SHOCKING: Million volt stun guns easily acquirable in the UK - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Illegal stun guns 20 times more powerful than police Tasers can be illegally imported into the UK with ease, a BBC investigation has found. Possessing a stun gun carries a maximum jail sentence of 10 years. But Inside Out bought two devices by mail order - which both made it through customs. The BBC also obtained figures showing police have seized hundreds on the streets of London in recent years. The UK Border Force (UKBF) insists it is tackling the problem. Statistics obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show the Metropolitan Police has investigated more than 200 crimes involving the weapons in the past three years. Over the same period they seized about 500 stun guns. The weapons are legally manufactured abroad - but cannot be bought in the UK. Yet there were no questions about age or criminal status as the BBC ordered a pair of powerful stun guns from a German website for £60 each. Both weapons, sent separately, arrived in days. And each came with a free - and illegal - pepper spray. At one million volts, one of the guns is 20 times more powerful than the 50,000 volt weapons carried by police. Eran Bauer, of Civil Defence Supply - which supplies Tasers to the UK police - described it as "one heck of a brute". After seeing it fired he said: "That's lightning - horrendous tool. "I don't believe you managed to get one of these. That is seriously dangerous." Both stun guns came with a free gift: a can of pepper spray Mr Bauer went on: "You are going to end up with skin burns for a start, and it's subcutaneous damage. "If it goes into the neck across the nerves you can just imagine the damage. "Hit across the chest then anything could happen - [it could] end up killing someone." He added: "This has got to be stopped at source. There must be some way of screening mail." Reformed gang member Daryl James believes the growing appeal of stun guns for teenage gangs is a result of the crackdown on knife and gun crime. 'People find alternatives' He said: "You can't have all these youngers [young gang members] running about with stun guns - they'll stun everybody. "As we move forward into knife bans, gun bans, people find alternatives." Mr James said stun guns were a more effective tool for bank robbers than guns or knives - as they left victims momentarily paralysed with less risk of death. Ex-gang member Daryl James says stun guns are ideal for bank robbers The Met declined to be interviewed. But former murder squad Detective Chief Inspector Pete Kirkham believes stun guns have become weapon of choice for many criminals. He said: "Stun guns have been used in armed robberies. "They turn up in aggravated burglaries, in disputes between drug dealers - that's the range of serious crimes." Mr Kirkham said front-line police were exasperated by the ease with which stun guns made it past customs. The UKBF was unable to say how many stun guns it had seized last year. A spokesman said the most recent year for which it was able to provide figures was 2008/2009 - almost four years ago, when 160 were seized. Labour called it a "worrying admission", adding: "If UKBF don't even know how many stun guns have been stopped at the border, how can it possibly address this problem?" Keith Vaz MP, chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said: "I'm absolutely shocked there are present on the streets stun guns more powerful than weapons being used by our police. 'Must take action' "How is it possible for someone to go online and get a gun into this country through what we are told is one of the most sophisticated borders in the world? "Clearly it's important we take action to find out what's gone wrong and I intend to raise the matter with the head of the Border Agency and the home secretary when she appears before the committee." The UKBF declined to be interviewed. But in a statement it said: "The UK Border Force, Revenue and Customs and police work together to target importation of illegal weapons, and those who seek to bring weapons into the country." The agency denied it had stopped counting stun gun seizures altogether. A spokesman claimed the statistics from 2009/2010 on were "in the verification process". The BBC will hand the stun guns to police. BBC Inside Out is on BBC One in the London region on Monday, 7 January at 19:30 GMT and nationwide on the iPlayer for seven days following transmission.[/QUOTE] [url]http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20901612[/url]

20 times higher voltage =/= 20 times more powerful.

but voltage is just potential difference, it means nothing without amps

[QUOTE=yo avro;39129076]but voltage is just potential difference, it means nothing without amps[/QUOTE] idiots/daily mail readers don't know this though.

[QUOTE=yo avro;39129076]but voltage is just potential difference, it means nothing without amps[/QUOTE] ...You're aware voltage is directly proportional to amperage, right?

[QUOTE=JgcxCub;39129113]...You're aware voltage is directly proportional to amperage, right?[/QUOTE] No. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law[/url] Given a fixed resistance, voltage is indeed directly determining the current. However skin resistance is far from fixed and stun guns are always current limited.

[QUOTE=JgcxCub;39129113]...You're aware voltage is directly proportional to amperage, right?[/QUOTE] you and I both know that's false. our friend resistance likes to have his say.

[QUOTE=yo avro;39129126]you and I both know that's false. our friend resistance likes to have his say.[/QUOTE] ohm ygod he's right

I need to go take a course on electricity so I can be smug and properly argue whenever the volts/amps discussion comes up.

V = IR V ∝ I V ∝ R

[QUOTE=Reds;39129148]I need to go take a course on electricity so I can be smug and properly argue whenever the volts/amps discussion comes up.[/QUOTE] Ohm's law is easy. Voltage = Current(amps) x Resistance Resistance = Voltage / Current Current = Voltage / Resistance The hard part is remembering the fucking color coding on resistors.

That's the problem with weapon bans - people always find a way.

But I'm a collector why are they punishing me?

1 million volts!!!!~~~~~ :rolleyes:

I want a million amp tazer just so I can walk around and taze people who say volts kill.

[QUOTE=Lizzrd;39129252]I want a million amp tazer just so I can walk around and taze people who say volts kill.[/QUOTE] That wouldn't work... At least not how you imagine it.

[QUOTE=Stopper;39129272]That wouldn't work... At least not how you imagine it.[/QUOTE] There's always a catch when talking about ~electricity~

[QUOTE=gamefreek76;39129199]Ohm's law is easy. Voltage = Current(amps) x Resistance Resistance = Voltage / Current Current = Voltage / Resistance The hard part is remembering the fucking color coding on resistors.[/QUOTE] Our company's electric component supplier gifts us these with every purchase - they're pretty neat. [img]http://media.snimka.bg/7642/021538698.jpg[/img] (It's a calendar on the other side)

[QUOTE=Stopper;39129298]Our company's electric component supplier gifts us these with every purchase - they're pretty neat. [img]http://media.snimka.bg/7642/021538698.jpg[/img] (It's a calendar on the other side)[/QUOTE] Unfortunately I cannot read Russian. My electronics teacher had a good mnemonic, but I can't remember it for the life of me. This one from wikipedia should suffice: Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly. Get some now.

[QUOTE=gamefreek76;39129372]Unfortunately I cannot read Russian. My electronics teacher had a good mnemonic, but I can't remember it for the life of me. This one from wikipedia should suffice: Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly. Get some now.[/QUOTE] It's not Russian, and I was just giving it as an example. To be fair, I've worked in the field for 4 years now, and I honestly never bothered to learn the "code" - I just keep this little calendar in my chest pocket and look at it whenever I need it, which thankfully isn't too often. Especially with some of the older components we have lying around - some of the resistors have washed colors and sometimes the rings are damaged and it's a complete mess if I don't have a multimeter lying around (which again, doesn't happen too often to be a problem). Wait, is that mnemonic really on wikipedia? What the fuck.

[QUOTE=Stopper;39129394] Wait, is that mnemonic really on wikipedia? What the fuck.[/QUOTE] It isn't. I just took a look now and it's: Bad beer rots our young guts but vodka goes well – get some now EDIT: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electronic_color_code_mnemonics"]I lied[/URL]

Of someone uses it they should be convicted of battery. By the circuit court.

You'd be surprised what you can import with ease from other EU countries due to there being little to no border controls of packages, only real thing that is being watched for is drugs.

[QUOTE=gamefreek76;39129199]Ohm's law is easy. Voltage = Current(amps) x Resistance Resistance = Voltage / Current Current = Voltage / Resistance The hard part is remembering the fucking color coding on resistors.[/QUOTE]I'm studying mainly chemistry, but even we were taught Ohm's law. It's the sort of thing i'd think wouldn't be too difficult to learn in primary or secondary school. [editline]7th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=The fox;39129630]You'd be surprised what you can import with ease from other EU countries due to there being little to no border controls of packages, only real thing that is being watched for is drugs.[/QUOTE]Be scared, little fox, for soon we Europeans will export Brusselian terrorists into your schools, and Muslamic ray guns into your churches.

[QUOTE=Samiam22;39129471]It isn't. I just took a look now and it's: Bad beer rots our young guts but vodka goes well – get some now EDIT: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electronic_color_code_mnemonics"]I lied[/URL][/QUOTE] "Since B can stand for both "black" and "brown", variations were formed such as "Black boys rape our young girls..."." Ok. That was a cheap laugh, I admit.

[QUOTE=Lizzrd;39129252]I want a million amp tazer just so I can walk around and taze people who say volts kill.[/QUOTE] I think at a million amps, you and they and a few things around you might be destroyed. They'd at least end up looking like they'd been directly hit by a mortar.

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;39129754]I think at a million amps, you and they and a few things around you might be destroyed. They'd at least end up looking like they'd been directly hit by a mortar.[/QUOTE] It would end up looking like this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_machine[/url] I imagine.

Wait, what? Stun guns and pepper spray are illegal there? Pepper spray is pretty ineffective unless its the military/police type.... As for stun guns.... Depending on the type they work fairly well and are mostly safe (usually carried by minors and gun adverse ppl) Fine, I'll concede stun guns can be lethal- but pepper spray? It's only going to be lethal (or otherwise cause permanent damage) if you spray a lot directly down someone's throat.

[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;39129842]Wait, what? Stun guns and pepper spray are illegal there? Pepper spray is pretty ineffective unless its the military/police type.... As for stun guns.... Depending on the type they work fairly well and are mostly safe (usually carried by minors and gun adverse ppl) Fine, I'll concede stun guns can be lethal- but pepper spray? It's only going to be lethal (or otherwise cause permanent damage) if you spray a lot directly down someone's throat.[/QUOTE] I am fairly sure you can get CS gas from Germany; Which I believe is the equiviliant of the Military/Police type.

As an electrical engineer this entire article is completely retarded, do they even do their research when writing this garbage ?. [quote=Shitty article]At one million volts, one of the guns is 20 times more powerful than the 50,000 volt weapons carried by police.[/quote] Total bullshit, this would only be true if the current was maintained at the same level as the 50kV version which I doubt any decent designer would be stupid enough to do.