Warren endorses Clinton - Polidicks

[media]https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/741098335013113856[/media] [url]http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/06/09/elizabeth-warren-endorse-hillary-clinton-msnbc-tonight/QrjxIM24ZY7EbiXDb9mMAN/story.html[/url] [quote]Senator Elizabeth Warren ended months of neutrality in the Democratic primary Thursday and endorsed Hillary Clinton, urging supporters of Bernie Sanders to get behind the presumptive nominee and help defeat Donald Trump. Warren’s endorsement followed President Obama’s by just a few hours, but it could be equally as important in rallying a liberal base that is suspicious of Clinton because of her warm relations with Wall Street and a track record of supporting international free trade deals. “I’m ready,” said Warren in an interview with The Globe Thursday evening. “I’m ready to jump in this fight and make sure that Hillary Clinton is the next president of the United States and be sure that Donald Trump gets nowhere near the White House.” Asked whether Clinton should release the transcripts of paid speeches she gave to Goldman Sachs, Warren said: “That’s for her to decide — there will be a whole lot of issues to talk about over the next several months.” Sanders frequently calls on Clinton to release them. “I’m supporting Hillary Clinton because she’s a fighter, a fighter with guts,” Warren said.[/quote] But more importantly Martin O'Malley has endorsed her too!! [url]http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-martin-o-malley-endorses-hillary-clinton-20160609-story.html[/url] [quote]rmer Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley on Thursday endorsed his party's presumptive nominee for president, Hillary Clinton -- four months after he dropped out of the race himself. The endorsement, which O'Malley made through an email, came minutes after President Barack Obama offered his own endorsement of Clinton in a video. It also came on a day when Bernie Sanders was meeting with Democrats in Washington, presumably to discuss his exit from the race. O'Malley, who has widely avoided the media since his third-place finish in Iowa, has never publicly addressed his decision not to endorse a candidate in the primary.[/quote]

This is all well and dandy but couldn't you honestly use the other thread?

[quote]“I’m supporting Hillary Clinton because she’s a fighter, a fighter with guts,”[/quote] Damn, that kind of reasoning is only a nudge above, "because she is a woman."

[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1522034[/url]

So now Warren is tying herself to a potential criminal, that's just swell.

1000 years of darkness will descend upon us all.

Looks like I'll have to vote for her. Unfortunate.

Unlike Sanders, Warren knows how to play politics.

If anyone is a fighter in this race, it's Sanders, he went from a nobody to a somebody in a short period of time, and still hasn't quit. Hillary only got as far as she did because she's Bill Clinton's wife and the former Secretary of State for the Obama administration, and has the backing of very powerful and wealthy people, she is not a fighter, fuck everything about this shitty government.

[QUOTE=Killer900;50487983]If anyone is a fighter in this race, it's Sanders, he went from a nobody to a somebody in a short period of time, and still hasn't quit. Hillary only got as far as she did because she's Bill Clinton's wife and the former Secretary of State for the Obama administration, and has the backing of very powerful and wealthy people, she is not a fighter, fuck everything about this shitty government.[/QUOTE] Hillary got as far as she has because she has been fighting for the people for decades, and building up strong relationships with other Democrats and other interests over that time. As opposed to Sanders, who has been a lone wolf in the majority of his time in Congress.

[QUOTE=sb27;50488122]Hillary got as far as she has because she has been fighting for the people for decades, and building up strong relationships with other Democrats and other interests over that time. As opposed to Sanders, who has been a lone wolf in the majority of his time in Congress.[/QUOTE] You should sign up for that Clinton Foundation paycheck.

[QUOTE=Tudd;50488132]You should sign up for that Clinton Foundation paycheck.[/QUOTE] What? How come whenever someone says something that contradicts others' views on Hillary and Bernie, that so many people here immediately jump to conspiracies/being paid off? Grow up.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;50487963]Looks like I'll have to vote for her. Unfortunate.[/QUOTE] Why?

[QUOTE=Tudd;50488132]You should sign up for that Clinton Foundation paycheck.[/QUOTE] "If you have a positive opinion of someone I personally dislike, you must be paid off because I'm too much of a babbling infant to understand how people can have different opinions." eh, D+ see me after class.

[QUOTE=sb27;50488122]Hillary got as far as she has because she has been fighting for the people for decades, and building up strong relationships with other Democrats and other interests over that time. As opposed to Sanders, who has been a lone wolf in the majority of his time in Congress.[/QUOTE] As pointed out many times over, she's basically been on the wrong side of history for decades. Against gay and civil rights for example.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50488199]As pointed out many times over, she's basically been on the wrong side of history for decades. Against gay and civil rights for example.[/QUOTE] She's always been an opportunist, which has made her a hypocrite Like listen to her commencement speech, she talks about how it's her generations job to make the impossible possible, it's the exact opposite of how she talks about her governing approach today which is to say "pragmatic pragmatic pragmatic!"

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50488199]As pointed out many times over, she's basically been on the wrong side of history for decades. Against gay and civil rights for example.[/QUOTE] She was a post-Reagan Democrat. The Democrats were pulled far right to compensate for conservative Reagan fervor. She was never "against gay rights." She pushed for civil unions while maintaining the status-quo "traditional marriage" standpoint. She pushed for the end of [i]firing gays in the military because they were gay[/i], even if the implementation was weak. She's never been [i]against[/i] gay rights, ever. Find me anything that even hints she's [i]against[/i] gay rights and I'll commend you - you won't. She took a very conservative approach towards equalizing gay rights and ending LGBT discrimination in a time period where [i]less than 10%[/i] of the US population viewed it as acceptable. Yes, Sanders is stronger, but Hillary wasn't out there firing aides for being gay and pushing the military to continue banning gays from serving. She did a lot for LGBT rights in a very conservative time period. What else has she been consistently wrong on? Minimum wage? I mean, she used "living wage" as an argument in 1999 and has continually fought for that. Healthcare? She was for universal healthcare for a [i]very[/i] long time before giving up because of Congress stonewalling any progress. Unless you think universal healthcare is "the wrong side of history" - she was the candidate wanting it in 2008 when Obama didn't.

[QUOTE=Reshy;50487902]So now Warren is tying herself to a potential criminal, that's just swell.[/QUOTE] every politician is a potential criminal

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50488198]"If you have a positive opinion of someone I personally dislike, you must be paid off because I'm too much of a babbling infant to understand how people can have different opinions." eh, D+ see me after class.[/QUOTE] More like its a crock of shit saying she has been fighting for the people. She is a Opportunist plain and simple. Also I never said he was paid off, I just think he should sign up.

[QUOTE=Judas;50488232]every politician is a potential criminal[/QUOTE] Every [i]human[/i] is a potential criminal.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50488243]Every [i]human[/i] is a potential criminal.[/QUOTE] lol not every human is under active FBI investigation [QUOTE=.Isak.;50488255]Evidence, please. I used to hold your position and I've changed on it because I've read up on multiple perspectives on Hillary's career from a variety of sources. I'm the only person who cites evidence in these threads - everyone else just says "but she's a crook opportunist lizard person" without explaining [i]why[/i] they think that. Defend your position. Give me examples of her [i]not[/i] fighting for the people or her acting as an opportunist.[/QUOTE] [B][U]Against Gay Marriage[/U][/B] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL89ga0nDMA[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3huRVrckY8[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I[/url] [url]https://youtu.be/maEvJQBJH4s?t=377[/url] [B][U]For Gay Marriage[/U][/B] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RP9pbKMJ7c[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Y9abmNuRw[/url] [B][U]Statement on Gun Control[/U][/B] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f0UlPvUfxQ[/url] [B][U]Implies the same statement/sentiment by Sanders is racist[/U][/B] [url]https://youtu.be/CBUO1dybyVw[/url] that's generally why she's considered an opportunist, and since I don't have the patience to seek out anything else, here's the usual '13 minutes straight' video [url]https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI[/url] [QUOTE=.Isak.;50488219]She was a post-Reagan Democrat. The Democrats were pulled far right to compensate for conservative Reagan fervor. She was never "against gay rights." She pushed for civil unions while maintaining the status-quo "traditional marriage" standpoint. She pushed for the end of [i]firing gays in the military because they were gay[/i], even if the implementation was weak. She's never been [i]against[/i] gay rights, ever. Find me anything that even hints she's [i]against[/i] gay rights and I'll commend you - you won't. She took a very conservative approach towards equalizing gay rights and ending LGBT discrimination in a time period where [i]less than 10%[/i] of the US population viewed it as acceptable. Yes, Sanders is stronger, but Hillary wasn't out there firing aides for being gay and pushing the military to continue banning gays from serving. She did a lot for LGBT rights in a very conservative time period. What else has she been consistently wrong on? Minimum wage? I mean, she used "living wage" as an argument in 1999 and has continually fought for that. Healthcare? She was for universal healthcare for a [i]very[/i] long time before giving up because of Congress stonewalling any progress. Unless you think universal healthcare is "the wrong side of history" - she was the candidate wanting it in 2008 when Obama didn't.[/QUOTE] i don't know how you can look at somebody consistently arguing two different sides of a coin and say it's not opportunism. are you delusional? 'She took a very conservative approach towards equalizing gay rights and ending LGBT discrimination in a time period where [i]less than 10%[/i] of the US population viewed it as acceptable.' [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3huRVrckY8[/url] yeah, the highly oppressive, conservative year of 2007, where she was on a lesbian's day time TV show

[QUOTE=Tudd;50488240]More like its a crock of shit saying she has been fighting for the people. She is a Opportunist plain and simple.[/QUOTE] Evidence, please. I used to hold your position and I've changed on it because I've read up on multiple perspectives on Hillary's career from a variety of sources. I'm the only person who cites evidence in these threads - everyone else just says "but she's a crook opportunist lizard person" without explaining [i]why[/i] they think that. Defend your position. Give me examples of her [i]not[/i] fighting for the people or her acting as an opportunist.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50488255]Evidence, please. I used to hold your position and I've changed on it because I've read up on multiple perspectives on Hillary's career from a variety of sources. I'm the only person who cites evidence in these threads - everyone else just says "but she's a crook opportunist lizard person" without explaining [i]why[/i] they think that. Defend your position. Give me examples of her [i]not[/i] fighting for the people or her acting as an opportunist.[/QUOTE] You make it sound like it would be hard to come up with reasons with sources. Someone already beat me, but come on, this shit has been posted for months repeatedly. I be more impressed if you gave me evidence of her helping one group of misfortune people consistently throughout years.

[QUOTE=sb27;50488122]Hillary got as far as she has because she has been [B]fighting for the people for decades, [/B][/QUOTE] Where was she for gay rights until just a few years ago? Where was she for the income inequality? Where was she for campaign finance reform? Oh, that's right. On the other side. Actively opposing them until "recently" for this election.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50488209]She's always been an opportunist, which has made her a hypocrite Like listen to her commencement speech, she talks about how it's her generations job to make the impossible possible, it's the exact opposite of how she talks about her governing approach today which is to say "pragmatic pragmatic pragmatic!"[/QUOTE] Do you think she's going to ban gay marriage and go against civil rights now?

[QUOTE=Tudd;50488358]You make it sound like it would be hard to come up with reasons with sources. Someone already beat me, but come on, this shit has been posted for months repeatedly. I be more impressed if you gave me evidence of her helping one group of misfortune people consistently throughout years.[/QUOTE] Women? She's been doing it at least since she was First Lady when she gave a speech to the UN in 1995

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[QUOTE=sb27;50488598]Women? She's been doing it at least since she was First Lady when she gave a speech to the UN in 1995[/QUOTE] Well there you go! One thing she is consistent on. Though if she didn't support women I be even more surprised. Not to downplay that support, but you can see how that isn't really stacking up against the flip-flopping for me atleast.

[QUOTE=Tudd;50487891]Damn, that kind of reasoning is only a nudge above, "because she is a woman."[/QUOTE] tbh i think it's more of "She isn't Trump."

[QUOTE=joshuadim;50488567]Where was she for gay rights until just a few years ago?[/quote] She supported civil unions with all the same benefits for the couples as early as 2000. While not perfect, it was still significantly ahead of the country at the time. [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/03/18/how-hillary-clinton-evolved-on-gay-marriage[/url] [QUOTE=joshuadim;50488567]Where was she for the income inequality?[/quote] I must have forgotten the time she supported the 'Income Inequality' bill. She's supported increasing the minimum wage, increasing upper income tax brackets, and further extending the regulations of Dodd-Frank to include other types of financial institutions. Do you have even have a single bill she's voted for or supported that you could define as being 'for income inequality'? [QUOTE=joshuadim;50488567] Where was she for campaign finance reform?[/quote] She voted for McCain-Feingold so she was definitely for it, so she's at least as much for it as Sanders. Even if you take the most cynical perspective of it, and believe that she only cares about the advantages it gives to her campaigns, she'd still be against it because ultimately the Republican party gets a lot more donations from corporations, due to their obsession with lowering taxes on the wealthy and regulations. [url]http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1379[/url] [QUOTE=joshuadim;50488567] Oh, that's right. On the other side. Actively opposing them until "recently" for this election.[/QUOTE] I mean if telling yourself that makes you feel better I guess go for it. Though Sanders is certainly more progressive than Clinton, they ultimately at the end of the day share most of the same positions, as evidenced by the fact they voted the same way 92.5% of the time, with only varying degrees of the intensity that they believe things should be taken to (12-hour minimum wage vs 15, for example) [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html?rref=upshot[/url].