Israeli settlers attack civilians in Hebron; 9-year old hit by Israeli settler car in Bethlehem - Polidicks

[quote]On Monday night, a Palestinian identified as Sajed Sultan, 19, was seriously wounded in the head when Israeli settlers marched through the city of Hebron demanding vengeance.Israeli troops closed all entrances to the city of Hebron and the village of Halhoul, near Hebron, where the bodies of the settlers were found on Monday. Israeli extremists attacked two Palestinians in Jerusalem. A taxi driver was sprayed with pepper spray, and a second man was beaten by Israeli settlers in West Jerusalem. A child was seriously wounded Monday night when an Israeli settler ran her down. Sanabel Attous, 9, from Jab’a village southwest of Bethlehem was hit by an Israeli car which witnesses say deliberately ran her down.[/quote] [img]http://www.imemc.org/cache/imagecache/local/attachments/jul2014/460_0___10000000_0_0_0_0_0_childwounded.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.imemc.org/article/68291[/url]

[quote]A child was seriously wounded Monday night when an Israeli settler ran her down. Sanabel Attous, 9, from Jab’a village southwest of Bethlehem was hit by an Israeli car which witnesses say deliberately ran her down.[/quote] Disgustingly hypocritical if true, although I'm pretty sure the witnesses would be biased in one way or another.

The cycle of violence between Israel and Palestine shows no evidence of slowing down.

A vicious cycle where neither are going to be able to claim moral superiority just leads to further disgusting behaviour.

Bias source? [thumb]http://puu.sh/9SVC8/fd0ec8b7bd.png[/thumb] Can I post stuff from [URL="jstreet.org"]jstreet.org[/URL] ?

[QUOTE=MuTAnT;45268188]The cycle of violence between Israel and Palestine shows no evidence of slowing down.[/QUOTE] It's not a cycle when the violence comes, overwhelmingly, from one side.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45268267]Bias source? [thumb]http://puu.sh/9SVC8/fd0ec8b7bd.png[/thumb] Can I post stuff from [URL="http://jstreet.org"]jstreet.org[/URL] ?[/QUOTE] They are a reporting center for occurrences in palestine. Make sense? They don't claim to be anything else. Jstreet is an american advocacy group, completely different.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;45268276]It's not a cycle when the violence comes, overwhelmingly, from one side.[/QUOTE] However one-sided the escalation may be, a cycle of "revenge violence" it will remain.

[QUOTE=deadoon;45268316]They are a reporting center for occurrences in palestine. Make sense? They don't claim to be anything else. Jstreet is an american advocacy group, completely different.[/QUOTE] It's a bias source with the only evidence being of some unknown witnesses Read the article, there are no sources for anything, even the translations.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45268370]It's a bias source with the only evidence being of some unknown witnesses Read the article, there are no sources for anything, even the translations.[/QUOTE] They are an initial reporting agency, they are the primary(or secondary) source in many cases, their image links to the original poster of it. Who just recently changed his handle(as evidenced by the page having simmilar stats from google cache to live) from [URL="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:067rSopjCMQJ:https://twitter.com/PAL_1948+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us"]this[/URL] to [URL="https://twitter.com/NasserBI"]this[/URL]. They are legitimate, their bias is easily interpreted due to being based in and only reporting local news.

[QUOTE=deadoon;45268454]They are an initial reporting agency, they are the primary(or secondary) source in many cases, their image links to the original poster of it. Who just recently changed his handle(as evidenced by the page having simmilar stats from google cache to live) from [URL="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:067rSopjCMQJ:https://twitter.com/PAL_1948+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us"]this[/URL] to [URL="https://twitter.com/NasserBI"]this[/URL]. They are legitimate, their bias is easily interpreted due to being based in and only reporting local news.[/QUOTE] Twitter as a source, makes them legitmate? rofl [editline]2nd July 2014[/editline] Also, I can imagine Lamar, sitting all day mashing F5 with the related search word :v: Look at this shit [IMG]http://puu.sh/9SYgP/0bfe33788d.png[/IMG] no pics, no nothing. Really professional and trustworthy.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45268520]Twitter as a source, makes them legitmate? rofl [editline]2nd July 2014[/editline] Also, I can imagine Lamar, sitting all day mashing F5 with the related search word :v:[/QUOTE] Source of the pictures, do you still have a reading problem? The reports are from themselves, as would be expected from a secondary source. They are not a purely secondary news agency like most are. They are a site for independent reporters which are mostly the primary sources, what part of that do you not understand? [QUOTE] Look at this shit [IMG]http://puu.sh/9SYgP/0bfe33788d.png[/IMG] no pics, no nothing. Really professional and trustworthy.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/NasserBI/media[/url] [url]https://twitter.com/NasserBI/status/483735959062589440[/url] Seriously, learn to use a website first, and also that is a retweet, not something from him directly.

[QUOTE=deadoon;45268565]Source of the pictures, do you still have a reading problem? The reports are from themselves, as would be expected from a secondary source. They are not a purely secondary news agency like most are. They are a site for independent reporters which are mostly the primary sources, what part of that do you not understand?[/QUOTE] They aren't legitimate tho, they provide no sources of their claims what so ever, look at the tweet above. no pic, no interview with a victim(not really trust worthy), nothing.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45268576]They aren't legitimate tho, they provide no sources of their claims what so ever, look at the tweet above. no pic, no interview with a victim(not really trust worthy), nothing.[/QUOTE] You do know what a primary source is right?

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;45268276]It's not a cycle when the violence comes, overwhelmingly, from one side.[/QUOTE] Hamas did not exist.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45268576]They aren't legitimate tho, they provide no sources of their claims what so ever, look at the tweet above. no pic, no interview with a victim(not really trust worthy), nothing.[/QUOTE] If you are the source you don't provide a source obviously...

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;45268276]It's not a cycle when the violence comes, overwhelmingly, from one side.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014[/url]

It must be noted: Settlers are not the IDF, nor are they an instrument to their agenda. [B]The settlers have even attacked the IDF in the past. They are regarded as militants too.[/B] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/world/middleeast/israel-charges-5-settlers-in-clash-at-army-base.html?_r=0[/url] I disagree heavily with the settler's response, and am repulsed by the alleged treatment of the child. However, I can understand their anger, for Israeli have been subjected to rocket volleys (which are going to continue) from Hamas terrorists. I hate to pull I disagree heavily with the settler's response, and am repulsed by the alleged treatment of the child. However, I can understand their anger, for Israeli have been subjected to rocket volleys (which are going to continue) from Hamas terrorists. But, given your bias- you'll go out of your way to pin an isolated (but horrific) incident perpetrated by mad bigots on the entire nation of Israel.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;45268276]It's not a cycle when the violence comes, overwhelmingly, from one side.[/QUOTE] I never thought someone could put so much bullshit and complete blindness to one side in one sentence, congrats! adding to sloppy_joes come live here for a while, you'd get used to hearing about these types of incidents (first two at the top of my head): [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack[/url] [url]http://www.timesofisrael.com/soldier-in-critical-condition-after-palestinian-stabs-him/[/url] and dont forget suicide bombings which have toned down in the last years. They used to be usual incidents over here. I can personally say that living under missile fire is terrible, my city was hit several times in past wars. There has been a lot of tension in the air due to finding out about the kidnapped boys murder, the police have been straining to prevent 'civilian vengence' actions from both sides. and finally- don't turn this to a 'who posts the worst article' contest. I do not wish for violence, or to see and remember any more violence against any human being, only against those responsible for murder.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;45268276]It's not a cycle when the violence comes, overwhelmingly, from one side.[/QUOTE] ... the side of the rockets?

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45270169][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014[/URL][/QUOTE] 0 deaths. 0 injuries. Just because someone shoots their pellet gun often to counter the power of an AC-130, does not mean the power of the pellet gun is comparable to that of the AC-130. There is the rare chance death would result, but that is the culmination of over 10+ years of pellet gun shootings. These projectiles from the Strip are very ineffective and is the only reason why Israel allows them to partially persist. The Wiki article is really shit, ignoring the obvious spelling/grammatical errors that resulted from this painstakingly obvious [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY"]propaganda-driven[/URL] article, it fails to discriminate between attacks on IDF soldiers and civilians or even potential false alarms. [quote] April 6 In the Sha'ar HaNegev Regional Council, near a kibbuz, was heard an explosion of a mortar shell. No red alert siren sounded before. No one was hurt, no damage reported[/quote] "was heard an explosion of a mortar shell, but no red alert sounded before" -- OK so this non-English speaking person meant to say that an explosion was heard but the red alert siren did not go off. The sound of an explosion could mean anything, and the sirens failure to detect it probably means it wasn't a mortar. But adding it to the Wikipedia article anyways emits the illusion of a "longer" article. [quote] May 21 Lots of mortar shells were fired at IDF forces on the Gaza boarder. No injuries, damages in attack.[42][/quote] "Lots of mortar shells" used to attack military targets, not civilians. The poorly written Wikipedia article deliberately fails to discriminate that. But adding it to the article makes it appear longer because every Israeli has to supposedly live under rocket fire every day. [quote] April 3 The "Code Red" siren was heard 3 times in a row in the evening. No rocket landing were identified, therefore the rockets came down within Gaza.[26][/quote] No words... The second sentence is not even backed by the source the writer cited which makes me doubt the authenticty of the other statements in the article. This is a really shitty article that is illegitimately-inflated for the sole purpose of countering the arguments that highlight Israel's disproportionate military assaults. By posting what initially appears to be a long list of attacks Israel is enduring, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_Accuracy_in_Middle_East_Reporting_in_America#CAMERA_campaign_in_Wikipedia"]whoever wrote the article[/URL] seeks to deceive those who care not to read in order to justify Israel's wanton retaliation.

[QUOTE=Zuimzado;45270382]... the side of the rockets?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he's talking about the side with the absurdly huge civilian kill count.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45270498]0 deaths. 0 injuries. [/QUOTE] Fuck you, Starpluck. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN4EiqgC0Cs]This is what a katyusha missile attack looks like, from a bit up close.[/url] The only exception is that this one was filmed in Syria, not Israel. The BM-21 Grad missiles used by Hamas to strike targets are no different- They're actually bigger. 0 deaths? 0 Injuries? What kind of stupid, bullshit argument is this? have you considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, that figure is because Israel installs bomb shelters in every fucking street corner? Oh, but i'll bet you'll just adore living with that stuff hitting you for months and years on end. Nothing significant really. Just having to live with concrete bunkers and an armored train station all over your fucking town, or not letting your children play outside because you're afraid the alarms will go off, or living in a town where [url=http://www.natal.org.il/English/?CategoryID=244&ArticleID=282]a quarter of all adults[/url] and [url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-survey-almost-half-of-sderot-preteens-show-symptoms-of-ptsd.premium-1.479113]half of all children are diagnosed with PTSD.[/url] Fucking cakewalk. But oh, as you might point out, these things don't matter- after all, Palestinians suffer way more than that! Your grandpa raped someone 14 times, so you shouldn't even open your mouth. You were only raped [i]twice[/i], quit whining. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9HXAoV7Zw]Here's another video from Syria, skip and pause at 0:14.[/url] See that little hole in the wall? Pretty similar to that bullshit "oh, Hamas's missiles are just creating small dents in the ground/building!" picture you keep posting all the time. Now go back to the video, watch the actual impact, and tell me you'd want to live next to this kind of shit, that repeats itself for months if not years. Oh, but i'm sure they'll just stop if Israel fixes all the horrendous shit it does in the West Bank and Gaza. I'm sure that the group that did things [url=http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes]such as these[/url] are totally doing this out of their fight for the Palestinian people's liberty, not because they're extremist murderous assholes that have no value for human life. Yeah, that's totally the reason. You know what the fucked up thing is? You changed my mind about this conflict, and it stuck. My entire political opinion changed primarily because of you, and because I thought you were fair. A bit biased maybe, but fair. But now I realize how much full of shit you really are. Talking to me on steam about how "Hezbollah are totally a legit organization!" When they currently insert a military force into the middle of a civil war in order to, according to them, prevent armed conflict from spilling into their country by propping up a regime that will support them, regardless of the horrors it and its followers commits. And how do they justify it? By saying that terrorists are at their borders, attacking their towns with missiles, and the alternative will be worse. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War]I wonder where I've seen that shit before.[/url]

[QUOTE=Glorbo;45275095]Fuck you, Starpluck. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN4EiqgC0Cs]This is what a katyusha missile attack looks like, from a bit up close.[/url] The only exception is that this one was filmed in Syria, not Israel. The BM-21 Grad missiles used by Hamas to strike targets are no different- They're actually bigger. 0 deaths? 0 Injuries? What kind of stupid, bullshit argument is this? have you considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, that figure is because Israel installs bomb shelters in every fucking street corner? Oh, but i'll bet you'll just adore living with that stuff hitting you for months and years on end. Nothing significant really. Just having to live with concrete bunkers and an armored train station all over your fucking town, or not letting your children play outside because you're afraid the alarms will go off, or living in a town where [url=http://www.natal.org.il/English/?CategoryID=244&ArticleID=282]a quarter of all adults[/url] and [url=http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-survey-almost-half-of-sderot-preteens-show-symptoms-of-ptsd.premium-1.479113]half of all children are diagnosed with PTSD.[/url] Fucking cakewalk. But oh, as you might point out, these things don't matter- after all, Palestinians suffer way more than that! Your grandpa raped someone 14 times, so you shouldn't even open your mouth. You were only raped [i]twice[/i], quit whining. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9HXAoV7Zw]Here's another video from Syria, skip and pause at 0:14.[/url] See that little hole in the wall? Pretty similar to that bullshit "oh, Hamas's missiles are just creating small dents in the ground/building!" picture you keep posting all the time. Now go back to the video, watch the actual impact, and tell me you'd want to live next to this kind of shit, that repeats itself for months if not years. Oh, but i'm sure they'll just stop if Israel fixes all the horrendous shit it does in the West Bank and Gaza. I'm sure that the group that did things [url=http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes]such as these[/url] are totally doing this out of their fight for the Palestinian people's liberty, not because they're extremist murderous assholes that have no value for human life. Yeah, that's totally the reason. You know what the fucked up thing is? You changed my mind about this conflict, and it stuck. My entire political opinion changed primarily because of you, and because I thought you were fair. A bit biased maybe, but fair. But now I realize how much full of shit you really are. Talking to me on steam about how "Hezbollah are totally a legit organization!" When they currently insert a military force into the middle of a civil war in order to, according to them, prevent armed conflict from spilling into their country by propping up a regime that will support them, regardless of the horrors it and its followers commits. And how do they justify it? By saying that terrorists are at their borders, attacking their towns with missiles, and the alternative will be worse. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War]I wonder where I've seen that shit before.[/url][/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but no amount of PTSD can justify murdering scores of innocent civilians, including women and children.

[QUOTE=Taishu;45275873]I'm sorry, but no amount of PTSD can justify murdering scores of innocent civilians, including women and children.[/QUOTE] That's what I said. That's what I totally said. I justified killing women and children. Great fucking summary. You nailed it Taishu, that's absolutely right. Great job on not actually commenting on [b]ANYTHING[/B] I just said.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;45275095]Fuck you, Starpluck. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN4EiqgC0Cs"]This is what a katyusha missile attack looks like, from a bit up close.[/URL] The only exception is that this one was filmed in Syria, not Israel. The BM-21 Grad missiles used by Hamas to strike targets are no different- They're actually bigger. 0 deaths? 0 Injuries? What kind of stupid, bullshit argument is this? [B]have you considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, that figure is because Israel installs bomb shelters in every fucking street corner? [/B]Oh, but i'll bet you'll just adore living with that stuff hitting you for months and years on end. Nothing significant really. Just having to live with concrete bunkers and an armored train station all over your fucking town, or not letting your children play outside because you're afraid the alarms will go off, or living in a town where [URL="http://www.natal.org.il/English/?CategoryID=244&ArticleID=282"]a quarter of all adults[/URL] and [URL="http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-survey-almost-half-of-sderot-preteens-show-symptoms-of-ptsd.premium-1.479113"]half of all children are diagnosed with PTSD.[/URL] Fucking cakewalk. But oh, as you might point out, these things don't matter- after all, Palestinians suffer way more than that! Your grandpa raped someone 14 times, so you shouldn't even open your mouth. You were only raped [I]twice[/I], quit whining. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9HXAoV7Zw"]Here's another video from Syria, skip and pause at 0:14.[/URL] See that little hole in the wall? Pretty similar to that bullshit "oh, Hamas's missiles are just creating small dents in the ground/building!" picture you keep posting all the time. Now go back to the video, watch the actual impact, and tell me you'd want to live next to this kind of shit, that repeats itself for months if not years.[/QUOTE] No it is the fact they don't land anywhere. Less than 1% of all rockets ever land in populated areas, the rest land in the vast open desert primarily inducing the theatrical fear effect onto the Israeli populace as desired by the groups in Gaza. This was a statistic prior to the recent inception of the Iron Dome. The fact your only examples were Syrian videos underscores that. There are no cameras in the Israeli desert. [quote]Oh, but i'm sure they'll just stop if Israel fixes all the horrendous shit it does in the West Bank and Gaza. I'm sure that the group that did things [URL="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes"]such as these[/URL] are totally doing this out of their fight for the Palestinian people's liberty, not because they're extremist murderous assholes that have no value for human life. Yeah, that's totally the reason. You know what the fucked up thing is? You changed my mind about this conflict, and it stuck. My entire political opinion changed primarily because of you, and because I thought you were fair. A bit biased maybe, but fair. But now I realize how much full of shit you really are. Talking to me on steam about how "Hezbollah are totally a legit organization!" When they currently insert a military force into the middle of a civil war in order to, according to them, prevent armed conflict from spilling into their country by propping up a regime that will support them, regardless of the horrors it and its followers commits. And how do they justify it? By saying that terrorists are at their borders, attacking their towns with missiles, and the alternative will be worse. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War"]I wonder where I've seen that shit before.[/URL][/quote] Not true but not going to bother signifying this majority-emotive post. EDIT: Skeptical of that "survey" you posted to back your claim that 50% of all Israeli children have PTSD. "Showing symptoms similar to PTSD" -- polls and surveys in Israel are commonly skewed with bullshit questions. For example, one Israeli poll appeared to have asked Palestinians how they felt about Jews, but the translation was actually "How do you deal with the Jews who are besieging al-Aqsa and are scattered around it?" If 50% of all Israeli children have post-traumatic stress disorder, then Israel would not be able to thrive like they do as a state.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;45275909]That's what I said. That's what I totally said. I justified killing women and children. Great fucking summary. You nailed it Taishu, that's absolutely right. Great job on not actually commenting on [b]ANYTHING[/B] I just said.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry. Allow me to clarify. This started as a discussion about on which side in this conflict was most violence inflicted. A Wikipedia article listing rocket attacks against Israel was linked to in a rebuttal, and Starpluck responded to this, noting, amongst other things, that there were zero casualties, and compared the attacks to that of pellet gun against an AC-130. You then replied with studies showing the psychological impact of these rocket attacks. Now, what was the point of posting this, if not an attempt to compare the Israeli suffering with that of the Palestinians. I am certain no one here is saying that suffering psychological trauma from a rocket attack isn't horrendous. It is, and no person should have to live with that. However, I'm afraid, the impact of that trauma is quite abysmal when compared to the amount of loss and terror the Palestinians have had to endure.

Israel pls stop existing tyvm.

[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;45276366]Israel pls stop existing tyvm.[/QUOTE] How about you stop existing instead?

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45276443]How about you stop existing instead?[/QUOTE] At least i'm not committing subtle genocide and ethnic cleansing against anybody, unlike Israel.