• Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries
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[b]Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries[/b] Via [url=http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/study-finds-no-gender-gap-in-tech-salaries]Spectrum[/url] _________________________ [quote][img]http://i.imgur.com/xJ0dGYI.jpg[/img] Even though cash is a bigger motivator for men than for women, they’re getting equal pay for equal positions, education, and experience says tech job search firm Dice. No salary gap exists between women and men in tech, says job search firm Dice, looking at its annual survey of 16,000 tech professionals, as long as you are comparing people with equal experience, education, and job titles. [img]http://i.imgur.com/1LKHOyB.jpg[/img][/quote] Well, there you have it. Case closed.
[url]http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract[/url] Still, there is discrimination in STEM. [QUOTE]equal experience, education, and job titles.[/QUOTE] What? Other factors? Disgusting.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49856570]Well, there you have it. Case closed.[/QUOTE] No not really. The case is far from being closed.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49856683]No not really. The case is far from being closed.[/QUOTE] Care to elaborate?
[QUOTE=Lurr;49856687]Care to elaborate?[/QUOTE] A single study found in favor of the "no wage-discrimination exists in the tech field" mantra does not "close the case." There are numerous studies that diametrically oppose this one and more work needs to be done in ensuring the gender inequality is rectified.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49856696]A single study found in favor of the "no wage-discrimination exists in the tech field" mantra does not "close the case." There are numerous studies that diametrically oppose this one and more work needs to be done in ensuring the gender inequality is rectified.[/QUOTE] Frankly even if you don't believe in the wage gap, to say something is closed after a single study is pretty stupid. We've had a [i]lot[/i] of studies for just about everything that were found to be done improperly or were just completely fraudulent. A single survey from a job search company is hardly a definitive answer. To claim victory after just that one result is pretty short-sighted.
Wasn't there a study which came to the conclusion that the gap exists because men are more times likely to ask for higher salary while women don't?
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49856696]A single study found in favor of the "no wage-discrimination exists in the tech field" mantra does not "close the case." There are numerous studies that diametrically oppose this one and more work needs to be done in ensuring the gender inequality is rectified.[/QUOTE] There was a really interesting bit on NPR about the wage gap. [url]http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/[/url] Basically most of it isn't discrimination. Women have me responsibilities outside of work and that affects their past but women are okay with it. They seek more flexible jobs over higher paying jobs, or more work less hours rather than stay late at the office to get promoted.
[QUOTE=nomad1;49856779]Wasn't there a study which came to the conclusion that the gap exists because men are more times likely to ask for higher salary while women don't?[/QUOTE] It doesn't exist. It looks at what men [I]earn[/I] and what women [I]earn[/I]. Yes, men earn more but women make different choices than men. They are paid the same amount for the same work, if they weren't that would be illegal.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49857048]It doesn't exist. It looks at what men [I]earn[/I] and what women [I]earn[/I]. [B]Yes, men earn more but women make different choices than men. They are paid the same amount for the same work, if they weren't that would be illegal.[/B][/QUOTE] :what:
[QUOTE=kyle877;49857055]:what:[/QUOTE] Men just make smarter choices, clearly.
Ah yes. How silly of me. My brain must be turning female after I hung out with my trans friend.
Even if there's no pay gap [I]within[/I] tech jobs, the [I]overall[/I] pay gap is largely influenced [I]by the relative lack of women in tech jobs[/I]. The issue isn't women being paid differently in STEM, the issue is that STEM jobs make a lot of money and have many more men than women in them. The rest of the pay gap can be explained by women having different education, hours, experience, as well as being culturally conditioned to be less assertive and direct.
[QUOTE=kyle877;49857055]:what:[/QUOTE] Men and women go into different fields of work that pay different amounts of money.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49856696]A single study found in favor of the "no wage-discrimination exists in the tech field" mantra does not "close the case." There are numerous studies that diametrically oppose this one and more work needs to be done in ensuring the gender inequality is rectified.[/QUOTE] Would be interested to see these studies that demonstrate women are being paid less for equal circumstances and equal work. Everything I've heard or read has suggested the pay gap is just a function of women's life choices and behavior in their industry.
so do they earn the same or not???? are they getting paid the same or not???
People, in this thread even, seem to take it that if you don't believe in the gender pay gap, you think women are just stupid or unskilled and thus paid less.. Which isn't the case. All anyone is saying is that there are a variety of complex factors that influence the average wages between the genders, and that you shouldn't just label that myriad of unexplained differences between groups of complex and dynamic human beings as "discrimination" to further a political agenda.
[QUOTE=Last or First;49857123]Even if there's no pay gap [I]within[/I] tech jobs, the [I]overall[/I] pay gap is largely influenced [I]by the relative lack of women in tech jobs[/I]. The issue isn't women being paid differently in STEM, the issue is that STEM jobs make a lot of money and have many more men than women in them. The rest of the pay gap can be explained by women having different education, hours, experience, as well as being culturally conditioned to be less assertive and direct.[/QUOTE] If there's no pay gap in stem jobs, how can the pay gap in stem jobs be affecting the pay gap in other areas of employment? That'd be like saying that a prospective jar of jelly beans is empty but that by pouring that empty jar into a pile of jelly beans I'd be adding to the pile. [editline]3rd March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=kyle877;49857132]so do they earn the same or not???? are they getting paid the same or not???[/QUOTE] They get paid the same (The Equal Pay Act makes it so that it is illegal to pay one person who does the same amount of work more than somebody else), there are more men than woman in STEM and the statistic is just a measurement of the average gross income of ALL men and ALL women, not a comparison of individual men and women. It also doesn't account for factors such as employment position, time worked at the company and overtime.
[QUOTE=Zyler;49857146]If there's no pay gap in stem jobs, how can the pay gap in stem jobs be affecting the pay gap in other areas of employment? That'd be like saying that a prospective jar of jelly beans is empty but that by pouring that empty jar into a pile of jelly beans I'd be adding to the pile.[/QUOTE] I think you're misinterpreting his post. He's saying that within the tech industry, men and women make about the same amount for the same work and experience. Overall, though, men in general make more than women, and he's saying the reason for that is largely because men hold higher paying jobs on average than women, which means statistically, men make more than women. I think!
[QUOTE=kyle877;49857132]so do they earn the same or not???? are they getting paid the same or not???[/QUOTE] Under the same circumstances with the same work, yes the wages are the same. The only reason men earn more is because statistically women work less hours, take longer vacations, and choose different (lower-paying) careers or just want a family and children.
[QUOTE=srobins;49857155]I think you're misinterpreting his post. He's saying that within the tech industry, men and women make about the same amount for the same work and experience. Overall, though, men in general make more than women, and he's saying the reason for that is largely because men hold higher paying jobs on average than women, which means statistically, men make more than women. I think![/QUOTE] That difference is accounted for in the statistics. For people who are still confused, this video might help: [video=youtube;1Gf0gZtKFYc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gf0gZtKFYc[/video]
[QUOTE=Last or First;49857123]Even if there's no pay gap [I]within[/I] tech jobs, the [I]overall[/I] pay gap is largely influenced [I]by the relative lack of women in tech jobs[/I]. [B]The issue isn't women being paid differently in STEM, the issue is that STEM jobs make a lot of money and have many more men than women in them.[/b] The rest of the pay gap can be explained by women having different education, hours, experience, as well as being culturally conditioned to be less assertive and direct.[/QUOTE] Why is it an issue though? I never understood this mentality of wanting to make sure everything from gender to race is evenly distributed across the field. What if women simply don't want to work tech jobs? Are we going to brainwash them into following these types of career, simply because they pay more? That's quite patronizing. Personally, I think the right choice is the one people themselves make, not what pseudofeminists who see discrepancies in gender distribution in tech as an injustice when it's evidently a result of free choice push for. Besides, who are we to assume working in tech is the most beneficial position? It's rather oversimplifying to just look at the wages and say "this one pays better, thus it's better." These jobs come with many disadvantages too, you may have to work unforgiving and numerous hours, at the expense of family life, and experience high amounts of stress which can wreck your health. At the end of the day, jobs that are preferred by women may very well be much more enjoyable all things considered.
[QUOTE=Zyler;49857162]That difference is accounted for in the statistics. For people who are still confused, this video might help: [video=youtube;1Gf0gZtKFYc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gf0gZtKFYc[/video][/QUOTE] Here's a better video with no The Sims music. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWIZeNr2rtU[/media]
Somebody find me a single case of men being paid more than women for equal work. Spoiler: [sp]you won't[/sp]
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;49857217]Somebody find me a single case of men being paid more than women for equal work. Spoiler: [sp]you won't[/sp][/QUOTE] Well you probably will in places where you can negotiate your salary.
[QUOTE=_Axel;49857446]Well you probably will in places where you can negotiate your salary.[/QUOTE] Which is in no way related to gender discrimination.
People still believe in gender gap in the same jobs? It has been disproven numerous times in a multitude of jobs and it simply doesn't make economic sense. Why would a business hire males at all if they had to pay them more for the same job? It doesn't make any business sense unless you believe it's all a big conspiracy.
A single study doesn´t say much, especially in cases like these. That being said there are more things than just your job that decide your pay.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;49857217]Somebody find me a single case of men being paid more than women for equal work. Spoiler: [sp]you won't[/sp][/QUOTE] This is an oversimplification of the issue and not entirely true. Cos, it happens that people sue on grounds of discrimination and win, and it's reasonable to believe that some choose not to sue in fears of being seen as a "difficult employee" and because it's easier not to. Still, there are other reasons why gender affects earnings, both morally questionable and not.
[QUOTE=kyle877;49857055]:what:[/QUOTE] What's your point?
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