• BBC Hardtalk - Swedish Democrat Jimmie Åkesson on "Extreme Immigration"
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[quote=BBC] Last year the Sweden Democrats won 20 seats at the national election, allowing them to enter parliament for the first time. The party wants large cuts to be made to the number of immigrants entering Sweden but is accused by opponents of being xenophobic and anti-Muslim. The Sweden Democrats leader, Jimmie Akesson, says immigration policy has created "parallel societies" in Sweden where immigrants from the Middle East and Africa have become segregated and haven't "assimilated" into Swedish culture. [/quote] Video and source: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/9372832.stm[/url] Personally I thought it was pretty hilarious. All of our Swedish politicians fucking suck at speaking English.
[QUOTE=Mooe94;27658318]Video and source: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/9372832.stm[/url] Personally I thought it was pretty hilarious. All of our Swedish politicians fucking suck at speaking English.[/QUOTE] It's because they have to be so politicaly correct when speaking...
Ahhh Hardtalk is great. Reminds me of Brasseye.
[QUOTE=Orki;27658456]It's because they have to be so politicaly correct when speaking...[/QUOTE] This is so fucking true. But we also got such a bad accent.
Hahahaha, his english is fucking hilarious.
[QUOTE=Mooe94;27658318]All of our Swedish politicians fucking suck at speaking English.[/QUOTE] I'm going to guess that's because Swedish is their first language. :downs:
I agree with him. sweden for swedish people!!
A few Swedish people I've heard speaking have middle-class south of England accents when speaking English. One guy I really thought was British was actually Swedish.
How much assimilation are they talking about? Who cares what culture they decide to follow.
Assimilation goes both ways, the assimilating culture must make it possible to be assimilated. Example: If I go to Sweden and they make every effort to constantly remind me that I am not Swedish and will never be considered Swedish, then they can't be surprised when I stick to my own and fail to assimilate. On the other hand, if I go to Sweden and they treat me like anyone else, then it's on me to get with the program and become more Swedish.
[QUOTE=5killer;27659473]How much assimilation are they talking about? Who cares what culture they decide to follow.[/QUOTE] Assimilation can be really fucked up time to time, Swedish politicians can wear hijab to honor Islam or to honor solidarity , sex education shows a black man having sex with a Swedish girl, immigrants rarely or never make it into media their face get pixelated white to look Swedish, politicians tells the population that it's ok that women only get a small room in brand new mosques, some school classes now needs to have different lesson during swim training one for boys and one for girls, before the Swedish democrats and other parties enter the parliament there is a ceremony in the Sankt Nicolai church, however the Swedish Democrats got lectured by the bishop who also praised the leftists protesting against the Swedish Democrats. I can go on and on. They are trying to merge Sweden to some solidarity political correct nightmare. This is out government current way of handling immigrants. Immigrants got pretty big freedom to choose where to live, most of the time they choose a community where other immigrants with similarity culture already lives. This is a big problem since now we got a immigrant community inside of the Swedish one. This will make immigration to the Swedish community a lot harder. To make things worse these communities is usually cities that big company's left behind or there simply isn't enough jobs. This brings us to another problem, it will be harder to get jobs, studies, money and simply something to do. This leads to crime! It doesn't matter if you are a super blonde Swedish or a Islamic extremist if you don't got money and nothing to do it will lead to crime!. The government slightly solves this by giving immigrants higher grants then the rest of the population. This is sure a good way to lower crime but it won't help immigration one bit! It will probably just worsen it since people wont try as hard to get job or studies. Sweden is also die hard leftist country, when it was obvious that the Swedish Democrats was coming into the government people freaked out. It was massive demostations against racism and the Swedish Democrats was branded nazis by the media and leftist part of Sweden. We are slowly turning more right however since the socialist part of Sweden isn't as strong as it used to be. There you go.
Were Swedish Fish invented in Sweden, or is that just a name?
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27660178] sex education shows a black man having sex with a Swedish girl,[/QUOTE] unless you're telling me that no black people at all live in sweden, i don't see what the problem with this is [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27660178] immigrants rarely or never make it into media their face get pixelated white to look Swedish,[/QUOTE] and that's their fault? [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27660178] politicians tells the population that it's ok that women only get a small room in brand new mosques, [/QUOTE] it's their religion. so long as the women are choosing to go to the mosques of their own free will, let them worship however they want [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27660178] some school classes now needs to have different lesson during swim training one for boys and one for girls,[/QUOTE] lots of places do this [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27660178]This brings us to another problem, it will be harder to get jobs, studies, money and simply something to do.[/QUOTE] not true. A larger population requires a larger workforce to support it. More people means more goods to be manufactured and more services. This creates more jobs. [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] then again I'm not going to convince you of anything because you're one of those deluded people who take pride in being xenophobic because you've justified paranoia to yourself.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda]unless you're telling me that no black people at all live in sweden, i don't see what the problem with this is[/QUOTE] I was just pointing out assimilation. [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda]and that's their fault?[/QUOTE] No thats the political correct medias fault. [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda]it's their religion. so long as the women are choosing to go to the mosques of their own free will, let them worship however they want[/QUOTE] Sure [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda]lots of places do this[/quote] Not in sweden, now some public bathhouse is even in danger. [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda]not true. A larger population requires a larger workforce to support it. More people means more goods to be manufactured and more services. This creates more jobs.[/quote] So if you put people in a city with no jobs, there suddenly will be more jobs? The problem is that most of the immigrants need studies some don't even know swedish. There was a perfect actually government documentary about this not long ago, I would love to link it but i'm not sure if you are swedish. Watch Kalla Fakta "Mona, åk till Söderhamn" It's about a little community where politicans became Swedish Democrats put they didn't really want to after getting run over by by immigrants. [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda]then again I'm not going to convince you of anything because you're one of those deluded people who take pride in being xenophobic because you've justified paranoia to yourself.[/QUOTE] If i wanted to be islamophobic i can do a lot worse.
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27660178]Assimilation can be really fucked up time to time, Swedish politicians can wear hijab to honor Islam or to honor solidarity , sex education shows a black man having sex with a Swedish girl, immigrants rarely or never make it into media their face get pixelated white to look Swedish, politicians tells the population that it's ok that women only get a small room in brand new mosques, some school classes now needs to have different lesson during swim training one for boys and one for girls, before the Swedish democrats and other parties enter the parliament there is a ceremony in the Sankt Nicolai church, however the Swedish Democrats got lectured by the bishop who also praised the leftists protesting against the Swedish Democrats. I can go on and on. They are trying to merge Sweden to some solidarity political correct nightmare. This is out government current way of handling immigrants. Immigrants got pretty big freedom to choose where to live, most of the time they choose a community where other immigrants with similarity culture already lives. This is a big problem since now we got a immigrant community inside of the Swedish one. This will make immigration to the Swedish community a lot harder. To make things worse these communities is usually cities that big company's left behind or there simply isn't enough jobs. This brings us to another problem, it will be harder to get jobs, studies, money and simply something to do. This leads to crime! It doesn't matter if you are a super blonde Swedish or a Islamic extremist if you don't got money and nothing to do it will lead to crime!. The government slightly solves this by giving immigrants higher grants then the rest of the population. This is sure a good way to lower crime but it won't help immigration one bit! It will probably just worsen it since people wont try as hard to get job or studies. Sweden is also die hard leftist country, when it was obvious that the Swedish Democrats was coming into the government people freaked out. It was massive demostations against racism and the Swedish Democrats was branded nazis by the media and leftist part of Sweden. We are slowly turning more right however since the socialist part of Sweden isn't as strong as it used to be. There you go.[/QUOTE] You know what's the problem with you guys? You guys are too nice with everybody, but that's not bad per se, the thing is you accept [U]all[/U] kinds of immigrants, that's the problem IMHO... We should know; Argentina did the same thing you guys are doing now, in the early 1900's, back when we were one of the richest (if not THE richest) country in the American continent... some guys decided we were pretty secluded and that we should share our fine lands with the rest of the world a lot more, so we ended up opening our borders and accepting _Huge_, massive waves of italian and spanish immigrants (specially spanish during their spanish civil war in the '30s), and most of them were scum. Fast forward 50 years, [I]just[/I] 50 years, and what do we have? Our country is run by friggin' thieves and _Everybody_ wants it easy (the root cause of all of our issues), just like their grand-grand fathers did, back when they first set foot on our harbors... the working man mindset, once passed from generation after generation, got completely lost because those bastards we once received were never taught (or if they did, they completely forgot about it) the value of work and working for what you want, and teaching the same to your kids, and so on... and of course, by now it's completely out of control. So it comes as no surprise why some folks of our government once shook hands with the 3rd Reich (and decided to give shelter to all the WWII german war criminals) :v: [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] Just my 2 cents
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;27660991]You know what's the problem with you guys? You guys are too nice with everybody, but that's not bad per se, the thing is you accept [U]all[/U] kinds of immigrants, that's the problem IMHO... We should know; Argentina did the same thing you guys are doing now, in the early 1900's, back when we were one of the richest (if not THE richest) country in the American continent... some guys decided we were pretty secluded and that we should share our fine lands with the rest of the world a lot more, so we ended up opening our borders and accepting _Huge_, massive waves of italian and spanish immigrants (specially spanish during their spanish civil war in the '30s), and most of them were scum. Fast forward 50 years, [I]just[/I] 50 years, and what do we have? Our country is run by friggin' thieves and _Everybody_ wants it easy (the root cause of all of our issues), just like their grand-grand fathers did, back when they first set foot on our harbors... the working man mindset, once passed from generation after generation, got completely lost because those bastards we once received were never taught (or if they did, they completely forgot about it) the value of work and working for what you want, and teaching the same to your kids, and so on... and of course, by now it's completely out of control. So it comes as no surprise why some folks of our government once shook hands with the 3rd Reich (and decided to give shelter to all the WWII german war criminals) :v: [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] Just my 2 cents[/QUOTE] I agree to some extent it's a lot about the amount and the choices immigrants get. I mean even people that immigrated for 20 years ago to sweden see the current development as a problem. Some earlier immigrants even consider moving since there own communities got run over.
XTREME IMMIGRATION! :rock:
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27661617]I agree to some extent it's a lot about the amount and the choices immigrants get. I mean even people that immigrated for 20 years ago to sweden see the current development as a problem. Some earlier immigrants even consider moving since there own communities got run over.[/QUOTE] Same here, man... same here. Many people from italian or spanish ascendancy ends up packing their shit and leaving to their "home land", because the country turned to complete shit :/ [editline]25th January 2011[/editline] But then again, the influx of immigrants we received in the early 20th century is just a part of the problem.
[QUOTE=Fatman55;27661806]XTREME IMMIGRATION! :rock:[/QUOTE] I agree. Immigration has to stop in europe. people move here for the benefits. I live in Scandinavia and let me tell you, immigration is a problem. lots of people from the middle-east are stealing our jobs, cause they are okay with low pay, same with the polish. i don't think i'm the only one when i say "Immigrants, go back to where you came from". i'm actually in a group called combat18 and we carry knives and stab immigrants (easily recognizable by their skin color) everyday, trying to send the message that we don't want them here
[QUOTE=bazyboy;27662457]I agree. Immigration has to stop in europe. people move here for the benefits. I live in Scandinavia and let me tell you, immigration is a problem. lots of people from the middle-east are stealing our jobs, cause they are okay with low pay, same with the polish. i don't think i'm the only one when i say "Immigrants, go back to where you came from". i'm actually in a group called combat18 and we carry knives and stab immigrants (easily recognizable by their skin color) everyday, trying to send the message that we don't want them here[/QUOTE] Do you by any chance shave your head and wear combat boots with red shoelaces too?
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;27662552]Do you by any chance shave your head and wear combat boots with red shoelaces too?[/QUOTE] what is this joke?? of course. i shave my head every tuesday
[QUOTE=bazyboy;27662912]what is this joke?? of course. i shave my head every tuesday[/QUOTE] Do you happen to refer to your friends as "comrades" also? :v: [editline]26th January 2011[/editline] In other news, a South Park song is now being the most listened song in Sweden: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRPyJKpAfVE[/media]
The birth rate in Sweden is declining, and at the same time, a large portion of the older population is retiring due to their age. This will inevitably lead to a large scale economic disaster in Sweden, since there aren't enough young people to produce the economic wealth that will take care of the retired. This can be fixed by: (a) Removing "governmental subsidies" (not quite the right word, I'm not too familiar with English political expressions) for the retired. (b) Getting immigrants to work. The problem with (b) is that a few employers want to employ immigrants. In a debate in the Swedish Parliament, the Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson claimed that it takes 8 years for an immigrant to find a job, and said that it is a problem, because it takes too long time. But, when the government wants to stimulate the market by granting employers a tax cut when employing an immigrant, then Jimmie Åkesson thinks it's discriminating against Swedes. Not only does this help getting an immigrant into the labour market quicker, it also helps fighting criminality, because an immigrant that has a job is less likely to get involved in criminality, and gets a better attitude towars Sweden as a society. The Sweden Democrats constantly uses immigrant criminality and immigrant unemployment as arguments in their discussions about problems with immigration policies. But when a proposition comes up about fixing these problems, they find an excuse to not accept it, simply because if these problems are fixed, they will lose a large portion of their voters. But let's, for the sake of arguments, ignore that for now. And let's take a look on how many parliamentary bills filed by each party: Social Democrats: 1247 bills, 112 seats, ~11 per member Moderate Party: 901 bills, 107 seats, ~8 per member Green Party: 241 bills, 25 seats, ~10 per member People's Party: 254 bills, 24 seats, ~11 per member Center Party: 194 bills, 23 seats, ~8 per member Sweden Democrats: 48 bills, 20 seats, [B]~2 per member[/B] Left Party: 148 bills, 19 seats, ~8 per member Christian Democrats: 340 bills 19 seats, ~18 per member This indicates that Sweden Democrats is a party that doesn't want problems to be fixed, and it's also the reason why a vote for the Sweden Democrats is a wasted vote.
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27660178]sex education shows a black man having sex with a Swedish girl[/QUOTE] My God, they're after our women!
Hey, my parents immigrated to this country almost 30 years ago. And I was born here. Am I still an immigrant? Edit: BrageNyman, does it have with skin color to do?
The responsibility lies on both sides for sure, but you seriously cannot claim Sweden hasn't done its part. It's a difficult situation, but in general we've let in more than we can effectively handle.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;27671645]Hey, my parents immigrated to this country almost 30 years ago. And I was born here. Am I still an immigrant? Edit: BrageNyman, does it have with skin color to do?[/QUOTE] Don't worry immigrants 30 years had way less problem immigrating with the Swedish society. Talking about skin color was pretty much only assimilation on part of the media and government. I consider myself Finnish however my parents are from Finland and Lithuania i came here when i was a kid. So i'm technically more immigrant then what you are, but the way immirants are handled today and the way they act is pissing me of so fucking bad. [QUOTE=Bird;27671933]My dad is an immigrant, still my big sister supports the swedish democrats :downs:[/QUOTE] You should be proud over her.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27658974]I'm going to guess that's because Swedish is their first language. :downs:[/QUOTE] No that doesn't excuse them because Scandinavians have god tier English skills for a non-native speaker
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27672016]Don't worry immigrants 30 years had way less problem immigrating with the Swedish society. Talking about skin color was pretty much only assimilation on part of the media and government. I consider myself Finnish however my parents are from Finland and Lithuania i came here when i was a kid. So i'm technically more immigrant then what you are, but the way immirants are handled today and the way they act is pissing me of so fucking bad. You should be proud over her.[/QUOTE] Ah cool. I'm seeing too many people misunderstanding SD's goals, including many members of SD. They want to reduce immigration and deal with the separation between the "two groups". It's not about evicting everyone with a foreign sounding name as too many people thinks. The current government takes a group of immigrants, placing them far away from society, gives them bad Swedish courses and then expects these immigrants to look for work and successfully integrate into the Swedish society. Often it doesn't really work well. And then at the same time, you read the news about Christian Iraqis that's getting sent back home to Iraq waiting to get killed by extreme Muslims. Sweden does indeed have some stuff it got to sort out. However I can't say I support SD in any way. It has to clean its image and kick all of its members that think its a new NSDAP.
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27672016] You should be proud over her.[/QUOTE] Or not, SD is a shitty party in general. I do agree with some of their points but they've got some lesser known stuff they propagate for like "traditional family values" (ie no lesbian/gay couples), more christian influence in school and society, no financing for culture that don't support "Swedish values" at its core, whatever that means. You can find some of this in their manifesto.
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