• Trump shrinks Utah monuments angering environmentalists
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[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42226752"]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42226752[/URL] [QUOTE]President Donald Trump has dramatically scaled back two public outdoor parks, or national monuments, in Utah. He declared an 85% cut to the state's 1.3m acre Bears Ears National Monument and a 50% cut to its 1.9m acre Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument. The policy is likely to provoke lawsuits from Native American tribes and environmental groups. But it will be welcomed by ranchers and business interests who view such monuments as federal land grabs. The fight for Utah's national monuments Speaking in Salt Lake City, Mr Trump said: "Some people think the natural resources of Utah should be controlled by a small handful of very distant bureaucrats located in Washington. "And guess what, they're wrong." He added: "I've come to Utah to take a very historic action, to reverse federal over-reach and to restore the rights of this land to your citizens." Native American tribespeople who consider Bears Ears sacred are planning to sue the administration. "We will be fighting back immediately," said Natalie Landreth, a lawyer for the Native American Rights Fund. "All five tribes will be standing together united to defend Bears Ears." The Navajo, Hopi, Pueblo of Zuni, Ute Mountain and Ute Indians form a commission that administrates the territory. Jonathan Nez, Vice-President of the Navajo Nation, said: "This is a sad day for indigenous people and for America. "However, we are resilient and refuse to allow President Trump's unlawful decision to discourage us. "We will continue to fight in honour of our ancestral warriors who fought for our way of life, for our culture and for our land, too." Mr Trump's Secretary of the Interior, Ryan Zinke, said earlier that Mr Trump's aim in reversing the park's federally protected status was "about giving rural America a voice". He added that "public land is for the public to use and not special interests". Bear Ears National Monument was declared by President Barack Obama in December 2016, near to the end of his presidency.[/QUOTE] Guess what. Another Obama era decision.
Fucking hell, not just that but the plan is to split the monument into two different pieces of land given to the different native american groups. He's using a strategy from colonial times to cause infighting and land disputes.
Because keeping historic land untouched by big, soulless business corporations is "federal overreach" and is only benefiting "special interests" Fuck you, Trump.
I'm so fucking pissed about what trumped is doing to the national parks
Trump is what would happen if a team of world-class genetic engineers scanned my brain to find every tiny thing that annoys and angers me and then assembled an artificial person to push every one of my buttons. Like, goddamn. He's so perfectly hatable. There's nothing good about him other than self-destructive idiocy. Majestic.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52946639]"Some people think the natural resources of Utah should be controlled by a small handful of very distant bureaucrats located in Washington. And guess what, they're wrong."[/QUOTE] God just go fuck yourself you fucking sack of rotten potatoes. [editline]oh hamburgers[/editline] [quote]Mr Trump's Secretary of the Interior, Ryan Zinke, said earlier that Mr Trump's aim in reversing the park's federally protected status was "about giving rural America a voice". He added that "public land is for the public to use and not special interests".[/quote] I'm struggling to put forward an actual argument against these decisions because they're just so bullshit. This isn't about giving anyone a voice, it's about selling protected land to put money in Donald's friends' pockets.
It's a good thing necromancy doesn't exist, or we could bet on him bringing Osama back.
That amazing twisted logic "well the law doesn't say he can't do this." Hmm who was always bitching about executive overreach? The law gives him no power to do this, nobody has ever challenged it because litterally every president since TR has respected the fucking thing and their predacessors
Guess the time may be coming to relegate the POTUS to a mere ceremonial status.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;52946740]It's a good thing necromancy doesn't exist, or we could bet on him bringing Osama back.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure Obama isn't dead! :p This is yet another pointless decision by an authoritarian demagogue. He is so despicable that words simply can't express the hate and fear I am now experiencing on a regular basis. In the UK, Brexit has made me ashamed, but Trump... holy fuck, he is so goddamn awful.
That makes so much sense, y'know if I wanted to give unused public land back to the PEOPLE I would have it sectioned off and sold to private interests to be fenced off and developed on, the people will be very grateful that that land will now be used for something instead of just stupid nature. :downs:
Fuck you, trump. This "obummer dun did it so them thar law BAD!" logic is just amazingly childish and one sided. But as usual some people will defend this to the last straw.
No you guys have it all wrong these aren't outdoor parks and monuments this is unused natural resources, and what good is a bunch of natural resources if we're not going to exploit it?
[QUOTE=Mingebox;52946740]It's a good thing necromancy doesn't exist, or we could bet on him bringing Osama back.[/QUOTE] *Trump uses the Necronomicon to bring back Osama bin Laden* "See folks? Obama didn't kill him! What a joke!"
[QUOTE=Sombrero;52947450]Fuck you, trump. This "obummer dun did it so them thar law BAD!" logic is just amazingly childish and one sided. But as usual some people will defend this to the last straw.[/QUOTE] This had probably more to do with lobbyism than with Obama, since now those areas can be exploited whereas they were protected before.
I can see environmentalists, especially extreme ones, getting [I]very[/I] pissy about this. [editline]5th December 2017[/editline] good
[QUOTE=Chaplin;52946659]Fucking hell, not just that but the plan is to split the monument into two different pieces of land given to the different native american groups. He's using a strategy from colonial times to cause infighting and land disputes.[/QUOTE] To be honest there's going to be a point where Trump/the current government piss off people enough to the point that someone snaps and resorts to drastic measures, particularly when you see stunts like this being pulled.
I'm even more worried for the Northeast Canyons and Seamounts monument now, it was on Zinke's hitlist for removal. It just became a Marine Monument last year, and is the US's only Marine Monument in the Atlantic. It is a point of passage for the North Atlantic Right Whale (extremely endangered), in addition to housing many rare/slow growing species such as coral (these coral take hundreds of years to grow). It's frustrating
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52949218]I'm honestly suprised there hasn't been attempts at his life yet. JFK was shot for much less.[/QUOTE] Honestly this scenario is the failure of peaceful protest. What good is yelling at someone who has no morals? Eventually hey learned there weren't any consequences and now they are smashing and grabbing as much as they can before everyone else realizes the same. Violence is bad but I would take 1000 people dying for a real cause over 100 dying because they were in the way of the barbarians raiding the treasury. I dont think the solution is violence either its just obvious the last 60 years are being reversed and I'm venting I guess.
Killing him would just make him a martyr, which is far more than he's worthy of. In fact, I don't think he could even meet an end befiting of his dignity unless somebody makes a vat of ball sweat large enough to drown a man.
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