Clashes as France demolishes refugee camp at Calais - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35686209"]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35686209[/URL] [QUOTE]Clashes have broken out in the French port of Calais where demolition teams are dismantling huts in part of a migrant camp known as the Jungle. Riot police fired tear gas after migrants began throwing boulders inside the camp. Water cannon was also used to extinguish a fire in one of the shacks. The demolition teams seem to be leaving inhabited huts intact as they move through the camp's southern sector. The government plans to relocate migrants to reception centres.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Officials say migrants can either move into heated container accommodation in the northern sector of the camp, where there is room for 1,500 people, move to similar accommodation centres elsewhere in France or claim asylum in France. "We try to tell them that they are free... to make their own decisions,'' Nathalie Seys of the social services department told the AP news agency last week, "and that, unlike what we are hearing, they will not be prisoners." Many residents are reluctant to leave the Calais area. "Going to Britain... is what people [here] want," Afghan migrant Hayat Sirat told AP. "So destroying part of the jungle is not the solution."[/QUOTE]

This is going down in history as one of the biggest civic fuckups ever isn't it?

I don't think the idea of helping migrants and refugees is bad/wrong. The execution was just horrible.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;49839160]This is going down in history as one of the biggest civic fuckups ever isn't it?[/QUOTE] The European Union fucked up things really bad right from the start.They acted too slow,communications between the member-states was shit and they took in more than we could help.Not to mention the "economic" migrants that flowed en masse,that certainly didn´t help.And also those meetings to discuss the crisis which were nothing but a waste of precious time to avert this.

[QUOTE=Sgt.Kickass;49839196]The European Union fucked up things really bad right from the start.[/QUOTE] How so specifically? Care to explain at all?

[QUOTE=Satansick;49839207]How so specifically? Care to explain at all?[/QUOTE] Doing things against peoples will - importing culture who is known to be Islamic in big numbers.

[QUOTE=Fourier;49839220]Doing things against peoples will - importing culture who is known to be Islamic in big numbers.[/QUOTE] No as i said they acted too slowly to the crisis.

[QUOTE=Satansick;49839207]How so specifically? Care to explain at all?[/QUOTE] Bringing in hundreds of thousands of people from a totally non-democratic, and overall trash culture in regards to human rights. Was bound to fucking fail right from the start. We all knew it, but we were called racist bigoted inhuman scum for saying it. Now we have to swallow the turd the multi-culti, hyper-liberal activists and press-members shovelled into our faces.

They don't wanna live in mainland Europe, nope it has to the UK. Really shows that beggers can be choosers..

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49839323]They don't wanna live in mainland Europe, nope it has to the UK. Really shows that beggers can be choosers..[/QUOTE] And some of them even go back to wherever they came from, since Finland, the Netherlands and Luxembourg aren't to their standards. This got to be the most picky and entitled bunch of ''''refugees'''' in history.

Those are the economic refugees.I think we only should have took in the ones that were in real eminent danger if they returned to their homeland,the ones that [B]actually needed[/B] help.

[QUOTE=Fourier;49839220]Doing things against peoples will - importing culture who is known to be Islamic in big numbers.[/QUOTE] It's called "Muslim"

to put it simply, this was a complete mess because many countries didn't differentiate between migrants and refugees

[QUOTE=Killuah;49839394]It's called "Muslim"[/QUOTE] Perhaps he wasn't being racist, and instead meant "Islamist", which is a political movement?

Yes please throw boulders at security forces and expect to get over here. It's purely for our welfare system and benefits. Honestly these economical migrants can get fucked.

[quote]Total camp population is disputed - Calais officials say it houses 3,700, while Help Refugees puts it at 5,497 Figures for the southern half (facing immediate eviction threat) are estimated at either 800-1,000 or 3,455 There are 205 women and 651 children ([b]423 unaccompanied[/b]), says Help Refugees[/quote] What the hell, how did they even get there !?

[quote]"Going to Britain... is what people [here] want,[/quote] Yeah well tough shit. People can't have everything. Also those humanitary groups and people helping these scum and the people who are against demolishing that dump can go fuck themselves as well. They are basically enabling these people to break the law, terrorize the people living there and people passing by, and ruin the area and be above everyone else just because they are "refugees" in a completely safe country.

Why would they even want to go to the UK? The UK is more conservative and harder to reach than most of Europe.

[QUOTE=Lurr;49839479]Why would they even want to go to the UK? The UK is more conservative and harder to reach than most of Europe.[/QUOTE] We have the NHS and a crazy slack benefits system.

[QUOTE=Lurr;49839479]Why would they even want to go to the UK? The UK is more conservative and harder to reach than most of Europe.[/QUOTE] Welfare and a vast black economy means they can easily get the livelihood they want.

[QUOTE=Sgt.Kickass;49839196]The European Union fucked up things really bad right from the start.They acted too slow,communications between the member-states was shit and they took in more than we could help.Not to mention the "economic" migrants that flowed en masse,that certainly didn´t help.And also those meetings to discuss the crisis which were nothing but a waste of precious time to avert this.[/QUOTE] Let's hope this will pressure the Union into much needed revamps, instead of ripping it apart.

Agreed.Let´s hope for the best.

[QUOTE=proch;49839497]Let's hope this will pressure the Union into much needed revamps, instead of ripping it apart.[/QUOTE] When I look at the people in charge now, they seem they'd rather divide Europe than refuse to look as progressive as they can

No shit.

[QUOTE=Fourier;49839220]Doing things against peoples will - importing culture who is known to be Islamic in big numbers.[/QUOTE] Ahh yes big numbers like not even single percent points of the population for most countries. Very big indeed. Don't look at the raw numbers when looking at refugee influx, compare it against the actual populations of the country, otherwise it's far too easy to scaremonger and falsely represent the intake for many countries. The countries genuinely suffering are those that we are essentially holding the refugees who are applying for asylum in, well I say countries, it's pretty much just Jordan for the most part. European countries themselves are taking in insignificant numbers of people relative to their populations. We have more than enough resources and infrastructure to handle this.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49839574]Ahh yes big numbers like not even single percent points of the population for most countries. Very big indeed. Don't look at the raw numbers when looking at refugee influx, compare it against the actual populations of the country, otherwise it's far too easy to scaremonger and falsely represent the intake for many countries. The countries genuinely suffering are those that we are essentially holding the refugees who are applying for asylum in, well I say countries, it's pretty much just Jordan for the most part. European countries themselves are taking in insignificant numbers of people relative to their populations. [B]We have more than enough resources and infrastructure to handle this.[/B][/QUOTE] No doubt there, but are we doing it correctly? Are we ensuring that we do the best we can? they're only doing it for PR reasons and to look nice, if they really cared they'd try to be competent and efficient about it, but no, lets put 10,000 immigrants in villages of 3,500

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;49839614]No doubt there, but are we doing it correctly? Are we ensuring that we do the best we can? they're only doing it for PR reasons and look nice, if they really cared they'd try to be competent and efficient about it, but no, lets put 10,000 immigrants in villages of 3,500[/QUOTE] Oh god no, we could totally be organising the efforts better. But we're doing what we can on short notice at least. Much like many other things, our current attempts aren't perfect, and likely never will be perfect. But it's hard to know how to improve until you've tried it, after all we can't simulate this kind of thing.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49839574]Ahh yes big numbers like not even single percent points of the population for most countries. Very big indeed. Don't look at the raw numbers when looking at refugee influx, compare it against the actual populations of the country, otherwise it's far too easy to scaremonger and falsely represent the intake for many countries. The countries genuinely suffering are those that we are essentially holding the refugees who are applying for asylum in, well I say countries, it's pretty much just Jordan for the most part. European countries themselves are taking in insignificant numbers of people relative to their populations. We have more than enough resources and infrastructure to handle this.[/QUOTE] Check out these numbers; from September to December 2015 over 500 000 migrants crossed Croatia, that is more than 10 % of the entire population, 25% if you compare it to Slovenia which they crossed next. Numbers and statistics are a tricky bitch, you can say it's only a small percentage of the entire population, or you could go as far as saying Europe has gained a population of a small country, it's all relative.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49839574]Ahh yes big numbers like not even single percent points of the population for most countries. Very big indeed. Don't look at the raw numbers when looking at refugee influx, compare it against the actual populations of the country, otherwise it's far too easy to scaremonger and falsely represent the intake for many countries. The countries genuinely suffering are those that we are essentially holding the refugees who are applying for asylum in, well I say countries, it's pretty much just Jordan for the most part. European countries themselves are taking in insignificant numbers of people relative to their populations. We have more than enough resources and infrastructure to handle this.[/QUOTE] They are not going to get spread out so your "relative numbers" doesn't hold out. They will accumulate somewhere. There will be separation. Natives and "new ones". "no-go zones" are formed where even police doesn't want to go. This is not racist thing, this is just how human nature works.

[QUOTE]"Going to Britain... is what people [here] want,"[/QUOTE] Too bad, you're not getting in. We don't want violent, anti-integration migrants here at all. Be happy that you're not being shot at in some third-world hellhole, we're not gonna offer you everything on a plate.