• South Park: The Safe Space Song
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U[/media] Hit the nail right on the head.
Is that MovieBob?
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;48962869]Is that MovieBob?[/QUOTE] It is suppose to be Steven Seagal.
What social phenomena is this responding to? I've not seen anyone, even online, be this way. This feels like an alluding oversimplification.
[QUOTE=bitches;48963079]What social phenomena is this responding to? I've not seen anyone, even online, be this way. This feels like an alluding oversimplification.[/QUOTE] I would say it has something to do with the LGBT& SafeZone thing, but Cartman isn't gay... So... Maybe it's just about the Tumblr-style "I'm always being persecuted" mentality, although I really rarely see that outside the Internet.
[QUOTE=bitches;48963079]What social phenomena is this responding to? I've not seen anyone, even online, be this way. This feels like an alluding oversimplification.[/QUOTE] Clearly you haven't been on a university campus. Literally the first thing I saw after watching this episode was the Bristol University Feminist Society citing the safe space policy in an attempt to ban Milo Yiannopoulos from debating gender politics at their school as they did at Manchester University when he went to debate free speech. [url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/manchester-su-bans-second-guest-milo-yiannopoulos-free-speech-event-following-julie-bindel-outcry-1522939[/url] They literally have safe rooms with toys and pillows everywhere to protect those that are "at risk of being triggered".
[QUOTE=bitches;48963079]What social phenomena is this responding to? I've not seen anyone, even online, be this way. This feels like an alluding oversimplification.[/QUOTE] It happens when people assume safe spaces = free from criticism/truth/reality.
I don't understand the context behind this at all.
What did Vin Diesel say that made him notable for this episode?
[QUOTE=bitches;48963079]What social phenomena is this responding to? I've not seen anyone, even online, be this way. This feels like an alluding oversimplification.[/QUOTE] Come on, you of all people should know what this is responding to.
Jesus christ, if you guys can't figure it out, just watch the episode. The episode is about taking cyberbullying too seriously.
[QUOTE=Venom Snake;48963123]Clearly you haven't been on a university campus. Literally the first thing I saw after watching this episode was the Bristol University Feminist Society citing the safe space policy in an attempt to ban Milo Yiannopoulos from debating gender politics at their school as they did at Manchester University when he went to debate free speech. [URL]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/manchester-su-bans-second-guest-milo-yiannopoulos-free-speech-event-following-julie-bindel-outcry-1522939[/URL] They literally have safe rooms with toys and pillows everywhere to protect those that are "at risk of being triggered".[/QUOTE] My English professor said he sees this sort of thing a lot. The University's apparently putting less of an emphasis on being a space for free speech and exchange of ideas, and more of a controlling, comforting, "don't touch the porcelain dolls because they will shatter" entity. It doesn't want to offend people, or introduce them to difficult ideas or concepts. I can't say I've seen that, but I have seen some other worrying changes. Most of my classes are dead silent, and most students in the lecture halls are busy staring at their phones instead of paying attention. There's no communication between students at all, there's no class discussion, there aren't any open opinions about anything. Everyone's absorbed in their own small worlds, the biggest groups of people I ever see hanging out can be counted on a single hand. It's not at all what I imagined college to be, if I'm honest. I thought I'd have some long-term friends by now, but I keep in touch with more people from high school than I've even met in college. I've got the newspaper staff, and maybe two or three people I met in a journalism class, and that's about it.
When I went to college about 6 years ago to put a bunch of credits towards a bachelor, all of my philosophy classes and psychology classes had lots of content that left people in the class offended, and created conversations that offended them and made many of them confront uncomfortable ideas. I think those people largely became better by having to be uncomfortable. I remember having many discussions and arguments in many of those classes that changed my mind, or other peoples minds. My short time at college would literally not be memorable if it wasn't for those classes, and those discussions because they really brought open discussion into it. If you're not getting that in whatever school you're in, that's not good. That's education. That's how learning works. People engaged from different view points sharing perspectives leading to a more complete view in most cases with a teacher ultimately guiding that discussion based on the material they've already taught the class. Those were ultimately some amazing memories and really a great place for me to have gotten out of my shell and learned to speak up and ask whatever questions I wanted or needed to because really, no one else will. That's a shame woolio.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48963234]If you're not getting that in whatever school you're in, that's not good. That's education. That's how learning works. People engaged from different view points sharing perspectives leading to a more complete view in most cases with a teacher ultimately guiding that discussion based on the material they've already taught the class. [/QUOTE] Having discussions with people you disagree with is important but yet here we are. [QUOTE][video=youtube;GO_X4DkwA_Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_X4DkwA_Q[/video][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4NrBIQ5.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Luckily my school doesn't have insanity this bad.
[QUOTE=woolio1;48963112]I would say it has something to do with the LGBT& SafeZone thing, but Cartman isn't gay... So... Maybe it's just about the Tumblr-style "I'm always being persecuted" mentality, although I really rarely see that outside the Internet.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Venom Snake;48963123]Clearly you haven't been on a university campus. Literally the first thing I saw after watching this episode was the Bristol University Feminist Society citing the safe space policy in an attempt to ban Milo Yiannopoulos from debating gender politics at their school as they did at Manchester University when he went to debate free speech. [url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/manchester-su-bans-second-guest-milo-yiannopoulos-free-speech-event-following-julie-bindel-outcry-1522939[/url] They literally have safe rooms with toys and pillows everywhere to protect those that are "at risk of being triggered".[/QUOTE] At my university, LGBT "safe zones" are professors' offices who have put up a sticker saying so on their doors, and mean nothing but to let LGBT students in their classes feel at ease in that they won't be discriminated against if they came to ask a question (a legitimate concern, especially here). My university was recently painted as "tumblr snowflake" on major news outlets in a smear campaign meant to purposefully misconstrue statements for a provocative news story and republican party vote-pandering. So, I take all of this with a lot of skepticism. Maybe things are truly crazy in other places, but it is wise to question how much is real and how much is drama.
[QUOTE=bitches;48963391]At my university, LGBT "safe zones" are professors' offices who have put up a sticker saying so on their doors, and mean nothing but to let LGBT students in their classes feel at ease in that they won't be discriminated against if they came to ask a question (a legitimate concern, especially here).[/QUOTE] Yeah, same with my college. I don't understand why having that area is suddenly super horrible
[QUOTE=bitches;48963391]At my university, LGBT "safe zones" are professors' offices who have put up a sticker saying so on their doors, and mean nothing but to let LGBT students in their classes feel at ease in that they won't be discriminated against if they came to ask a question (a legitimate concern, especially here). My university was recently painted as "tumblr snowflake" on major news outlets in a smear campaign meant to purposefully misconstrue statements for a provocative news story and republican party vote-pandering. So, I take all of this with a lot of skepticism. Maybe things are truly crazy in other places, but it is wise to question how much is real and how much is drama.[/QUOTE] In my opinion, it's people taking a really good idea and making it meaningless. Physical safe spaces, like those offices, are completely necessary, if only as a show of support. We know kids are bullied, and we know some of those kids are bullied because they're LGBT or perceived to be. That's not what South Park is criticizing. They're criticizing the "stretching" of the term, the conflation of real physical or mental violence with online criticism.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48963579]Yeah, same with my college. I don't understand why having that area is suddenly super horrible[/QUOTE] People are obviously referring to when/if this happens in a classroom and stifles discussion
[QUOTE=bitches;48963391]At my university, LGBT "safe zones" are professors' offices who have put up a sticker saying so on their doors, and mean nothing but to let LGBT students in their classes feel at ease in that they won't be discriminated against if they came to ask a question (a legitimate concern, especially here). My university was recently painted as "tumblr snowflake" on major news outlets in a smear campaign meant to purposefully misconstrue statements for a provocative news story and republican party vote-pandering. So, I take all of this with a lot of skepticism. Maybe things are truly crazy in other places, but it is wise to question how much is real and how much is drama.[/QUOTE] The New York Times did a giant article on safe spaces. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html?_r=0[/url] [QUOTE]The room was equipped with cookies, coloring books, bubbles, Play-Doh, calming music, pillows, blankets and a video of frolicking puppies, as well as students and staff members trained to deal with trauma. Emma Hall, a junior, rape survivor and “sexual assault peer educator” who helped set up the room and worked in it during the debate, estimates that a couple of dozen people used it. At one point she went to the lecture hall — it was packed — but after a while, she had to return to the safe space. “I was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against my dearly and closely held beliefs,” Ms. Hall said.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48963579]Yeah, same with my college. I don't understand why having that area is suddenly super horrible[/QUOTE] Missing the point on what SP is making fun of here. Did you also know some college has like a fucking pre-school zone for 20+ year olds as a safe space? Its that shit. SP isnt against LGBT lol.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48963234]When I went to college about 6 years ago to put a bunch of credits towards a bachelor, all of my philosophy classes and psychology classes had lots of content that left people in the class offended, and created conversations that offended them and made many of them confront uncomfortable ideas. I think those people largely became better by having to be uncomfortable. I remember having many discussions and arguments in many of those classes that changed my mind, or other peoples minds. My short time at college would literally not be memorable if it wasn't for those classes, and those discussions because they really brought open discussion into it. If you're not getting that in whatever school you're in, that's not good. That's education. That's how learning works. People engaged from different view points sharing perspectives leading to a more complete view in most cases with a teacher ultimately guiding that discussion based on the material they've already taught the class. Those were ultimately some amazing memories and really a great place for me to have gotten out of my shell and learned to speak up and ask whatever questions I wanted or needed to because really, no one else will. That's a shame woolio.[/QUOTE] I had a very similar experience. My class on existentialism lost about half its students before the drop period ended just because we were talking about mortality and the meaning of life. It's really quite sad.
[QUOTE=Wii60;48963780]The New York Times did a giant article on safe spaces. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html?_r=0[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]“I was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against my dearly and closely held beliefs,” Ms. Hall said.[/quote] there is absolutely something wrong with someone if they have to retreat to safety because other people are expressing viewpoints that they disagree with, especially in college of all fucking places.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48963283]Having discussions with people you disagree with is important but yet here we are. [t]http://i.imgur.com/4NrBIQ5.png[/t] Luckily my school doesn't have insanity this bad.[/QUOTE] I have a feminism trigger, this lady triggers me pretty hard
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48963234]When I went to college about 6 years ago to put a bunch of credits towards a bachelor, all of my philosophy classes and psychology classes had lots of content that left people in the class offended, and created conversations that offended them and made many of them confront uncomfortable ideas. I think those people largely became better by having to be uncomfortable. I remember having many discussions and arguments in many of those classes that changed my mind, or other peoples minds. My short time at college would literally not be memorable if it wasn't for those classes, and those discussions because they really brought open discussion into it. If you're not getting that in whatever school you're in, that's not good. That's education. That's how learning works. People engaged from different view points sharing perspectives leading to a more complete view in most cases with a teacher ultimately guiding that discussion based on the material they've already taught the class. Those were ultimately some amazing memories and really a great place for me to have gotten out of my shell and learned to speak up and ask whatever questions I wanted or needed to because really, no one else will. That's a shame woolio.[/QUOTE] What I've basically come to realize is that this stuff won't happen on its own. Someone has to start it. So I've taken to starting it. Usually I can get a handful of people to participate in a class discussion, especially if the teacher plays into it as well. I think part of the problem is that most of our classes are lectures, and the labs are all labwork. Our classes aren't really built around discussion, and that's more of a cultural issue than anything. There's a real sense of "This is really only here for job training" in some classes, and it's really unsettling. [editline]23rd October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;48963780]The New York Times did a giant article on safe spaces. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html?_r=0[/url][/QUOTE] I think, in this case, it might be genuinely more helpful to connect those people with a counselor in the student mental health center (my university has one of those, and it's completely free, which I think is awesome) instead of setting up some sort of preschool-style playland for them. Bubbles cannot help you move past significant mental trauma. I understand the need for professors to designate their offices as "SafeZones" as the SafeZone program explains them, and I think that's a good idea. That "Safe Space" is just very, very strange, though. I have to wonder how people like that expect to function past University.
[QUOTE=woolio1;48963925] I understand the need for professors to designate their offices as "SafeZones" as the SafeZone program explains them, and I think that's a good idea. That "Safe Space" is just very, very strange, though. I have to wonder how people like that expect to function past University.[/QUOTE] Safe Space can easily go from "don't be an asshole" to "don't disagree with us".
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48963234]When I went to college about 6 years ago to put a bunch of credits towards a bachelor, all of my philosophy classes and psychology classes had lots of content that left people in the class offended, and created conversations that offended them and made many of them confront uncomfortable ideas. I think those people largely became better by having to be uncomfortable. I remember having many discussions and arguments in many of those classes that changed my mind, or other peoples minds. My short time at college would literally not be memorable if it wasn't for those classes, and those discussions because they really brought open discussion into it..[/QUOTE] The problem with those classes is the professor is always right regardless, I had one class where a professor had us argue the merits of a smart car vs a hummer and I kept pointing out its ridiculously expensive parts, its poor quality, its not all that small size relative to other similar cars, and its very poor crash survivability , he still insisted I was wrong because I wasn't looking at the merits of how eco friendly it was or how space saving it was even though it's not that much smaller than a fiat, and its made in Germany and imported. I had another teacher who did the same thing, he started great conversations but God help you if you picked at his actual arguments because he would just shut you down, even if he was full of crap, like when he tried to explain how engineering works to literally an entire class of engineers and was dead wrong, or one day he kept going on about how religion and science cannot coexist, I'm not really religious but his arguments were full of shit and he insisted he was right Don't get me wrong, professors in humanities do encourage debate and that's missing in a lot of courses, but they also are used to being the most correct person in the room too
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48963579]Yeah, same with my college. I don't understand why having that area is suddenly super horrible[/QUOTE] Woolio seems to be talking about a shift in mentality that if stifling discussion and debate, HumanAbyss is confirming that it hasn't always be that way and there actually was a shift. No one is criticising people being nice to each other. South Park is using 'Safe Zones' as a vehicle to tackle the situation surrounding them. I suppose there might be a bit of a slippery slope fallacy, but anecdotal evidence suggests not. Safe spaces are a cool concept, stifling discussion, debate and creativity aren't.
[QUOTE=Sableye;48964172]The problem with those classes is the professor is always right regardless, I had one class where a professor had us argue the merits of a smart car vs a hummer and I kept pointing out its ridiculously expensive parts, its poor quality, its not all that small size relative to other similar cars, and its very poor crash survivability , he still insisted I was wrong because I wasn't looking at the merits of how eco friendly it was or how space saving it was even though it's not that much smaller than a fiat, and its made in Germany and imported. I had another teacher who did the same thing, he started great conversations but God help you if you picked at his actual arguments because he would just shut you down, even if he was full of crap, like when he tried to explain how engineering works to literally an entire class of engineers and was dead wrong, or one day he kept going on about how religion and science cannot coexist, I'm not really religious but his arguments were full of shit and he insisted he was right Don't get me wrong, professors in humanities do encourage debate and that's missing in a lot of courses, but they also are used to being the most correct person in the room too[/QUOTE] Maybe it's my highly argumentative nature and my need to be right that let me argue my philosophy professor into agreement on a couple of subjects, but in my experience, I got lucky and had some very humble teachers which made for a good set of discussions. I can definitely see and appreciate how a bad teacher can throw it all to hell
this discussion offends me and goes against my clearly correct beliefs. [b]all[/b] of you cis white males don't understand what it's like to walk a mile in my oppressed shoes
[QUOTE=boobs;48966321]this discussion offends me and goes against my clearly correct beliefs. [b]all[/b] of you cis white males don't understand what it's like to walk a mile in my oppressed shoes[/QUOTE] Poor shoes, why are you oppressing them.
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