California schoolchidren now need to take vaccinations - Polidicks

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/us/california-vaccines-religious-and-personal-exemptions.html?_r=0[/url] [quote]SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Schoolchildren in California would be required to be vaccinated unless there is a medical reason not to do so under a sweeping bill approved by the State Assembly on Thursday. The measure would end exemptions for personal or religious reasons, routinely requested by parents opposed to vaccines. The legislation would make California the largest state by far with such requirements for childhood vaccinations as it joins West Virginia and Mississippi, which have had similar laws for years[/quote] I didn't live near this un-vaccination craze and I never will.

Good. Lock the parents up next if they're so retarded to the point where they still think vaccines are bad.

Good. As I understand it most of the anti-vacc people are trendy hipster types or whatever. Should be a nice blow to them.

[quote]But Christina Hildebrand, the founder of A Voice for Choice, a nonprofit organization that has lobbied against the bill, said, “Parental freedom is being taken away by this because the fear of contagion is trumping it.”[/quote] uh its not that simple The question of choice is an important issue but sometimes the bigger picture is more important - just because parents don't know about the bigger picture or insist on maintaining outdated or misguided beliefs doesn't invalidate that not vaccinating your children doesn't cause real problems; the most vulnerable members of the population may be at risk if in pockets of low vaccination incidence, children with poor or nonexistent immune status are that much more at risk of catching an illness that could prove potentially fatal, and a more long term line of thinking, even herd immunity, which is an important component in protecting vulnerable individuals in any age group, might break down if this is allowed to continue on a long term basis. There's some cases where the public good outweigh an individual's choices, and with there being overwhelming evidence that vaccines are safe to use and conclusively do not cause any harm if properly administered, and indeed do a lot of good by helping prevent diseases from occurring in the first place, I just don't fucking understand why people can be so stubborn in their misguided beliefs, or protesting for its own sake.

I live in California and I remember needing to be vaccinated for school. What am I missing?

[QUOTE=Dougz;48054651]I live in California and I remember needing to be vaccinated for school. What am I missing?[/QUOTE] No more personal or religious exemptions.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48054648]Good. As I understand it most of the anti-vacc people are trendy hipster types or whatever. Should be a nice blow to them.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Some vaccine opponents predict a rise in home-schooling as a result of the measure.[/QUOTE] Perhaps we've doomed some kids...

[quote]The debate has been unusually mordant. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. traveled through the state this spring, [b]screening a documentary purporting to show the dangers of vaccinations for children. After he likened mandatory vaccines to the Holocaust, he later apologized.[/b] And this month, a Nation of Islam leader denounced inoculation requirements, comparing such a mandate to the infamous [b]Tuskegee syphilis experiments.[/b][/quote] apparently mandatory vaccinations are now the same as the holocaust, for whatever use that is. I'll never understand attempting to gain political mileage over such things, no matter how hard I try. :suicide:

I've heard about this story for a while since my gf is an RN and I'm glad this is finally happening. As someone who conducts scientific research I was confused that there were people actually opposed to the idea of vaccinations. It's one of those things that when you look at it you just cannot understand the other side. They seem crazy if you try to look at it with any objectivity. Is it the tiny chance of an allergic reaction? What is the main argument when it comes to opposing vaccinations?

[QUOTE=TheGunIsGood;48054705]I've heard about this story for a while since my gf is an RN and I'm glad this is finally happening. As someone who conducts scientific research I was confused that there were people actually opposed to the idea of vaccinations. It's one of those things that when you look at it you just cannot understand the other side. They seem crazy if you try to look at it with any objectivity. Is it the tiny chance of an allergic reaction? What is the main argument when it comes to opposing vaccinations?[/QUOTE] There is no logical argument against it. It's just conspiritards doing what they do best: making no sense and being a general detriment to the human race.

What I've learned about the whole "vaccines cause autism" thing: Apparently the age that autism shows up is the same age that you usually get vaccines for all kinds of shit when you're a kid. So, with the high volumes of kids with autism and the fact that everyone gets a vaccine at that age, statistically some kids are going to be diagnosed with autism immediately after the vaccine, thus causing parents that think correlation = causation to go "this vaccine gave my baby autism! He was diagnosed [B]hours[/B] after the vaccine!"

OK, the autism thing I have heard of. My gf has an autistic cousin and actually had a confrontation with someone who asked when they had their first vaccination. She immediately put he hand up and said "Bye." and walked away. She knew exactly where it was going and I assume has to deal with this a lot as an RN where people refuse medications and vaccinations due to insane reasoning. What would be considered a religious exception though?

please god oh mercy will you not let the anti-vax californians move up to sweet home washington, i'm afraid we have too many as it is

[QUOTE=TheGunIsGood;48054769]OK, the autism thing I have heard of. My gf has an autistic cousin and actually had a confrontation with someone who asked when they had their first vaccination. She immediately put he hand up and said "Bye." and walked away. She knew exactly where it was going and I assume has to deal with this a lot as an RN where people refuse medications and vaccinations due to insane reasoning. What would be considered a religious exception though?[/QUOTE] It varies based on state law in the USA. The important things to note in the case of a religious exemption are two in number, namely sincere holding of belief (esp. if they deem the state forcing mandatory vaccination as being contrary to said beliefs) and that their beliefs are personal, and articulated in such a way, in both written and verbal form, that their beliefs are religious and not secular in nature, and in a format that will hold up to scrutiny in a court of law. There is also a philosophical or conscientious system of objection to vaccination which is still legal in some states, but the parents, or children of consenting age, should sign a formal statement that objects to all forms of vaccination and not say, one or two.

Am I the only one who read it as Vacations?

[QUOTE=ash47;48054865]Am I the only one who read it as Vacations?[/QUOTE] You aren't only. Anyway, this is a good move, I am glad that they are doing this and I wish to see more schools, and just places in general, do this. Anti-Vaccination is not a good thing at all.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48054670]Perhaps we've doomed some kids...[/QUOTE] We? [I]Their parents[/I] doom their kids when they choose not to vaccinate them for their stupid reasons.

[QUOTE=Ithon;48054569][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/us/california-vaccines-religious-and-personal-exemptions.html?_r=0[/url] I didn't live near this un-vaccination craze and I never will.[/QUOTE] Why were vaccinations not mandatory in the first place? We're talking serious vaccines like polio and measles, not just ordinary flu shots, right?

[B]GOOD.[/B] I still think it should be required by law. [QUOTE=Dougz;48054651]I live in California and I remember needing to be vaccinated for school. What am I missing?[/QUOTE] That means your parents aren't crazy. :v:

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48054648]Good. As I understand it most of the anti-vacc people are trendy hipster types or whatever. Should be a nice blow to them.[/QUOTE] Anti-vaccers are typically religious folks and people afraid of autism (people who bought into that false study). I've not met a single person under the age of 30, outside of those two groups, that isn't strongly pro-vaccination. If anything, the "trendy hipster" folks are the most pro-vaccination of all, other than doctors.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48054670]Perhaps we've doomed some kids...[/QUOTE] I am thoroughly convinced that a smart child will end up relatively intelligent regardless of environment and circumstance. Not too worried about it.

[quote] it joins West Virginia and Mississippi, [/quote] well that was unexpected

Didn't the "doctor" who published the study that claimed Autism is linked to vaccination get his Medical licence revoked?

[QUOTE=Most wanteD;48055148]Anti-vaccers are typically religious folks and people afraid of autism (people who bought into that false study). I've not met a single person under the age of 30, outside of those two groups, that isn't strongly pro-vaccination. If anything, the "trendy hipster" folks are the most pro-vaccination of all, other than doctors.[/QUOTE] False study is not an adequate term. That study used doctored data (or made up entirely) and was funded by biased sources. Frankly the guy running it was a wackjob as well, he once interrupted a kids birthday party to ask everyone to take blood tests. The fact that people listen to him to "protect" their kids is beyond me

Im just curious because everyone seems to blindly follow what their 'government' tells them, have any of you even read the inserts that come with vaccine boxes? No? Didnt think so. If these are so safe then why do they plainly state that vaccine recipients can actually carry the disease around and infect people that have all these compromised immune systems everyone is so worried about. Just the Adjuvants alone should raise a big red flag. [QUOTE]French time-management specialist Aucun Choix—who was not consulted during the negotiations with drug companies that preceded the mandate—commented that "removing choice is one of the most basic steps you can take to [B]simplify your life[/B]," noting that Americans suffer an inordinate amount of [B]stress[/B] as a result of having too many choices. "Making vaccination decisions is an arduous task involving lots of reading and information processing," he said, "and this is time Americans can now spend on [B]less stressful activities such as eating and watching television with their families or texting friends[/B]. They should [B]embrace the opportunity to relinquish the responsibility of making medical choices[/B] to those who have graduated from medical school and have [B]no doubts about vaccine safety[/B]. It is a [B]complete waste of time for non-medical professionals to research the subject of vaccines[/B] because [B]federal health agencies receive a lot of money from the pharmaceutical industry[/B] to fast track vaccines to licensure and maintain very high quality control standards."[/QUOTE] He sounds like a fucking SS officer that's telling you everything will be fine after the Zyklon B shot. Look at all those buzzwords I'm really shocked that basically everyone on FP has no concept of even questioning these people, "FEDERAL HEALTH AGENCIES RECEIVE A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY" HMM MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT. I mean come on us that noodle and see past the big money lies.

[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;48057444]Im just curious because everyone seems to blindly follow what their 'government' tells them, have any of you even read the inserts that come with vaccine boxes? No? Didnt think so. If these are so safe then why do they plainly state that vaccine recipients can actually carry the disease around and infect people that have all these compromised immune systems everyone is so worried about.[/QUOTE] Vaccines are weakened versions of a virus. You build immunity to those diseases by having weakened versions attacked by your bodies immune system, so when the full strength virus comes around your body can readily fight it because it's fought something like it before. Take the tinfoil off. I mean for fucks sake you never looked in a fucking history book before? It literally goes over this discovery in the late 1700's.

Anti-vaxers shouldn't have the right to breed. Better off having no children of their own rather than dangerously risking their children's health.

[QUOTE]"French time-management specialist Aucun Choix—who was not consulted during the negotiations with drug companies that preceded the mandate—commented that "[B]removing choice is one of the most basic steps you can take to simplify your life[/B]," noting that Americans suffer an inordinate amount of stress as a result of having too many choices." [/QUOTE] If this guy doesn't strike you as some authoritarian asshole, I don't know what will.

[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;48057444]Look at all those buzzwords I'm really shocked that basically everyone on FP has no concept of even questioning these people, "FEDERAL HEALTH AGENCIES RECEIVE A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY" HMM MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT. I mean come on us that noodle and see past the big money lies.[/QUOTE] you know, you are right about the pharmaceutical industry and how corrupt it is. However, their corruption lie within narcotics and other highly expensive drugs that people take daily. its a billion dollar business that does have problems. But those big companies dont care much about vaccines, which are cheap (or out right free) and are taken every few years. Its like a drop in the ocean. Perhaps if you read things past the sensationalist headline, you would know this.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48057551]Vaccines are weakened versions of a virus. You build immunity to those diseases by having weakened versions attacked by your bodies immune system, so when the full strength virus comes around your body can readily fight it because it's fought something like it before. Take the tinfoil off. I mean for fucks sake you never looked in a fucking history book before? It literally goes over this discovery in the late 1700's.[/QUOTE] You just proved my point. Weakened doesnt mean safe. The talking point that is the Immune Compromise people is a complete farse these people can get a staph infection from swimming in a lake and die. So to say we are protecting them is loonacy. And for fuck sake have you even looked at the history books? We can contribute more to hygiene, improved diets, and antibiotics than we can to the actual outcome from vaccines. Say you lived in the sixties and contracted measles. You would pull through unless you were very young, immunocompromised, or old and even then you would most likely live, in 1968 there were around 10,000 cases, only 1% died. It was most likely contributed to secondary infections were the real reason why people were dying. Common opportunistic bacteria to cause complications were streptococcus, pneumococcus and H. influenzae. Everyone who is clamoring for all this mandatory vaccine bullshit is living in 60's polio and measles hysteria. I get it you're scared. You should be thankful we don't live in a 3rd world hell hole that has no concept of hygiene, medicine, or even the viruses themselves (ebola anyone?). Everyone needs to stop fear mongering over this. And to top it all off the people who spread measles in disneyland are all completely fine now. Look Im all for vaccines but not this way. Not funded by special interest groups, not controlled by giant pharmaceutical companies and not filled with dangerous adjuvants. Aluminum: Aluminum is present in many things around us. It’s in food, air, water, and soil and is said to be harmless when swallowed because it doesn’t absorb into the body when consumed. Aluminum is put into vaccines as an adjuvant to help them “work better” or to “enhance” them. So what is the concern about injecting aluminum into the blood stream? According to the FDA: “Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration [this means injected into the body] if kidney function is impaired . . . Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates [babies], who received parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day, accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity [for a tiny newborn, this toxic dose would be 10 to 20 micrograms, and for an adult it would be about 350 micrograms]. Tissue loading may occur at even lower rates of administration.” [Department of Health and Human Services, Food and Drug Administration, Document NDA 19-626/S-019, Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act for Dextrose Injections.] And also: “Aluminum content in parenteral drug products could result in a toxic accumulation of aluminum in individuals receiving TPN therapy. Research indicates that neonates [newborns] and patient populations with impaired kidney function may be at high risk of exposure to unsafe amounts of aluminum. Studies show that aluminum may accumulate in the bone, urine, and plasma of infants receiving TPN. Many drug products used in parenteral therapy [injections] may contain levels of aluminum sufficiently high to cause clinical manifestations [symptoms] . . . parenteral aluminum bypasses the protective mechanism of the GI tract and aluminum circulates and is deposited in human tissues. Aluminum toxicity is difficult to identify in infants because few reliable techniques are available to evaluate bone metabolism in . . . infants . . . Although aluminum toxicity is not commonly detected clinically, it can be serious in selected patient populations, such as neonates [newborns], and may be more common than is recognized.” [Department of Health and Human Services, Food and Drug Administration, Document 02N-0496, Aluminum in Large and Small Volume Parenterals Used in Total Parenteral Nutrition. Available online at: [url]http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/oc0367.pdf][/url] So basically from those documents we learn that if a premature baby receives more than 10 mcg of aluminum in an IV, it can accumulate in their bones and brain, and can be toxic. The FDA maximum requirements for aluminum received in an IV is 25 mcg per day. The suggested aluminum per kg of weight to give to a person is up to 5mcg. (so a 5 pounds baby should get no more than 11mcg of aluminum.) Anything that has more than 25 mcg of aluminum is *supposed* to have a label that says: WARNING: This product contains aluminum that may be toxic. Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration if kidney function is impaired. Premature neonates are particularly at risk because their kidneys are immature, and they require large amounts of calcium and phosphate solutions, which contain aluminum. Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates, who receive parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 [micro]g/kg/day accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity. Tissue loading may occur at even lower rates of administration. [[url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=201.323][/url] — Vaccines, for some reason, are not required to have this label and also are not required to follow the maximum dosage of 25 mcg. So doing some math — the following are examples of weight with their corresponding maximum levels of aluminum, per the FDA: 8 pound, healthy baby: 18.16 mcg of aluminum 15 pound, healthy baby: 34.05 mcg of aluminum 30 pound, healthy toddler: 68.1 mcg of aluminum 50 pound, healthy child: 113 mcg of aluminum 150 pound adult: 340.5 mcg of aluminum 350 pound adult: 794.5 mcg of aluminum So how much aluminum is in the vaccines that are routinely given to children? Hib (PedVaxHib brand only) – 225 mcg per shot Hepatitis B – 250 mcg DTaP – depending on the manufacturer, ranges from 170 to 625 mcg Pneumococcus – 125 mcg Hepatitis A – 250 mcg HPV – 225 mcg Pentacel (DTaP, HIB and Polio combo vaccine) – 330 mcg Pediarix (DTaP, Hep B and Polio combo vaccine) – 850 mcg At birth, most children are given the hepatitis B vaccination. The amount of aluminum in the Hepatitis B vaccine alone is almost 14 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF ALUMINUM THAT IS FDA-APPROVED. My best friend has some serious kidney damage from aluminum toxicity from vaccines I KNOW FIRST HAND these results and mandatory vaccination is not the answer.