Hello, well I created this thread just to debate which car company is the best engine producer.
Let's hear opinions, discuss tastes, and most of all respect the differences between our points of views.
German, American, japonese, Italian... Which one of them have the best "car hearts" ?
Who's the most reliable ? Who's the most heartbreaking ? Who's got the best engineering ?
Of course, there are different segments of cars, so discuss fairly.
I want this:
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in my Beetle
hondas are pretty crazy, those silly people making upwards of 800hp on a tiny little 1.6, what is this shit?
I think I'll be considering a honda swap for my ae86 later down the road, but only considering.
I swear by the 3800 engine.
[QUOTE=WolvesSoulZ;35514886]I swear by the 3800 engine.[/QUOTE]
Coolant leaks, head gasket leaks, hard places to replace gaskets in...
Great engine.
Don't get me wrong, I have a special place in my heart for the 3800 and the 3100, two GREAT sounding engines, but they underperform and are terrible at holding up to abuse. They're really a garbage platform.
2jz-gte
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sorry
[QUOTE=bradley;35515038]Coolant leaks, head gasket leaks, hard places to replace gaskets in...
Great engine.
Don't get me wrong, I have a special place in my heart for the 3800 and the 3100, two GREAT sounding engines, but they underperform and are terrible at holding up to abuse. They're really a garbage platform.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to blame you on that or anything, but I don't know where you heard sit about the 3800, maybe you had misfortune with it, but I've never really had anyone have their engine shit on them in the club, nor stuff like that. The 3800 is a great platform, tons of mod available, easily doable, very reliable. The 3100 isn't even comparable to the 3800 in term of reliability.
But those are my experience and those of fellows, and opinions so. Doesn't want to start a debate of argumentation and stuff.
[QUOTE=WolvesSoulZ;35518007]I don't know where you heard sit about the 3800[/QUOTE]
I own an auto shop.
454
427
429
440
318
351
I aint even lablin em
>you mean 429cj
>picks 318 over 340/360
>no 426 max wedge or hemi
>no 409
>no 327
Do you even know what a V8 engine is concur jeez
Chevy 350 alldayerrday
13b
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/opinionjustlikeeveryoneelsehere
Just some winners off the top of me head..
Ford 240/300 I6. I've got one with 300K on the clock and there's still crosshatching in the cylinders. I forsee 400K before it [i]needs[/i] an overhaul so itt'l pass emissions, and probably closer to 500K before it's too worn out to run. Ford put these engines in quite literally anything and everything. Didn't matter. Airtug, dump truck, school bus, UPS van, pickup, station wagon, commuter car, base model pony car(Cars only got the 240 since it was a good three inches shorter), it didn't matter. You could get it with a 300. Fuel economy was also pretty good, one in good shape in an F150 with a manual and 3.08 gears could be expected to get about 17 city and 22 highway. Production ceased in 1996, with the last vehicles sold using them branded as a 1997.
Chev 250/292 I6, AMC 4.0 I6 and Mopar 223 Slant Six: Just as tough as the Ford above, but I don't own any.
Chevy SB: Pick a displacement, pick a car, do burnouts. I REALLY fucking hate it when people put these in Fords, though, reason being...
Ford SB: Every bit as good as the Chevy motor, but intended for use in Ford products instead.
Mopar SB: 318 family are tough motors. Just don't turbo them on stock internals.
Chevy BB: SS572. SS502. SS454. 'Nuff said.
Ford BB: The 460 has powered everything from dump trucks to passenger cars, and never once has it garnered a reputation for unreliability or gutlessness. Damn good engine. Even beat out the diesel engine in Ford pickups for a time as far as torque output went, and still beat them in reliability even after the diesels got turbos. Discontinued because lol8city12highway.
Mopar BB: The 440 and 426 are fucking legends in racing. The 426 Hemi got big blocks as a whole banned from NASCAR and changed pro level drag racing forever. They aren't quite as legendary in towing/hauling/heavy duty use, but there's hundreds of thousands of 440s thanklessly pulling Winnebagos up windy mountain roads even to this day.
Any Honda engine ever made: Gutless as fucking hell from the factory, but their reliability is legendary. As long as you keep the maintenance up and change the timing belt on time you will NEVER have a problem with these things. Many people resort to attaching enormous turbos to them in an effort to remove the gutless part, and for the most part it works.
Chev Iron Duke I4: Even more gutless than the Honda fourpots it competed against, thanks to being an 8v OHV I4, but it was every bit as reliable. Perhaps even moreso. Made from lopping two jugs off a 250 I6, seems to have remembered it's heritage nicely.
Chev 4.3 V6: Take one 350, saw back two cylinders off, put in ALL the things. Done. This engine came about in the mid 80s, yet you can still buy one if you buy a base model Silverado W/T. Absolute legend of an engine.
Chev 3800: Smaller, scratch-built V6 Chev put in FWD applications since the 4.3 was too fucking big for that. Another legend of reliablity, and can make some decent power too.
Ford 2300 I4: Bit gutless when naturally aspirated, but hard to destroy. Loves turbos, and is found usually in Thunderbirds and Mustangs. SVO Mustangs would often be able to harass GTs on the straights, then thanks to the lack of nose weight, run away from them in the corners. No big surprise why they stopped offering this thing in the Mustang...
Mazda wankels: Unreliable, thirsty, horrible on emissions, not very long lived, and they made next to no torque. But they sound sooooooooooo fucking awesome, they take to boost like a fish takes to water, and they make good horsepower if you get the RPMs up. Oh, and they rev like mad. You want an engine for a lightweight track car? Here ya go, have fun.
Cummins diesel as found in Dodge Rams: Probably the only 'good' part left in the Dodge Ram these days. Only way you can get a MT in one is with this engine. Reliability wise it ranks up there with the SBCs, makes enough torque to jump start a small moon, and yet they'll get 20-22MPG on the highway while mounted in a 7,000 pound brick house on wheels. Goddamn good engine here. They also absolutely looooooooooooooooove boost, being designed from the outset as a turbodiesel and all. Thousand horsepower, two thousand foot pound modified engines are not unheard of.
[QUOTE=bradley;35518370]
>picks 318 over 340/360[/quote]
Same engine, just different bore and stroke.
[quote]>no 426 max wedge or hemi[/quote] Destroked 440 with different heads. The HEMI had some other mods but it was still strongly based on a 440.
[quote]>no 327[/quote] Should read "No SBC". Because they're all the same engine, just different bore and stroke.
[QUOTE=bradley;35518162]I own an auto shop.[/QUOTE]
Of course you see all the ones with problems. Think about how many 3800s have been produced over the years. Figure you're seeing maybe half a percent of 'em in your shop.
They're damn good engines. One of the best V6s to ever grace public highways. If I was swapping a V6 into something that required a transverse mount engine, DeLorean DMC12 for example, a 3800 Series II would be my first choice.
Man, you guys can't take a fucking joke for shit. I was messing with conker.
As far as the 3800, I stand by my opinion.
But you guys need to lighten the fuck up.
No offense, but it wasn't funny. At all. If it was even slightly funny it might be recognized as a joke, but instead it merely looked like you were ragging on him over V8s.
[QUOTE=TestECull;35519157]No offense, but it wasn't funny. At all. If it was even slightly funny it might be recognized as a joke, but instead it merely looked like you were ragging on him over V8s.[/QUOTE]
Yeah well that's joking between me and Conk. [i]Deal with it.[/i] We bash each others' shit all the time. Because he's a [del]pontifag[/del] [del]jeepfag[/del] [del]jerseyfag[/del] silly person.
It's common sense that basically every SBC, SBD, etc. is the same block with a slightly different setup (longer/shorter stroke crankshaft, bore diameter change, etc.), anyone in an engines thread should [i]know[/i] this.
Well I GUEEEEEESSSSSSSS I'll post here
AMC I6 4.0 yo
V8
1uz. So smooth u can have solid mounts and u can't tell
Lsx a stock bottom end that can support 1000+hp. Easy to fix ( waterpumps) and loves to rev
V6
Eh not a 6 guy. Penastar 3.6 seems nice.
I6 2jz
4cyc
I4 2/3rz square bore than never really need work and can support 3x the hp with boost 2rz can.
H4 2.5 boxer.
[QUOTE=bradley;35519096]As far as the 3800, I stand by my opinion.[/QUOTE]
And I stand by mine, you owning a auto shop ain't going to change much to it.
I could go around and say "Hey that airsoft is pure crap" and then one goes and says "It works wonder and never let me or anyone I know down!" and then I could go "I work in the business for years and fixed lots of them over the years."
It's opinion and bad apples. Think that the 3800 is the most produced V6 by GM and that sure it can have problem, there's the Serie I, II, III. II and above are godlike, try to make one die now. I dare you. I double dare you!
I said no debates but blam.
[QUOTE=bradley;35519235]Yeah well that's joking between me and Conk. [i]Deal with it.[/i] [/quote] We'll do that when you come to grips with the fact that we can't tell if it's joking or not at first glance.
[quote]It's common sense that basically every SBC, SBD, etc. is the same block with a slightly different setup (longer/shorter stroke crankshaft, bore diameter change, etc.), anyone in an engines thread should [i]know[/i] this.[/QUOTE] You'd be surprised. There's people who would, after looking at my I6 and hearing that it has six cylinders, ask me "So you've got a V6 in your truck eh?". People like that are liable to wander in here too.
How do you think me and my rx Friends think when people go around talking about apex seals? Same diff, even if they are joking about it. Guess it kinda goes for anything people talk shit about without fully understanding, but still.
shut the fuck up
Rover V8. Just because it was used in so many classic British sports cars.
2-strokes
That's all.
4AGE all day every day.
subaru>all
1990hp bitchezzzz
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[editline]11th April 2012[/editline]
DID I MAKE THE JOKE OBVIOUS ENOUGH I DONT WANT TO HURT YOUR FEELINGS I KNOW HOW MUCH THIS FORUM MEANS TO YOU
gotta give mitsubishi some props too i bet this thing rapes the track with 3000+ combined hp
pigfat american cant keep up no way
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[QUOTE=edberg;35529099]gotta give mitsubishi some props too i bet this thing rapes the track with 3000+ combined hp
pigfat american cant keep up no way
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Get your jap import scrap out of here, americas got fucken spce shuttle 37,000hp boiiii
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