• North Korea and World War 3 - The myth
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Anytime there's a thread about North Korea, we have a few people say "PREPARE FOR WORLD WAR 3" Here's why the Korean war resuming (it never ended) would never escalate to a world war, let alone nuclear. First, a history. Korea was annexed and colonized by japan in the 30's. the Koreans were at a massive disadvantage due to japans technological and economic superiority. During this time, WW2 happened. Japan ALSO invaded China, where the US sanctioned Japan, which led to pearl harbor, which led to ww2. All throughout world war 2 and the colonization of Korea/china, a young Bolshevik backed socialist revolutionary named [B]Kim Il-Sung[/B] fought Japanese colonists in the north, Kim Il-sung became a huge celebrity in Korea and had gained quite a following by the time ww2 ended Ww2 ended and the country was split, much like Germany. Russia got to the north first, the US got to the South first, they erected a wall and threatened each other not to go over. at some point in 1950, someone shot first. it's not clear, but it set off the chain reaction that led to the North pushing the US military advisers and the South Koreans all the way to Busan (or Pusan, depending on your romanization. (also known as the Pusan perimeter)). Heavy casualties were lost By the time the north reached Busan, MacArthur had thrown in a single battalion of marines, which held the perimeter until he could deploy the rest of his troops in incheon, which was quite a lucky landing because incheon has notoriously hectic waters. the marines land, the UN security council gets involved, and 18 total countries are involved in Korea. The UN and south Korea successfully push north Korea up to the Chinese border. It was a huge debate whether or not Comintern (communist international, the congress of communist countries back then) would get involved. the 2 main players, china and Russia, were at total odds. China believed that communism should spread to the rest of the world while Russia had a philosophy called "perfect communism in one country" which basically meant that they wanted to keep their military actions to a minimum and only provide financial aid and military arms supply to countries with communist revolutions, but never to directly get involved with the fighting. Stalin was quoted to say "So let the Americans be our neighbors in the east". During all the controversy, nobody in Comintern really knew what would happen until the furthest UN push of North Korea to the Chinese border, in which china became fully involved. the rest was a constant battle for the next 3 years in which 200,000 civilians died (the highest percentage of any war ever) and many more hundreds of thousands of civilians were left homeless and in refugee camps both in the north and in Busan. this lasted until a ceasefire in 1953 which ended major military actions for the Korean war, however the Korean war is still technically going on, with a dmz with over a million troops on either side. Percentage and statistic wise (#of casualties and people left homeless, infrastructure destroyed, overall damage), the Korean is the most devastating war in human history. Ever since then, there have been several conflicts between North and South Korea and the US military. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_DMZ_Conflict_%281966-1969%29[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee#The_Blue_House_Raid[/url] - Assassination attempt by NK on SK president [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_%28AGER-2%29[/url] - NK Captures US spy ship [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EC-121_shootdown_incident[/url] - NK Shoots down spy plane, Nixon Administration does military drills in sea of japan as a show of military strength to NK [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Henderson_incident[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_murder_incident[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangoon_bombing[/url] - afterwords, china reprimanded NK and refused to communicate with them for a few months to show that they don't condone North Koreans actions. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858[/url] - NK Terrorist attack. 2 NK agents blow up plane. They both take cyanide, but one survived when Iraqi police take the cyanide laced cigarette from her. She says the bombing was to scare people from attending the 1988 Seoul Olympics. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yosu[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Yeonpyeong[/url] - [B]YEONPYEONG 1[/B] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Yeonpyeong[/url] - [B]YEONPYEONG 2[/B] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Daecheong[/url] - DRPK crosses officially recognized DMZ, however NK has labeled their own DMZ, including where their boat went. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking[/url] - Boat sunk by NK. NK and PRC deny that claim. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Yeonpyeong[/url] - [B]YEONPYEONG 3[/B], results in military drills. So as we can see, the Korean war has been continuing for quite some time. NK and SK constantly have battles, but is NK really mad at SK? You see, if you go back to the history of the war and even further back, The history of NK is that of domination and colonization. When NK finally became a sovereign state it was their crown jewel, to not be subject to another country's whim. North Korea has a sense of nationalism and a reverence for their leader as a god that matches that of the Nazi's. so can we say that the north has any grudge against the south? yes/no. While it's obvious that the north wants to have nothing to do with the south's politics, they have to feed a story of "WE WANT REUNIFICATION, AMERICA AND JAPAN ARE OPPRESSING POOR SOUTH KOREA :(" to their citizens. When it all comes down to it, the loyalty of their citizens and the belief that Kim jong-il and kim il sung are gods, is their greatest defense, aside from china, from invading forces. They tell their people that they wish to reunify Korea, and the people believe they should fight to the death to do it. Now, their outward appearance towards the south Koreans just proves that all they say about reunification is bullshit, but it means that North Korea could never let their own citizens know about the grudge they have against the ROK, and starting a nuclear war and destroying Seoul would not help their case. Plus, North Korea is the roughly the size of Mississippi. Using nuclear weapons would only destroy their own land as well as the land they wish to reclaim. North Korea has dug tunnels to Seoul. They've found quite a few of them, and they still believe there to be more. The north obviously has no intentions of destroying south Korea, only to invade and reconquer it, as part of that whole "reunification" crap they feed to the citizens. China has had some SERIOUS reforms. China no longer seeks domination by military force over other countries, but by economic force. They've switched from their Maoist "Change must come through the barrel of a gun" ideology and have switched to what seems to be one of the most capitalist countries on earth. Why does china have such an interest in North Korea? because north Korea is china's biggest business partner. They have plenty of natural resources. If north Korea were to fall, the refugees escaping to china would be an immense burden on china also. Ever since North Korea tested nuclear weapons in 2006, it's been bad business for china and they've tried to separate themselves politically while still remaining business partners. Now imagine, a country that's starting to look like it'd do just about anything it feels like, including kill its own citizens in concentration camps, without any thought of repercussion. Do you think china wants to be on their side when their greatest customer, the US, gets into a war with them? No, china is being quite discrete about it, so as not to look uncaring as to what happens to north Korea, but involved enough to make it look like they'd fuck with our economy if we did attack. Tl;Dr: 1. NK has too much nationalism in their blood to nuke Seoul 2. NK Knows if they nuked anyone, their small country would be destroyed easily 3. Military drills in response to north Korean military action are not uncommon, and they are done to scare north Korea 4. Not a single country would come to the aid of a country who's GDP is 10billion. 5. The relationship between north Korea and south Korea, the US and China is like a bad divorce, where NK is the bitchy wife who didn't get anything and likes using nukes to be able to occasionally have a few military skirmishes just to remind everybody that they're still there and not to screw with them. So stop saying that the Korean war resuming would go nuclear or that it would be ww3, because it wouldn't even last a year.
World War 3 with North Korea? Not a chance, I'm taking my bets there won't be one for many years. I am suspicious of the war in the Middle East, though.
[QUOTE=Desaster56;26920023]World War 3 with North Korea? Not a chance, I'm taking my bets there won't be one for many years. I am suspicious of the war in the Middle East, though.[/QUOTE] Oh god here we go...
I don't think WW III will happen for a long time and when it does it will be for resources.
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;26920031]Oh god here we go...[/QUOTE] That's what I was thinking when I saw this thread, not again..
[QUOTE=iWumbo;26920087]I don't think WW III will happen for a long time and when it does it will be for resources.[/QUOTE] I doubt globalism would ever let WW3 happen. If it did happen, it'd be over imaginary numbers called money.
Personally, I consider the Cold War to be WW3. A lot of wars with heavy casualties were basically proxy wars of two super powers. WW4, on the other hand, is probably going to be fought on the internet with all these Net Neutrality and WikiLeaks fiasco...
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[QUOTE=EliteGuy;26920100]That's what I was thinking when I saw this thread, not again..[/QUOTE] this isnt a ww3 prediction thread. this is about how NK would never be a 3rd world war
I've always been in the camp of 'if it happens', not 'it will'. NK pulls some really pushy stuff but I don't think they want to go to war. I could potentially see them doing it in a way that makes SK seem like the aggressors, but they know they wouldn't win.
Simple as this: North Korea isn't powerful enough, dated weaponry, weak hungry army. China wouldn't fuck up their entire economy for this. Russia simply wouldn't. Not enough money to waste.
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;26920103]I doubt globalism would ever let WW3 happen. If it did happen, it'd be over imaginary numbers called money.[/QUOTE] Or our dwindling oil supply.
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;26920255]Or our dwindling oil supply.[/QUOTE] most of our oil comes from canada. it's not dwindling, it's just really expensive. Plus we'll have electric cars that are efficient enough to be economic eventually.
A world war consists of a global conflict, if anything it's the Koreas mortar'ing each other.
[QUOTE=Detective P;26920150]I've always been in the camp of 'if it happens', not 'it will'. NK pulls some really pushy stuff but I don't think they want to go to war. I could potentially see them doing it in a way that makes SK seem like the aggressors, but they know they wouldn't win.[/QUOTE] It will happen. They're at the breaking point. Everybody is starving, the people they don't like are put in concentration camps, the people they do like are shoved into a city to smile for the cameras, China is liking them less and less, and the government wont destroy the damn they built that caused the famine just for their own image and fear of admitting they're wrong [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;26920299]A world war consists of a global conflict, if anything it's the Koreas mortar'ing each other.[/QUOTE] that's exactly what I'm saying. [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] Could anybody who's rating me boxes in the OP tell me why?
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;26920274]most of our oil comes from canada. it's not dwindling, it's just really expensive. Plus we'll have electric cars that are efficient enough to be economic eventually.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but no one wants to pay for electric cars right now, so it won't be advanced enough when we need them. We have tons of oil, but just the nasty shit that needs to heavily refined, increasing it's price, so countries will fight over cheap oil. Hell, we already are, what do you think Iraq was about.
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;26920845]Yeah, but no one wants to pay for electric cars right now, so it won't be advanced enough when we need them. We have tons of oil, but just the nasty shit that needs to heavily refined, increasing it's price, so countries will fight over cheap oil. Hell, we already are, what do you think Iraq was about.[/QUOTE] Not for our OWN country's oil, but for the oil for the specific companies that were tired of paying so much just because OPEC didn't like us.
[quote=Jiyoon;26919948]So stop saying that the Korean war resuming would go nuclear or that it would be ww3, because it wouldn't even last a year. [/quote] Yeah, a nuclear war doesnt last long once everyone is [sp]dead[/sp]
Good threads made by Jiyoon - The myth
[QUOTE=Super_Poo;26921188]Good threads made by Jiyoon - The myth[/QUOTE] did you read it?
Yea, it was bad.
[QUOTE=Super_Poo;26921256]Yea, it was bad.[/QUOTE] tell me how
i clicked agree by accident, dam scroll [editline]24th December 2010[/editline] so don't get your hopes up
[QUOTE=iWumbo;26920087]I don't think [b]WW III[/b] will happen for a long time and when it does it will be for [b]resources.[/b][/QUOTE] Nuclear war? Resource War? is this? [img]http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/15687/625333-1212697328_fallout_1_cover_1__super.jpg[/img]
With USSR gone, NK has no supporters. And with all the attention, the moment a nuke leaves NK's ground, NK will be gone.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;26921510]With USSR gone, NK has no supporters. And with all the attention, the moment a nuke leaves NK's ground, NK will be gone.[/QUOTE] Not gone but united with Worst Korea
Just here to clarify the fact that North Korea was actually the one with the better economy and such before this all happened. They were the richer side, while South Korea was impoverished. North Korea has lots of natural resources in their land, while the South hardly has any...
Myths?? In best Korea??? Nonsense!
China declared that they would not back North Korea in a war with the U.S. China is North Korea's balls, pretty much, and without China, North Korea's actions will result in one Korea. EDIT: North Korea backed down from their threat of Nuclear War when South Korea launched fighter jets the other day.
I'd like to see proof of your degree in political science or history before we continue the discussion.
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