Viking era ring found inscribed with the words "for Allah", caliphate confirmed 1,200 years old.
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[QUOTE]Ancient tales about Viking expeditions to Islamic countries had some elements of truth, according to recent analysis of a ring recovered from a 9th century Swedish grave.
Featuring a pink-violet colored stone with an inscription that reads “for Allah” or “to Allah,” the silver ring was found during the 1872-1895 excavations of grave fields at the Viking age trading center of Birka, some 15.5 miles west of Stockholm.
It was recovered from a rectangular wooden coffin along with jewelry, brooches and remains of clothes. Although the skeleton was completely decomposed, the objects indicated it was a female burial dating to about 850 A.D.
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[url]http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/for-allah-inscription-found-on-viking-era-ring-15031.htm[/url]
That stone looks a bit like an amethyst to me. It's honestly amazing how each new find sheds just a little bit more light on our past.
And yet you still have people crying like fucking babies over how Europe has nothing to do with Islam and that they're invading our culture.
i want that ring
that is a fucking [I]cool[/I] ring
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47356467]And yet you still have people crying like fucking babies over how Europe has nothing to do with Islam and that they're invading our culture.[/QUOTE]
don't start this shit
[QUOTE=TrulliLulli;47356487]don't start this shit[/QUOTE]
In his defense, I started it with the title.
And honestly nobody should be against what he said.
[QUOTE]with an inscription that reads “for Allah” or “to Allah,” ...[/QUOTE]
Just a little side detail, but the reason it could be either of those is because Arabic (and Hebrew, which are very similar) has certain letters that could have multiple meanings. For example, the hebrew letter ל (lamed), when put in front of a word, could either mean 'to' or 'for' depending on the context of the entire sentence. Same goes for whichever arabic letter is in front of the word Allah on the ring.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47356467]And yet you still have people crying like fucking babies over how Europe has nothing to do with Islam and that they're invading our culture.[/QUOTE]
Well they were directly invading Europe for like 500 years.
I need to find that joke that i made on a thread where an Islamic theologist thought that Vikings were islamic.
Vikings confirmed for halal.
Mashallah, brothers.
Scandinavia and the Middle East actually have a really cool relationship. Like the Varangian Guard, who were the personal guard for the Byzantine Emperor since they'd be above court intrigue, wouldn't feel connected to the people of Byzantium (and would thus be willing to crack heads during a revolt), their foreign language meant it was harder for them to sell secrets and of course, they were fucking vikings.
Though their loyalty was to the throne, not the emperor. They always had to play carefully, as they didn't know how well the next emperor would treat them, and would defend theirs to the death. The second he was dead they'd swear loyalty to the new one however, in one instance literally over the corpse of the old one.
Then when there was a new emperor, they'd be given free reign to loot the treasury. It was probably a lot more formal than it sounds as time went on, but many would come back to Scandinavia with many eastern riches.
Fun fact, the Varangian Guard battled as far south as Jerusalem.
Time to start making ISIS propaganda videos with footage from the Thor movies.
[QUOTE=TrulliLulli;47356487]don't start this shit[/QUOTE]
It just makes me mad that some people will outright refuse to admit that European culture is the result of centuries of understanding and exchange with North Africa and the Middle East and still parade around retarded ideas of "pure European culture" like Europe was somehow perfectly hermetically closed for three thousand years and it's only recently that cultural exchange became a thing.
I know people like this. I have to deal with these idiots every day. They're the worst.
I'm not trying to start shit, I'm just expressing how annoying these people are. I don't even know if there are people who think that way on Facepunch, and frankly I don't want to know.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47356555]It just makes me mad that some people will outright refuse to admit that European culture is the result of centuries of understanding and exchange with North Africa and the Middle East and still parade around retarded ideas of "pure European culture" like Europe was somehow perfectly hermetically closed for three thousand years and it's only recently that cultural exchange became a thing.
I know people like this. I have to deal with these idiots every day. They're the worst.
I'm not trying to start shit, I'm just expressing how annoying these people are. I don't even know if there are people who think that way on Facepunch, and frankly I don't want to know.[/QUOTE]
Technically, most ideas of Europe Came from areas over by the Middle East and Africa like you said.
Most off, The only actual Religious groups that are "European" is the old Pagan Religions from the German and Scandinavian Tribes. And don't give me the bullshit that Christianity is a European religion because it is not.
If I found a ring that looked like that I would assume it was magic
[QUOTE]Ancient tales about Viking expeditions to Islamic countries had [B]some elements of truth[/B], according to recent analysis of a ring recovered from a 9th century Swedish grave.[/QUOTE]
What, it is widely known that the Norsemen reached Islamic domains, particularly [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus"]Al-Andalus[/URL].
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47356592]Technically, most ideas of Europe Came from areas over by the Middle East and Africa like you said.
Most off, The only actual Religious groups that are "European" is the old Pagan Religions from the German and Scandinavian Tribes. And don't give me the bullshit that Christianity is a European religion because it is not.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, most of our culture is the result of some form of exchange/mix between our local folklore and some other country's folklore, it's especially prevalent in France since the French language itself was created by intellectuals based on a multitude of nearby tongues, including Arabic.
Christianity originated from the Middle East but became extremely prevalent in Europe and eventually developed its own unique instances here like Protestantism. Even old as fuck pagan cults still have elements borrowed from all over the continent and from others as well.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47356592]Technically, most ideas of Europe Came from areas over by the Middle East and Africa like you said.
Most off, The only actual Religious groups that are "European" is the old Pagan Religions from the German and Scandinavian Tribes. And don't give me the bullshit that Christianity is a European religion because it is not.[/QUOTE]
Yeah its an american religion
It's high time Muslims claimed Nordic countries as theirs.
Oh wait :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;47356534]Scandinavia and the Middle East actually have a really cool relationship. Like the Varangian Guard, who were the personal guard for the Byzantine Emperor since they'd be above court intrigue, wouldn't feel connected to the people of Byzantium (and would thus be willing to crack heads during a revolt), their foreign language meant it was harder for them to sell secrets and of course, they were fucking vikings.
Though their loyalty was to the throne, not the emperor. They always had to play carefully, as they didn't know how well the next emperor would treat them, and would defend theirs to the death. The second he was dead they'd swear loyalty to the new one however, in one instance literally over the corpse of the old one.
Then when there was a new emperor, they'd be given free reign to loot the treasury. It was probably a lot more formal than it sounds as time went on, but many would come back to Scandinavia with many eastern riches.
Fun fact, the Varangian Guard battled as far south as Jerusalem.[/QUOTE]
The Byzantines were Christians, not Muslims. It is not the Middle East of today that you're trying to insinuate.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47356467]And yet you still have people crying like fucking babies over how Europe has nothing to do with Islam and that they're invading our culture.[/QUOTE]
Finding a ring in a woman's burial pit doesn't suddenly mean Europe and the Middle East were peacefully cooperating. In fact historically Europe and Islam have never been very friendly.
If I remember correctly, they've also found a Buddha statue in a Viking Grave before so stuff like this is nothing new but interesting none the less.
not really surprising that jewelery of another culture would be found in a viking grave considering that taking jewelery from other cultures was a big of going viking
Welp, I guess we know why the Barbary Corsairs of the 17th century raided as far north as Iceland.
[QUOTE=The mouse;47356916]If I remember correctly, they've also found a Buddha statue in a Viking Grave before so stuff like this is nothing new but interesting none the less.[/QUOTE]
You do have to consider that the Vikings were known for raiding other kingdoms or other peoples. So most of those strange oddities are mostly ransacked stuff from the Viking raids. And another thing that was interesting about the Vikings during the Viking age, most of their retaliation against Europe was mostly from the Christian's treatment of Pagans. In other words, if the Vikings would've gone completely extreme and took over most of Europe, most of the older Pagan Religions would've been reestablished.
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[QUOTE=mentalmoustache;47356665]Yeah its an american religion[/QUOTE]
Seriously?
[QUOTE=Vasili;47356817]The Byzantines were Christians, not Muslims. It is not the Middle East of today that you're trying to insinuate. [/QUOTE]
I never claimed they were, but the Byzantines were on the very verge of the Muslim world and I was saying they clearly had contact.
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[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47356989]You do have to consider that the Vikings were known for raiding other kingdoms or other peoples. So most of those strange oddities are mostly ransacked stuff from the Viking raids. And another thing that was interesting about the Vikings during the Viking age, most of their retaliation against Europe was mostly from the Christian's treatment of Pagans. In other words, if the Vikings would've gone completely extreme and took over most of Europe, most of the older Pagan Religions would've been reestablished.[/QUOTE]
Uh. The vikings gave up raiding as their main source of income for trading fairly quickly. The common idea of the Norse raider is actually fairly incorrect, and a bunch of very good traders with very good ships is more accurate. The vikings were unable to take over all of Europe to start with, and the biggest proponent against Pagan religions was the vikings themselves, who pretty willingly gave it up.
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;47356534]Scandinavia and the Middle East actually have a really cool relationship. Like the Varangian Guard, who were the personal guard for the Byzantine Emperor since they'd be above court intrigue, wouldn't feel connected to the people of Byzantium (and would thus be willing to crack heads during a revolt), their foreign language meant it was harder for them to sell secrets and of course, they were fucking vikings.
Though their loyalty was to the throne, not the emperor. They always had to play carefully, as they didn't know how well the next emperor would treat them, and would defend theirs to the death. The second he was dead they'd swear loyalty to the new one however, in one instance literally over the corpse of the old one.
Then when there was a new emperor, they'd be given free reign to loot the treasury. It was probably a lot more formal than it sounds as time went on, but many would come back to Scandinavia with many eastern riches.
Fun fact, the Varangian Guard battled as far south as Jerusalem.[/QUOTE]
God damn that sounds awesome
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47356989]
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Seriously?[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure it was sarcasm
Proof foreigners have been trying to Islamize Europe since the beginning!
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47356592]Technically, most ideas of Europe Came from areas over by the Middle East and Africa like you said.
Most off, The only actual Religious groups that are "European" is the old Pagan Religions from the German and Scandinavian Tribes. And don't give me the bullshit that Christianity is a European religion because it is not.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, Catholicism and Protestantism are rather distinctly European/Western in origin and culture.
You can say "oh jesus was from middle east" or whatever, but the fact is that pretty much all of the popes lived in Italy and most christians up until the modern era lived in Europe. The bible was written in latin or European languages, so yes I would argue that for the most part the European aspect of christianity is extremely massive.
Shia Islam originates from Arabia, but I associate it more with Iran than I do with Arabia. Buddhism originates from India, but what they practice in Japan is considerably different from what they practice in India.
Also you should be more specific in what ideas you mean originate from Middle East/Africa. Additionally, the only part of Africa that has really contributed to Eurasian culture and society has really been the northern coast, which is wholly separate from the sub-saharan part.
SWEDEN YES
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