Clinton gives her take on Sanders supporters in leaked fundraising recording - Polidicks

[img_thumb]http://static2.politico.com/dims4/default/402ff4f/2147483647/resize/1160x>/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F28%2F0b%2Fb1bdb3ff404386586d42aa1b6f73%2F06-hillary-clinton-12-ap-1160.jpg[/img_thumb] [QUOTE=Politico]Hacked audio of a conversation between Hillary Clinton and donors during a February fundraising event shows the Democrat nominee describing Bernie Sanders supporters as "children of the Great Recession" who are "living in their parents’ basement."[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-supporters-audio-leak-228997"]Article Source[/URL] [URL="http://theintercept.com/2016/09/30/hillary-clinton-center-right/"]Source with leaked Audio Clips[/URL] [editline]/[/editline] Mod edit: here is the full quote, since BILLYMAYS, in characteristic fashion, chose to massively sensationalize this: [quote]"Some are new to politics completely. They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement," she said. "They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future." Clinton added: "If you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing."[/quote]

She's not entirely wrong, I'd say. :v: [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] See also: Chicken tendies.

Listening to the recordings it doesn't sound patronizing like I originally expected from the title and description.

the full quote: [quote]"Some are new to politics completely. They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement," she said. "They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future." Clinton added: "If you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing." "I think we all should be really understanding of that," Clinton said.[/quote] not as bad as i thought it'd be

Hey now, it's not a basement, more of a cellar

Wow if you read the full quote its actually not bad at all. This is a horrible attempt at sensationalizing what she says

Yeah because to be for universal healthcare you need to be a basement dweller or an angry barista???

Romney's 47% comment wasn't actually all bad when taken in context of the full quote, but that didn't stop it from getting sensationalized either. [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Matthew0505;51135472]Yeah why would anyone post Politico, known for their extremely pro-conservative bias?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure only the places that usually don't corroborate their stories like Daily Mail and (sometimes) Breitbart are off-limits. I wouldn't personally touch it with a fifty-foot pole, but Politico isn't so awful in that regard.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51135477]Romney's 47% comment wasn't actually all bad when taken in context of the full quote, but that didn't stop it from getting sensationalized either. [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] I'm pretty sure only the places that usually don't corroborate their stories like Daily Mail and (sometimes) Breitbart are off-limits. I wouldn't personally touch it with a fifty-foot pole, but Politico isn't so awful in that regard.[/QUOTE] I posted Politico because I thought it was more reputable than the other source, but the other source had the direct audio clips so I posted both so you could hear the quotes in context.

The most controversial thing she even said here was the part where she implied Sanders supporters were basement dwellers and even that didn't sound so much derogatory as it seemed like it was intended to imply they weren't in the best spot in their lives, lol. Though either way that was still a generalization. The rest of the quote isn't all that bad at all.

Yea with the context it's not "haha look at these basement dwellers" it's more "they don't have the money/will to live on their own"

If I were a US citizen I would obstain voting. This is unconscionable conduct; sure, it happens almost everywhere, but that shouldn't be used as an excuse to normalize it.

[quote]During the conversation, Clinton confesses to feeling "bewildered" by those to her far-left and far-right in the election. "There is a strain of, on the one hand, the kind of populist, nationalist, xenophobic, discriminatory kind of approach that we hear too much of from the Republican candidates," she said. "And on the other side, there’s just a [B]deep desire to believe that we can have free college[/B], free healthcare, that what we’ve done hasn’t gone far enough, and that we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don’t know what that means, but it’s something that they deeply feel."[/quote] [quote]Every student should have the option to graduate from a public college or university in their state without taking on any student debt. By 2021, families with income up to $125,000 will [B]pay no tuition at in-state four-year public colleges and universities[/B]. And from the beginning, every student from a family making $85,000 a year or less will be able to go to an in-state four-year public college or university [B]without paying tuition[/B]. [B]All community colleges will offer free tuition[/B].[/quote] [url]https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/[/url] :goodjob:

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51135520]Silly millennials and their demand to not die because they can't afford medical bills.[/QUOTE] I think it's more the difficulties of applying policies from somewhere like Scandinavia to a country that has a much larger population, spends considerably more on a military among other logistical problems along with the realization that many of the people who desire such a thing have no idea how it will be achieved.

"No, she really cares! She's definitely not just pandering for votes from the Sanders crowd guys!"

[QUOTE=srobins;51135535][url]https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/[/url] :goodjob:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Hacked audio of a conversation between Hillary Clinton and donors during [b]a February fundraising event[/b] shows the Democrat nominee describing Bernie Sanders supporters as "children of the Great Recession" who are "living in their parents’ basement."[/QUOTE] This was back in February, way before the democrats started including some of Bernie's policies in their platform. I know people on this forum like to hyperbolize how bad Clinton supposedly is, but I'm pretty sure she knows what her campaign platform is. [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=srobins;51135539]"No, she really cares! She's definitely not just pandering for votes from the Sanders crowd guys!"[/QUOTE] She isn't. She's been pretty consistent in disagreeing with many of his ideas, but she's also willing to compromise and include some of his policies in the party platform.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;51135528]If I were a US citizen I would obstain voting. This is unconscionable conduct; sure, it happens almost everywhere, but that shouldn't be used as an excuse to normalize it.[/QUOTE] I know i am.

If you actually listen to the audio, you'll see this is a non-issue. She's not saying [I]all[/I] Sanders supporters were like that, but trying to frame a general idea of the lives of young millennials for her anecdote. Is she wrong? No. I know plenty of people who went to college and got degrees and are waiting tables.

[QUOTE=Zyler;51135537]I think it's more the difficulties of applying policies from somewhere like Scandinavia to a country that has a much larger population, spends considerably more on a military among other logistical problems along with the realization that many of the people who desire such a thing have no idea how it will be achieved.[/QUOTE] Logistical problems in what sense? In every measurable capacity, with the data we have available, universal healthcare is [I]less expensive[/I] to the taxpayer than our current system, and by a wide margin. In fact, our healthcare system, to the taxpayers and providers, costs an average of 2.5x more than anywhere else in the world. We have no national negotiating power with pharma companies, and our complete reliance on privatized insurance companies has allowed pharma to charge absolutely obscene pricesfor drugs, equipment, and medical supplies. Get rid of insurance, and you lose the system being exploited by our for-profit medical industry. Institute a basic universal healthcare plan, and you give the government the ability to further negotiate nationwide deals with said companies, further reducing prices. Ethically speaking, and in terms of what is best for society as a whole, universal healthcare should absolutely be a necessity. After all, what kind of nation allows it's citizens to fall into lifelong medical debt as a result of illness or injury? Medical debt is [B]the leading cause of bankruptcy in the United States.[/B] However, if those factors just aren't quite enough, and you need to look at the problem in terms of the bottom line? We're wasting money by trying to salvage our current medical system. The only correct course of action here is to conceive and enact a long-term plan of action to transition from a for-profit privatized healthcare system to a universal plan.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;51135461]the full quote: not as bad as i thought it'd be[/QUOTE] Came into this thread expecting to be outraged but can't really find anything offensive with that quote.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51135633]Came into this thread expecting to be outraged but can't really find anything offensive with that quote.[/QUOTE] im sure people would be outraged if no one posted the full quote in this thread

[QUOTE=Chonch;51135477]Romney's 47% comment wasn't actually all bad when taken in context of the full quote, but that didn't stop it from getting sensationalized either. [/QUOTE] I'd have to disagree on that. Romney explicitly accused that '47%' of having a victimization complex, and the belief that it's the government's job to take care of them because they lacked "personal responsibility" to fix their lives. He didn't try at all to reasonably express his oppositions viewpoint, and just marginalized them as do-nothing leeches. If Clinton had accused Sanders supporters of being unemployed or underemployed because they weren't willing to work hard enough, or because it was some other sort of personal failing of their's, then maybe it would be comparable.

This quote was actually pretty good for her. It just shows an understanding of how fucked millennial's are by the current situation and why so many supported Sanders. She could have said the same thing in a speech to a cheering crowd.

[QUOTE=Zyler;51135545]She isn't. She's been pretty consistent in disagreeing with many of his ideas, but she's also willing to compromise and include some of his policies in the party platform.[/QUOTE] I think this is something that's been forgotten. It has to be exactly one way or another, but never some compromise between the two. Compromising now means pandering.

Listening to the audio it really doesn't sound condescending at all, she says it completely matter-of-factly. I hope people care to actually listen to or read the quote in context instead of just going "Oh she's saying we're all a bunch of basement dwellers!".

[QUOTE=Zyler;51135537]I think it's more the difficulties of applying policies from somewhere like Scandinavia to a country that has a much larger population, spends considerably more on a military among other logistical problems along with the realization that many of the people who desire such a thing have no idea how it will be achieved.[/QUOTE] The US are a superpower and they are not even capable of having an universal healthcare? Your low tax are more important than your health?

[QUOTE=Chonch;51135477]Romney's 47% comment wasn't actually all bad when taken in context of the full quote, but that didn't stop it from getting sensationalized either. [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] I'm pretty sure only the places that usually don't corroborate their stories like Daily Mail and (sometimes) Breitbart are off-limits. I wouldn't personally touch it with a fifty-foot pole, but Politico isn't so awful in that regard.[/QUOTE] That's because Romney is a piece of shit and everyone knows it [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51135965]The US are a superpower and they are not even capable of having an universal healthcare? Your low tax are more important than your health?[/QUOTE] Well yeah when 30% of every weeks pay is gone to taxes and you're already struggling to pay bills, of course were gonna object to higher taxes

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51135965]The US are a superpower and they are not even capable of having an universal healthcare? Your low tax are more important than your health?[/QUOTE] taxes in the US aren't even much lower - private healthcare is just so inefficient and extortionate that Americans are essentially paying European taxes for some of the worst coverage in the western world. it's so utterly backwards.

[QUOTE=Cone;51136076]taxes in the US aren't even much lower - private healthcare is just so inefficient and extortionate that Americans are essentially paying European taxes for some of the worst coverage in the western world. it's so utterly backwards.[/QUOTE] and yet i know medicade beneficiaries that mock and derride the whole damn idea of a public single payer option

[QUOTE=Kylel999;51136026]That's because Romney is a piece of shit and everyone knows it [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] Well yeah when 30% of every weeks pay is gone to taxes and you're already struggling to pay bills, of course were gonna object to higher taxes[/QUOTE] I've heard some terrible story where people have paid more than 1000 dollars for their medical visit, i prefer to pay HIGHER tax than pay some sudden 10 000$ bills because my tax aren't that big and sudden. Everyone has to give their part of the money for the good of the education/healthcare and that's GOOD.