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Someone explain the whole Palestine thing to me, I don't understand it at all. From all I can find, Palestine was there, the UN split it into Israel and Palestine and then Israel tried getting more land.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I have no clue
[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;45142784]Someone explain the whole Palestine thing to me, I don't understand it at all. From all I can find, Palestine was there, the UN split it into Israel and Palestine and then Israel tried getting more land.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I have no clue[/QUOTE]
I might be totally wrong but here it goes.
Okay, from what I know, the area that is now Israel was occupied by a bunch of people, most of them the people you would classify as 'Palestinians' (in quotes cause I dunno if thats the right name). During the beginning of the 20th century, it was an area controlled by the British, who then promised they would find some kind of land for the Jews. The whole Holocaust thing happens, and the UN goes "shit we might as well give them some land now". So they go to the Torah and the history books and they see that the Jews have a connection to the land of Israel. The UN draws up a plan that (supposedly, not really sure) gives the Palestine people more land than the Jews, but that doesn't happen (I think both parties did not accept it, or one did and the other didn't), so they draw up the second plan, and that's the one that goes forward. Israel starts immediately getting attacked and it's the beginning of a never-ending rivalry between Israel and pretty much everyone surrounding it.
I think.
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;45142809]I might be totally wrong but here it goes.
Okay, from what I know, the area that is now Israel was occupied by a bunch of people, most of them the people you would classify as 'Palestinians' (in quotes cause I dunno if thats the right name). During the beginning of the 20th century, it was an area controlled by the British, who then promised they would find some kind of land for the Jews. The whole Holocaust thing happens, and the UN goes "shit we might as well give them some land now". So they go to the Torah and the history books and they see that the Jews have a connection to the land of Israel. The UN draws up a plan that (supposedly, not really sure) gives the Palestine people more land than the Jews, but that doesn't happen (I think both parties did not accept it, or one did and the other didn't), so they draw up the second plan, and that's the one that goes forward. Israel starts immediately getting attacked and it's the beginning of a never-ending rivalry between Israel and pretty much everyone surrounding it.
I think.[/QUOTE]
in the original plans Israel had slightly more land than Palestine (I think the ratio was 55% to 45%), but that land consisted mostly of the Negev desert and other territories unoccupied by the Palestinian peoples, the Jewish Agency for Israel accepted it but the Arab League didn't. Other than that you've pretty much got it.
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;45142809]I might be totally wrong but here it goes.
Okay, from what I know, the area that is now Israel was occupied by a bunch of people, most of them the people you would classify as 'Palestinians' (in quotes cause I dunno if thats the right name). During the beginning of the 20th century, it was an area controlled by the British, who then promised they would find some kind of land for the Jews. The whole Holocaust thing happens, and the UN goes "shit we might as well give them some land now". So they go to the Torah and the history books and they see that the Jews have a connection to the land of Israel. The UN draws up a plan that (supposedly, not really sure) gives the Palestine people more land than the Jews, but that doesn't happen (I think both parties did not accept it, or one did and the other didn't), so they draw up the second plan, and that's the one that goes forward. Israel starts immediately getting attacked and it's the beginning of a never-ending rivalry between Israel and pretty much everyone surrounding it.
I think.[/QUOTE]
Israel as a nation formed after Paramilitary groups and Mercenaries started to occupy land while the lines were still being drawn up. Forcing people from their homes, mass looting, war crimes ,etc.
Fun fact, the nation of Israel wasn't formed until after the 1948 war.
The solution: Get rid of religion.
AHAHA.
Really, OP? You've come here just to spread Zionist views?
[QUOTE=NOR_92;45143096]Really, OP? You've come here just to spread Zionist views?[/QUOTE]
I think it's one of those register, post, then leave sorta things.
This dude is amazing (If you have a brain injury)
Even if Israel does want peace it doesn't explain the excess of war crimes and forced evictions of Palestinians who don't care about politics and just want a good life for themselves and their family. Also the idea that a Jewish state is necessary is laughable at best. The world has moved on, antisemitism is almost non-existent in the western world and isn't nearly as widespread as it was before the Second World War. No-one is seriously advocating the disestablishment of Israel as a state, all they want is non-military solution to the conflict, something which people of both sides want irregardless of what their leaders want.
The Jews were there before the Arabs though...?
[quote]In 635 CE, the region, including Jerusalem, was conquered by Arabs. It remained under Muslim control and predominately Muslim occupancy for the next 1300 years.[/quote]
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But this is so long ago, I don't know the ties between the is words "Arab" "Muslim" "Palestinians" even have the same meaning as today
[QUOTE=Glitchman;45143209]The Jews were there before the Arabs though...
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The Romans were in most of Europe before the modern European races, that doesn't mean that most of Europe belongs to Italy. The Native Americans owned all of the American continent before the Europeans came along, that doesn't mean that they should have the whole continent to themselves.
Besides even the Romans referred to the middle eastern region as Palestine.
[QUOTE=The mouse;45143270]The Romans were in most of Europe before the modern European races, that doesn't mean that most of Europe belongs to Italy. The Native Americans owned all of the American continent before the Europeans came along, that doesn't mean that they should have the whole continent to themselves.
Besides even the Romans referred to the middle eastern region as Palestine.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you I just wasn't sure to be honest
5 seconds into the video:
"The jews want peace and the arabs don't"
nonononono Get out get out get out get out
What is the point of this guy?
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;45143465]What is the point of this guy?[/QUOTE]
Someone expressing how they feel about a religion?
What is the point of anyone?
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45143351]5 seconds into the video:
"The jews want peace and the arabs don't"
nonononono Get out get out get out get out[/QUOTE]
almost as if the guy who supported the EDL and BNP was always insane and ludicrously biased
Is this the same guy who's videos are all just "Islam is a religion for savage pigs"
~edgy~
[QUOTE=Cone;45143538]almost as if the guy who supported the EDL and BNP was always insane and ludicrously biased[/QUOTE]
To be fair, he supports Ukip, not any of the full-on racist parties.
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;45143610]Is this the same guy who's videos are all just "Islam is a religion for savage pigs"
~edgy~[/QUOTE]
yes it is and over two hundred dudes agreed with him the last time one of those rants was posted, which is why it's so funny to see him get cut off like an infected limb as soon as it turns out that the eurosceptic jingoist ultranationalist is in fact a deeply hideous shitbag
[editline]18th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=The mouse;45143635]To be fair, he supports Ukip, not any of the full-on racist parties.[/QUOTE]
i recall he said that he didn't understand the problem with the EDL or BNP, which in itself is pretty much a declaration of support from the leap of ignorance that kinda remark requires. i just find it pretty amusing that we all joke about the Daily Mail but when the poster-boy for their exact philosophy and method shows up we support him without a second thought
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