• Punk Thread v2 (No Pop Allowed NO FUN ALLOWED)
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/3djhPkx.jpg[/img] A brief history of punk by vedicardi [b]1930-1963: "GARAGE ROCK"[/b] punk, like every other derivative of rock music, can be sourced back to RnB greats like Fats Domino and Chuck Berry, and further to blues musicians of the 30s. For the sake of time, I'll skip that portion of history and go about ten years forward, from 1951 to 1961. It was this year speed and distortion began making an emergence in rock music, primarily from the staccato picking styles of surf greats like Dick Dale and the Ventures. Two years later the raw energy of the Kingsmen would introduce the final element that to this day defines punk: raw power. It was their single "Louie Louie," which was pressed despite featuring various mistakes in the recording and literally unintelligible lyrics (there was a court case in which it was judged that not a single lyric other than the chorus was understandable). It was also around this time that other "garage rock" bands started springing up in a similar vain, such as Minnesota's "Trashman" who recorded the famous and incredibly fast "Surfin' Bird." [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8CnurLcxRY[/media] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/iSp5WnO.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Wyl06WI.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0QIxwHw.jpg[/IMG] [I]the trashmen, the kingsmen, dick dale[/I] [b]1964-1965: "GARAGE ROCK PT 2"[/b] in 1964 the Kinks released their debut album and single "You Really Got Me," (which was written while the Kinks were trying to figure out how to play Louie Louie) quickly followed by "All Day and All of the Night," and in 1964 the Yardbirds (which featured Eric Claptop, Jeff Beck, and Jimmy Page (not all at once)) released their first 4 singles and first record. The Kinks brought more intensity in the same vein as the Kingsmen, putting knifes in their amps to get additional distortion (and were notorious for their rowdy shows in the early days), while the Yardbirds played even faster than their any of their predecessors, taking riffs straight from the 30s and playing them with a half time beat. These two bands paved the archetype for all bands to follow, and are often cited as the most influential among bands to follow, with each band that took things a step further almost ritualistically covering a song by one of these two bands. Even bands that went less towards the punk angle such as the Who ripped off these bands shamelessly. It's also notable that a great deal of the musicians in these bands were around 16 years old or even younger when they were signed. The lead singer of the Zakary Thaks (who we will look at in a moment) had a 14 year old vocalist at the time they were signed. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1QUFKDqlm4[/media] [img]http://i.imgur.com/wXpdm1W.jpg[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/QkIWLSz.jpg[/img] [i]the kinks, the yardbirds[/i] [b]1966-1972: "PROTO-PUNK"[/b] in 1966, things started to really get rowdy. the MC5 formed in detroit, and bands like the Zakary Thaks, the Shadows of Knight, and Seeds started playing even faster and even louder. "fuzz" distortion allowed distortion to multiply endlessly, creating massive walls of guitar sound like nothing before. On the other side of things, bands like Blue Cheer were using this same distortion to create a heavier psych rock sound like nothing heard before. These bands, which would later be defined as "proto-punk" had no label, but were tied together purely by the fact that they were incredibly raw and incredibly loud. It was around 1968 that a band called The Stooges took all of these bands and morphed them into one beast. Fronted by the psychotic Iggy Pop and backed by massive MC5 influenced sounds, these bands continued to break every wall. The MC5 began taking influence from avant-garde jazz artists like Sun Ra, while the Stooges listened to Krautrock like Can and later NEU!, who played the same two chords for twenty minutes. Around the end of this era, the early garage rockers were forced into making more commercially viable music, and quickly faded into obscurity, broke up, or became well known for writing tunes in the style opposite of which they began with, with the exception of some surfer bands. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM6nasmkg7A[/media] [img]http://i.imgur.com/WoUatvr.jpg[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/o2cW7rs.jpg[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/jaSqYjZ.jpg[/img] [i]mc5, zakary thaks, stooges[/i] [b]1973-1975: "PROTO-PUNK PT 2"[/b] during this relatively short period of time, bands which would be the exact prototype for the coming massive wave of punk emerged in small numbers. most notably, the new york dolls. This band copied a few elements of the rolling stones, the stooges, and so on, but are most notable today for their fashion and their music. all members of the band dressed in an extremely androgynous way ala David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust, and their music, all written in the key of C, was very simple, and very straight-forward, while managing to not sound EXACTLY like Chuck Berry (though returning to his rhythm). lead guitar player johnny thunder is notable for his guitar style, which was copied by nearly all bands to come in the "first wave" as well as his heroin addiction. While krautrock went beyond avant-garde into jam band territory, and the MC5 were dropped from their record label after being forced to make records they didn't want to make, this band paved the way for what was to come. other notable events from this time period include the initial formation of the RAMONES and the new york punk scene, Television's debut album, Radio Birdman's debut in Australia, and the popularization of the word "punk" (though it was used sporadically to describe a very large group of unconnected musicians). It took a full year for any of these bands to debut, but essentially all of the bands to be mentioned in the next section formed in 1975. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctg5FCS1wCM[/media] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ensUGgj.jpg[/IMG][img]http://i.imgur.com/0REwb69.jpg[/img] [i]the new york dolls, johnny thunders (of the new york dolls, later the Heartbreakers)[/i] [b]1976-1978: "PUNK"[/b] It was in 1976 that the RAMONES released their debut album/single, and in the UK the Sex Pistols released a series of singles and their first album. The Sex Pistols was a massive phenomena in the UK, with their singles flying to the top of the chart, despite the band getting dropped from label after label due to their antics (from trashing offices to cursing on live television). In the US, the RAMONES debuted on the Sire records to rave revues, being picked up by music fans, but not getting the same level of publicity as their UK counterparts (though they were actually very successful in the UK). These two bands spearheaded their corresponding punk movements. A great deal of bands emerged in their wake. Among these bands include: the Clash, the Damned, the Dead Boys, the Dictators, the Vibrators, the Suicide Commandos, the Saints (who released their first single before the RAMONES, Sex Pistols, etc, etc) in Australia, the Slits, the Buzzcocks, etc. These bands played faster and louder than any band before, and with song structures much more comparable to the New York Dolls as opposed to the 10 minute long jams of the Stooges, etc. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN4cFjOhjnY[/media] [img]http://i.imgur.com/JpbPIri.jpg[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/zbCeo53.jpg[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/M3aDH2a.png[/img] [i]dead boys, damned, ramones[/i] [b]1979-1986: "HARDCORE"[/b] By 1979, the Pistols had broken up and fashionites had began taking over most punk music scenes as the genre garnered more and more press. Being a "punk" meant dyeing your hair, shaving your head, or doing anything else that would make you look insane, and thusly was seen as a threat to society. This became a massive problem as the genre grew in the coming years as police rained down on shows. Already in 1979 a band called "Crass" had began claiming "Punk is Dead" and things were looking bleak. If they got worse is not something I can say objectively, but they certainly changed. As early as 1977 the bands of the next generation were forming and playing even faster than ever, primarily in the US. Black Flag and the Bad Brains are the two most notable bands from both coasts of the US, Black Flag in LA and Bad Brains in DC. The Bad Brains, compromised of four to-be-rastafarian black musicians released "Pay to Cum" in 1980, and revolutionized the way punk was seen. Frontman HR's stage antics, ranging from doing flips on stage to essentially creating stage diving were like nothing before, while in LA the fanbase of Black Flag became more and more violent to the point where there would be riots and every other show. These bands are all notable in that unlike their predecessors, none of them ever got onto a major label, as their lyrics were much more up front and aggressive than anything before, as well as their music. Though some bands like the Suicide Commandos had released their own singles independently in the 70s, and some garage bands doing the same in the 60s, almost the entire Hardcore movement was based on labels started by musicians and fans of the music. In the same, many of the musicians in hardcore bands were extremely young and not anywhere near as practiced as their punk counterparts (with the exception of FEAR and Bad Brains, among others), learning as they went. The term hardcore itself was first published officially by canadian band DOA as the title of their debut album "hardcore 81." If there's anything to take from all of this, it's the riotous attitude, speed, and aggression displayed here by the Bad Brains. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ze1iguy-Q[/media] [img]http://i.imgur.com/VRNxcx1.jpg[/img] Thanks for reading. This is obviously a very brief synopsis but a lot of people miss out on the early influences, that's what I wanted to hit primarily. THREAD RULES: NO POP PUNK, NO EXCEPTIONS
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JUFdQ2p6Gg[/media] Yeaaaaaah
let's get angry [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuwK08ts54M[/media]
Stiff Little Fingers- Alternative Ulster [video=youtube;qLo7z50Tt2g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo7z50Tt2g[/video] ^ Obvious, but amazing. Penetration- Don't Dictate [video=youtube;iJ1vBb3GKXc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ1vBb3GKXc[/video] Don't mind the shitty video, best quality sound I could find imo.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6GDdKrQ8EI[/media] Thread is lacking in Sex Pistols
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[editline]awd[/editline] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVwBI4gX5T0]Or not, hahaha.[/url]
gotta take the s out of HTTPS ya boyszzz
check out these weirdos [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgfzNDGcJE8[/media]
Cro-mags before they went crossover-thrash Malfunction Demo-version [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdNVczeaWo[/media] Something rather not well-known [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeeWGCtBjUk[/media] and this is for the memory of vedi [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KTsXHXMkJA[/media] :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
I APPRECIATE YOU SWAMPY!!!
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this is exactly the shit vedi doesn't want in here but i don't even care you guys HAVE to fucking hear this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFxfiD5sgzc[/media] you guys'll get a kick out of this i swear
Fuck yeah rancid [video=youtube;-BWBrcF7sWQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BWBrcF7sWQ[/video]
i picked up a 12" comp from the 90s at a record store the other day with a bunch of really cool songs on it like this one [video=youtube;Cdo3oq-dhNQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdo3oq-dhNQ[/video]
[QUOTE=Abufikatoo;39754382]this is exactly the shit vedi doesn't want in here but i don't even care you guys HAVE to fucking hear this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFxfiD5sgzc[/media] you guys'll get a kick out of this i swear[/QUOTE] song name makes up for anything bad they could possibly do
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_SQdiohHA[/media] Reppin ya boy Jubert
What about post-hardcore, is that ok? I'm going to go with yes so [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8msW0E7obis[/media]
[QUOTE=Mr. Bleak;39801707]What about post-hardcore, is that ok? I'm going to go with yes so [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8msW0E7obis[/media][/QUOTE] yes yes yes [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1I_H_mU-Uw[/media] love these guys
ok vedi man you can't go and box my actual boys in misled youth there im sorry [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJCKwqyR7KY[/media] basic
who gives a shit about mislead youth wtf [editline]5th March 2013[/editline] rites of spring isn't post hardcore jesus christ you guys are awful [editline]5th March 2013[/editline] here's some real shit [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA9WCXIBH-Q[/media]
they're a local band in DC so not many people not that, i'd hopefully assume, that factors into a band's credibility within the underground-driven world of punk
does sublime belong here
absolutely not [editline]6th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Abufikatoo;39806078]they're a local band in DC so not many people not that, i'd hopefully assume, that factors into a band's credibility within the underground-driven world of punk[/QUOTE] octo won't shut up about them
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39820612]octo won't shut up about them[/QUOTE] it's a scientific fact that if you don't listen to misled youth you devolve into a whiny straightedge kid and get beaten up by mark jubert [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb8Zm9vYzac[/media] this is cool, basically bitter river-era pygmy lush without the folk songs.
p good but they were better in pg99
that goes without saying though really city of caterpillar obv too
are you guys talking about emo bands or something wtf
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