CPAC: Conservatives fear generational shift to the left, call Millennials "spoiled"
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[QUOTE]“Parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles — this is your responsibility,” Schlapp, a columnist at the Washington Times, told a Conservative Political Action Conference event on Thursday. [B]“You have to take this message to your children and your nieces and nephews.”[/B]
Schlapp was moderating a panel titled “FREE-stuff vs. FREE-dom: Millennials' love affair with Bernie Sanders.” It was both an exploration of young people’s skepticism toward capitalism and a brainstorming session for what should be done about it.
“The old story used to be, ‘Wait until they have a mortgage, and then they’ll become conservative,’” said Timothy F. Mooney, an attendee who is a partner at the Republican political consulting firm Silver Bullet. “I honestly don’t think that’s true anymore.”
This week marks a celebratory moment for attendees of CPAC — the first such conference since Republicans captured both branches of Congress and the White House this November. But beneath much of the enthusiasm, some conservatives here acknowledge they’re also [B]worried that their recent victories could be undone by a generational shift toward the left.[/B]
After all, “democratic socialist” Bernie Sanders won more votes from those under 30 than any other presidential candidate in primary history. Donald Trump is wildly unpopular with people under 30 (they disapprove of his job performance by a 67-25 margin, according to Pew), and millennials will soon be the country’s biggest voting bloc. And polls show that, for the first time ever, young people are more supportive of “socialism” than “capitalism.”
Conservatives and free market adherents are well aware of the trend-lines — and wrestling with their response.
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Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) said in a panel discussion that [B]if millennials saw national monuments that pay homage to America’s heroes, they’d be more likely to adopt American values.[/B]
"Come to Washington, go to the National Mall and see the memorials to Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln — all of these great people who stood for all of these great ideas,” DeSantis said. “It’s all about articulating what it means to be an American. … That sense of history and understanding, I think, will make a big difference."
Overwhelmingly, most argued the biggest difference would come from changing American education. Chris Astriab, 64, of Fairfax, Virginia, said students had forgotten “Economics 101” because they failed to teach it school.
“They need basic economics about how the free market works,” Astriab said. [B]“[U]These kids are so spoiled today that they don't even realize that the free market made them a possibility. That’s the biggest problem.”[/U][/B]
Other attendees cited the [B]need to use government resources to reform American universities because the “indoctrination just starts younger and younger these days,”[/B] said Brandon Johnson, 43.[/QUOTE]
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[I]‘Wait until they have a mortgage, and then they’ll become conservative,’ [/I]well, looks like most of us aren't ever gonna be conservatives, then.
Sorry we aren't brainwashed
Doesn't really matter when Gen Z is coming through to balance everything anyway.
"wait until we get a mortgage"
Well times have changed, we can't afford shit anymore and we're spoiled, Uh-huh
Societal viewpoints has been shifting to the left for a good hundred years or so. Civil rights, equality, etc. They've all faced resistance, and all been beaten down.
Every new generation will be more and more progressive until there's no more progress to be made. That's life, baby. Get used to it.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;51880600]Sorry we aren't brainwashed[/QUOTE]
"We gotta stop them from indoctrinating our children into becoming leftists! Go home and indoctrinate your kids, nieces, and nephews into becoming conservatives!"
Never even bothered looking up the ins and outs of mortgages because that's not a thing that's gonna happen for me any time soon.
Can't even afford to move out of my parent's house rofl.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51880619]Was just about to say this, yeah.
Also, like others have said, fucking nobody I know can afford a mortgage, even in their late 20s/early 30s.
Most of us are just grinding at work trying to afford to pay rent and not starve.[/QUOTE]
Nah, we're just lazy and unappreciative of what the almighty invisible hand of the "free market" has given us.
Spoiler: a crashed economy, crushing student debt, the worst President in American history, a bought and paid for political system, and scorn from the generation that caused all of it. Gee, thanks.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51880623]Never even bothered looking up the ins and outs of mortgages because that's not a thing that's gonna happen for me any time soon.
Can't even afford to move out of my parent's house rofl.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I wish I could be that naive, I would've loved to be in my 20's in the 60's, the economic boom made life easier than what we got today
But nah it's not that things have changed, it's the leftist ideology doing it :smile:
[quote]Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) said in a panel discussion that if millennials saw national monuments that pay homage to America’s heroes, they’d be more likely to adopt American values.
"Come to Washington, go to the National Mall and see the memorials to Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln — all of these great people who stood for all of these great ideas,” DeSantis said. “It’s all about articulating what it means to be an American. … That sense of history and understanding, I think, will make a big difference."[/quote]
I've got to check out some of these monuments if it'll help me understand why Republicans strive to strip others of their rights
[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;51880637]I've got to check out some of these monuments if it'll help me understand why Republicans strive to strip others of their rights[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? They're the FREEDOM party! Didn't that statue of Abe teach you that?
Seeing that statue of Andrew Jackson made me understand why trans people shouldn't be allowed to use the bathroom of their gender, it all makes sense now.
I don't get why some people have to associate a few fucked up politicians with republican supporters or any right winger. I doubt you will find many individuals here who are right wing that want to strip anyone of their rights.
[quote]Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) said in a panel discussion that if millennials saw national monuments that pay homage to America’s heroes, they’d be more likely to adopt American values.
"Come to Washington, go to the National Mall and see the memorials to Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln — all of these great people who stood for all of these great ideas,” DeSantis said. “It’s all about articulating what it means to be an American. … That sense of history and understanding, I think, will make a big difference."
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"[I]You only have the political ideals that you do because you don't love America enough. Come look at these monuments and maybe you'll love America more and stop being so stupid. :smug:[/I]"
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51880652]I don't get why some people have to associate a few fucked up politicians with republican supporters or any right winger. I doubt you will find many individuals here who are right wing that want to strip anyone of their rights.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever had a serious discussion with an American right winger?
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51880652]I don't get why some people have to associate a few fucked up politicians with republican supporters or any right winger. I doubt you will find many individuals here who are right wing that want to strip anyone of their rights.[/QUOTE]
Republican voting people kind of have a tendency to vote in these fucked up republican politicians sometimes.
So I mean. The association isn't very far off base.
[quote]Of course, not every Sanders supporter is a willing convert. But Stack says many are persuadable, and he is convinced more will become so during the Trump years: “Right now, it’s just a Bernie Sanders fad … [b]I really believe in what Trump and the Republicans can do with full control — when people see those changes in two or three years, they’ll change on capitalism.”[/b][/quote]
young people will warm up to capitalism when they see their friends and family members lose their health care
[QUOTE=Swiket;51880659]young people will warm up to capitalism when they see their friends and family members lose their health care[/QUOTE]
This post wins the thread. Have all of my stars. Goodnight, everyone.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51880657]Republican voting people kind of have a tendency to vote in these fucked up republican politicians sometimes.
So I mean. The association isn't very far off base.[/QUOTE]
We're talking about a huge chunk of the country though if you associate that with all republicans.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51880662]We're talking about a huge chunk of the country though if you associate that with all republicans.[/QUOTE]
But if they're republican voters, chances are they voted republican.
Which is to say that yes, a huge chunk of the country voted in these terrible politicians, regardless if the voters themselves were "wanting to strip away rights". They voted for the politicians who DO want to strip away rights.
It's hard to [I]not[/I] see an association there.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51880662]We're talking about a huge chunk of the country though if you associate that with all republicans.[/QUOTE]
I'm telling you my man, try having a serious policy debate with a conservative Republican. This is the party of dog whistles, the War in Iraq, only rich people should have healthcare, the poor have too much money, illegals are the biggest problem the country faces, Obama is a Muslim, and now, Trump.
I can't make this stuff up.
[QUOTE]“The old story used to be, ‘Wait until they have a mortgage, and then they’ll become conservative,’” said Timothy F. Mooney, an attendee who is a partner at the Republican political consulting firm Silver Bullet. “I honestly don’t think that’s true anymore.”[/QUOTE]
Because ironically by being unable to afford property or houses, we are outside of the debt-slave classification they would like us to be in - debt slaves cannot afford to protest, and they resent people who do. They work 5 days a week to accumulate nothing because all of their income goes to the cost of living and bills. They rent a home that the bank tells them that they own, but which will be taken away just the same if they are ever unable to pay. Worse, they are contractually obligated to keep paying and to stay in that home regardless of local economic trends, which locks them to their job, drastically limiting their economic and social mobility. Eventually this psychological torture and cognitive dissonance drives them to adopt a conservative world view as the only relief from the impending acknowledgement of their debt-slave status.
It's what I think the mid-life crisis probably is to an extent, in that you realize that your debts essentially no longer matter so long as you can keep paying them because you'll be dead before they are ever collected - so why not live?
[QUOTE=Pascall;51880665]But if they're republican voters, chances are they voted republican.
Which is to say that yes, a huge chunk of the country voted in these terrible politicians, regardless if the voters themselves were "wanting to strip away rights". They voted for the politicians who DO want to strip away rights.
It's hard to [I]not[/I] see an association there.[/QUOTE]
If you really associate the average republican voter with some of these politicians I guess you should start packing your bags because it's going to be a long time until you see the government get their act together by that reasoning.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51880672]If you really associate the average republican voter with some of these politicians I guess you should start packing your bags because it's going to be a long time until you see the governemt get their act together by that reasoning.[/QUOTE]
I would pack my bags if I could afford to pack my bags but [I]alas...[/I]
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;51880669]Because ironically by being unable to afford property or houses, we are outside of the debt-slave classification they would like us to be in - debt slaves cannot afford to protest, and they resent people who do. They work 5 days a week to accumulate nothing because all of their income goes to the cost of living and bills. They rent a home that the bank tells them that they own, but which will be taken away just the same if they are ever unable to pay. Worse, they are contractually obligated to keep paying and to stay in that home regardless of local economic trends, which locks them to their job, drastically limiting their economic and social mobility. Eventually this psychological torture and cognitive dissonance drives them to adopt a conservative world view as the only relief from the impending aknowledgement of their debt-slave status.
It's what I think the mid-life crisis probably is to an extent, in that you realize that your debts essentially no longer matter so long as you can keep paying them because you'll be dead before they are ever collected - so why not live?[/QUOTE]
That is a very dramatic and misinformed assessment of homeownership, lol.
[QUOTE=New Cidem;51880614]Every new generation will be more and more progressive until there's no more progress to be made. That's life, baby. Get used to it.[/QUOTE]
Well then again that's entirely dependant on what one arbitrarily considers progress
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51880677]That is a very dramatic and misinformed assessment of homeownership, lol.[/QUOTE]
It's an assessment of home-ownership which takes into consideration the fact that the cost of buying a home has risen over 300 percent in many areas but wages have still remained relatively stagnant over that same period, in a country which does little and less to protect consumers from predatory (and at times willfully deceptive) lending practices.
It's an assessment coming from a person who has resigned himself to saving up for a plot of land connected to utilities and living in a dual trailer, because at least then he will be able to drop it without hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt when the economy in his region turns south, because having faith in your regional economy at this point is foolishly optimistic.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;51880703]Everytime someone mentions owning a home you post about how we're all misinformed.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say you were [I]all[/I] misinformed, I said that poster was misinformed. And, well, if the shoe fits... My response to FreakyMe [I]was[/I] probably a bit too flippant, though, you're right. I was writing up a clarification, but ya'll responded before I finished.
The only other time in recent memory that this has come up was a couple days ago, and I said "most of the people" in that thread seemed to be misinformed, or otherwise misguided. Frankly, I stand by that. There were a lot of comments being made by people who clearly didn't understand what they were talking about. I'm not saying that to be rude, because some ignorance in this field that among our average poster is to be expected. Facepunch is primarily teenagers and young adults, most of whom have had no actual experience with real estate or the financial sector. There were a lot of assumptions and assertions based on bad info or misunderstandings flying around. This is my professional wheelhouse, so I chime in when I have something relevant to offer.
[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;51880637]I've got to check out some of these monuments if it'll help me understand why Republicans strive to strip others of their rights[/QUOTE]
Been to DC and saw all these monuments personally. They portray our founding fathers like Greek gods, so clearly Republican's minds are too busy being stuck in some mythology to pay attention to reality.
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A picture for reference. He looks more like Hercules than the president :v:
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;51880715]Been to DC and saw all these monuments personally. They portray our founding fathers like Greek gods, so clearly Republican's minds are too busy being stuck in some mythology to pay attention to reality.
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A picture for reference. He looks more like Hercules than the president :v:[/QUOTE]
Aww, you didn't snap a picture of our greatest founding father: Jesus.
Also, those [I]fucking sandals[/I] lmao.
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