• 62p AN HOUR: That's what the women sleeping 16 to a room get paid...to make Ed and Harriet's £45 'Th
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[B]Brief[/B] [QUOTE]Feminist T-shirts worn by politicians are made in 'sweatshop' conditions - Migrant women in Mauritius are making the £45 tops for 62p an hour - They say: 'We don't feel like feminists. We don't feel equal. We feel trapped' - Machinists sleep 16 to a room and earn less than average wage on island - T-shirt is sold in Whistles in aid of activism group The Fawcett Society -Harriet Harman wore shirt on front bench of the Commons during PMQs [/QUOTE] [B]At this moment in time there are no comments to add here from the DM![/B] [B]Source[/B] [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2817191/62p-HOUR-s-women-sleeping-16-room-paid-make-Ed-Harriet-s-45-Feminist-Looks-Like-T-shirts.html"]The Graceful Dailymail[/URL] [B]Credits[/B] My #1 source for news, The Daily Mail
Most of the cloths sold in shops comes from places like this. Not very surprising
List of people who are surprised to hear this:
62p is minimum wage in Mauritius, probably what you would expect for unskilled work? (Not to say it's a good minimum wage or not, can't say that without knowing more about culture and conditions there, which I do not)
wtf people buy that? looks like something you can just take a sharpie to and call it a day like straight up when i first saw the shirt first thing i thought was "how the hell did they get it so thin"
[QUOTE=Complifused;46387176]Most of the cloths sold in shops comes from places like this. Not very surprising[/QUOTE] what bugs me is that clothing still needs to be made by hand, like wouldn't it be entirely possible to automate t-shirt production and even silk screening with computers [editline]1st November 2014[/editline] i mean just automating t-shirts, a staple of modern dress, and probably the most produced garment ever, would basically eliminate like half of those sweat shops [editline]1st November 2014[/editline] well looks like its the military to the rescue [url]http://www.wired.com/2012/06/darpa-sweatshop/[/url] darpa is already on it
[QUOTE=Sableye;46387319]would basically eliminate like half of those sweat shops [/QUOTE]That would leave all the workers with 0p/hour income
[QUOTE=Sableye;46387319]what bugs me is that clothing still needs to be made by hand, like wouldn't it be entirely possible to automate t-shirt production and even silk screening with computers [editline]1st November 2014[/editline] i mean just automating t-shirts, a staple of modern dress, and probably the most produced garment ever, would basically eliminate like half of those sweat shops [editline]1st November 2014[/editline] well looks like its the military to the rescue [url]http://www.wired.com/2012/06/darpa-sweatshop/[/url] darpa is already on it[/QUOTE] That's not exactly a good thing. It would put these women out of their jobs. Bad labour is better than no labour.
Forty-five pounds for a T-shirt. "Whyever do the public think we're out of touch?"
[QUOTE=awcmon;46387300]wtf people buy that? looks like something you can just take a sharpie to and call it a day like straight up when i first saw the shirt first thing i thought was "how the hell did they get it so thin"[/QUOTE] The point is most of the money goes to the charity. Which is kind of disgusting when you think about it.
Who would even pay 45 pounds for a crappy looking t-shirt like that?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46387389]Who would even pay 45 pounds for a crappy looking t-shirt like that?[/QUOTE] I would assume the t-shirt's just a bonus to donating to the cause behind it
That is a shit TON of money for a T-shirt. For 45 pounds each you could easily pay a living wage to an employee in a first-world country. I know it's just a markup for the cause but goddamn.
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;46387455]I would assume the t-shirt's just a bonus to donating to the cause behind it[/QUOTE] Well it's certainly not going to those who are in the sweatshop.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46387319]what bugs me is that clothing still needs to be made by hand, like wouldn't it be entirely possible to automate t-shirt production and even silk screening with computers [editline]1st November 2014[/editline] i mean just automating t-shirts, a staple of modern dress, and probably the most produced garment ever, would basically eliminate like half of those sweat shops [editline]1st November 2014[/editline] well looks like its the military to the rescue [url]http://www.wired.com/2012/06/darpa-sweatshop/[/url] darpa is already on it[/QUOTE] this is effectively the modern equivalent of slavery(or serfdom if you're feeling generous) tbh, in the old days you needed to spend a shitload of money to get a slave, you needed to feed it, you needed to house it, but now? they'll come to you, cause there is literally no alternative, and why would that be? oh wait, you got a system that is designed for making the rich, richer. you can automate the entire damn thing, it still won't matter, unless you make it cheaper, which will then displace workers or force them to work for EVEN less. [QUOTE=joost1120;46387359]That's not exactly a good thing. It would put these women out of their jobs. Bad labour is better than no labour.[/QUOTE] ever wondered WHY there is no alternative?
[QUOTE=Complifused;46387176]Most of the cloths sold in shops comes from places like this. Not very surprising[/QUOTE] Most cloths aren't trying to make a political statement.
[t]http://assets.elleuk.com/gallery/23464/joss-whedon-elle-feminism-t-shirt__large.jpg[/t] it is amazing how cringy the marketing for this shirt is too like how is Whedon a feminist (have Miliband or Clegg done anything to call themselves feminist?). He literally made speeches about being bullshit terms like "equalist" in support of not liking the word feminist anymore. He is just jumping on a marketing bandwagon. does not surprise me that these shirts are made this way (though you can argue most clothes makers do this), exploiting cheap labor and using the results to make a huge profit off of lip service to a political movement
at LEAST give it a good font or something
i could make these shirts for any facepuncher who wants them. i'll only charge whatever it takes to pay myself a $20 minimum wage so that you guys feel secure in your purchase. naw but i am thinking of making myself some with some fair trade shirts. it really is not a tough design
You see, the Daily Mail complains about this now but where were they when Thatcher was shutting down all the shirt mines
[QUOTE=joost1120;46387359]That's not exactly a good thing. It would put these women out of their jobs. Bad labour is better than no labour.[/QUOTE] I usually don't care about ratings, but the 5 of you should explain why no labour is better than bad labour. I've been to Vietnam and know some people that work at sweat shops, they got payed pennies an hour for hard work, but those pennies were enough to pay their bills. Of course for all their other expenses they would just steal the clothes they made and sell them, that's why everyone in Son My wears brand new Abercrombie & Fitch clothes. Seriously, got a whole new closet full of clothes for like 400k
[QUOTE=joost1120;46387359]That's not exactly a good thing. It would put these women out of their jobs. Bad labour is better than no labour.[/QUOTE] Slave labor is better than no labor. I mean if they weren't slaves they'd be homeless and living on their own and have no way to live.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];46388849']Slave labor is better than no labor. I mean if they weren't slaves they'd be homeless and living on their own and have no way to live.[/QUOTE] Those aren't equal, and it doesn't address the fact that people without jobs now have (shit) paying jobs. It isn't ideal, but it's something, everything needs to start somewhere. I've worked for shit paying jobs too, and they helped me pay my bills and save for college.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];46388849']Slave labor is better than no labor. I mean if they weren't slaves they'd be homeless and living on their own and have no way to live.[/QUOTE] Can we nominate this as post of the year 2014
[QUOTE=person11;46388900]Can we nominate this as post of the year 2014[/QUOTE] No reason to be rude about it, maybe he went through a really bad time with this kind of thing like I did and needs to be calmly and rationally told why he is wrong so that he can educate himself.
This is what a rich westerner looks like.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;46388918]No reason to be rude about it, maybe he went through a really bad time with this kind of thing like I did and needs to be calmly and rationally told why he is wrong so that he can educate himself.[/QUOTE] I doubt he understands the concept of differing opinions and views... [quote] made speeches about being bullshit terms like "equalist" in support of not liking the word feminist anymore[/quote] [editline]2nd November 2014[/editline] The way to true equality is not through ignorance to those you think unequal to yours.
I love my feminist-to-skeleton word filter so much. Makes internet arguments really funny
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;46389130]I love my feminist-to-skeleton word filter so much. Makes internet arguments really funny[/QUOTE] i would rather have a "this is what a skeleton looks like" shirt tbh
[QUOTE=person11;46388153][t]http://assets.elleuk.com/gallery/23464/joss-whedon-elle-feminism-t-shirt__large.jpg[/t] it is amazing how cringy the marketing for this shirt is too like how is Whedon a feminist (have Miliband or Clegg done anything to call themselves feminist?). He literally made speeches about being bullshit terms like "equalist" in support of not liking the word feminist anymore. He is just jumping on a marketing bandwagon. does not surprise me that these shirts are made this way (though you can argue most clothes makers do this), exploiting cheap labor and using the results to make a huge profit off of lip service to a political movement[/QUOTE] pretty sure supporting an effort to do with a good cause despite being a bit unhappy with the terminology of said cause is more noble than not supporting the effort in order to spite the terminology [editline]2nd November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;46388918]No reason to be rude about it, maybe he went through a really bad time with this kind of thing like I did and needs to be calmly and rationally told why he is wrong so that he can educate himself.[/QUOTE] This is really my only issue with some bits of the feminist (and some bits of many social activism movements); people using anger as a tool to get people to understand the movement and concepts of the movement instead of calmly and kindly explaining it. It's a pretty big struggle for a guy to come to terms with feminism when it challenges all the hypermasculinity bullshit that we get drilled into us from birth, because unfortunately that hypermasculinity bullshit is what most men pin their self-worth to. So it becomes an internal struggle of challenging and rethinking your self worth and finding more women's rights-friendly ways of thinking about masculinity, and it's very easy when you're in that emotionally vulnerable state to say 'fuck it, I'm being told I'm a piece of shit, I'm gonna go and be a Mens Right's Activist and actively oppose feminism'. [URL="http://thesuperbacon.tumblr.com/post/101071372457/on-anger-in-activism"]I write things about it sometimes and I promise [/URL][URL="http://thesuperbacon.tumblr.com/post/101071372457/on-anger-in-activism"]one day I'll stop linking to it but today is not that day[/URL]
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