U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger - Polidicks

[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-may-launch-strike-if-north-korea-reaches-nuclear-n746366[/url] [quote]The U.S. is prepared to launch a preemptive strike with conventional weapons against North Korea should officials become convinced that North Korea is about to follow through with a nuclear weapons test, multiple senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News. North Korea has warned that a "big event" is near, and U.S. officials say signs point to a nuclear test that could come as early as this weekend. The intelligence officials told NBC News that the U.S. has positioned two destroyers capable of shooting Tomahawk cruise missiles in the region, one just 300 miles from the North Korean nuclear test site. American heavy bombers are also positioned in Guam to attack North Korea should it be necessary, and earlier this week, the Pentagon announced that the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier strike group was being diverted to the area. The U.S. strike could include missiles and bombs, cyber and special operations on the ground.[/quote]

[quote]Implementation of the preemptive U.S. plans, according to multiple U.S. officials, depends centrally on consent of the South Korean government. The sources stress that Seoul has got to be persuaded that action is worth the risk, as there is universal concern that any military move might provoke a North Korean attack, even a conventional attack across the DMZ.[/quote] Not gonna happen

I see, the old fight one petulant manchild leader with another. Works like a charm. What an exciting time we live in.

It all depends on how everyone reacts to the nuclear test tomorrow or Saturday. I'm hoping for just another case of everyone writing angry letters, but several US generals, both retired and on-duty, are saying that the military option might be the only option we have left.

This is not a change in policy. Even under Obama (who revised strategic military policy into less aggressive form), we reserved the right to perform a nuclear first-strike on a country possessing nuclear weapons, such as North Korea, if war was deemed imminent and unavoidable. Threatening a conventional strike to do the same is in no way out of the norm. I hate on Trump as much as anybody, if not more, but if we end up going to war with North Korea, it's more likely to be because Kim is crazy than because Donnie is.

The next 24-48 hours are going to be scary.

if NK actually follows through on this nuclear test, they'll be signing their own death warrants

[QUOTE=gman003-main;52100439]This is not a change in policy. Even under Obama (who revised strategic military policy into less aggressive form), we reserved the right to perform a nuclear first-strike on a country possessing nuclear weapons, such as North Korea, if war was deemed imminent and unavoidable. Threatening a conventional strike to do the same is in no way out of the norm. I hate on Trump as much as anybody, if not more, but if we end up going to war with North Korea, it's more likely to be because Kim is crazy than because Donnie is.[/QUOTE] While I do agree that we're not likely, even under the Cheeto, to just randomly march into NK for no reason whatsoever, I do strongly believe that a cooler, more experienced, more presidential Commander in Chief would be more likely to avoid an actual conflict.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52100459]The next 24-48 hours are going to be scary.[/QUOTE] Nothing will happen.

[QUOTE=Chaitin;52100496]Nothing will happen.[/QUOTE] I said the same thing year after year after year, but the past 6 months have proven what a fuckin wild card both the world and the US administration now is. Nothing is certain. [editline]14th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Marbalo;52100514]Am I reading this correctly? Launching preemptive strike against a nuclear weapon [I]test[/I]? They had two of those in 2016, why does it suddenly warrant a "preemptive strike" now?[/QUOTE] Because with every failure it increases the chance of them getting a successful one, at which point they will possess nuclear missiles or nuclear missile tech.

[QUOTE=TestECull;52100478]While I do agree that we're not likely, even under the Cheeto, to just randomly march into NK for no reason whatsoever, I do strongly believe that a cooler, more experienced, more presidential Commander in Chief would be more likely to avoid an actual conflict.[/QUOTE] Sure. You're not wrong - given the same set of actions from NK, Obama or even Bush would have been far less likely to respond with war than Trump. However, there is a point at which any of them would reach for the Tomahawks, and Kim seems intent on reaching that line. It would be unfair to blame Trump for it just because we all had the misfortune to have him in the White House when the Korean War decided to start up again.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52100519]I said the same thing year after year after year, but the past 6 months have proven what a fuckin wild card both the world and the US administration now is. Nothing is certain. [/QUOTE] I think this is the most pertinent thing here. We live in meme-reality now and logic no longer applies. If there's one thing we shouldn't just be smugly confident about, it's nuclear politics.

[QUOTE=Chaitin;52100496]Nothing will happen.[/QUOTE] ???:toxx:???

[media]https://twitter.com/jengriffinfnc/status/852660864931045376[/media]

[QUOTE=Marbalo;52100514]Am I reading this correctly? Launching preemptive strike against a nuclear weapon [I]test[/I]? They had two of those in 2016, why does it suddenly warrant a "preemptive strike" now?[/QUOTE] It honestly warranted one then. Non-proliferation is a Big Fucking Deal. If it had been any random country, I'm pretty sure we'd have bulldozed them, with UN blessing. But China has been keeping North Korea as a buffer state for decades, and that makes any military action potentially very costly. Bush and Obama judged it safer to use sanctions, and use as much pressure as we could to get China to come around on it. That pressure seems to have paid off, as China seems to be turning on North Korea - the timing means Trump gets the credit but I have no doubt it owes more to the last two Presidents than the current.

People who sit there and think the NK problem is going to be solved without blood shed are unaware of how brainwashed that population is. It's going to happen eventually with the way things keep going.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52100555][media]https://twitter.com/jengriffinfnc/status/852660864931045376[/media][/QUOTE] NBC is in some deep shit if the report turns out to be fabricated

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52100555][media]https://twitter.com/jengriffinfnc/status/852660864931045376[/media][/QUOTE] "Multiple sr defense officials" tells me nothing, not to mention it's from Fox News and anything that comes from there I take with a grain of salt. I need a better source than some correspondent from Fox.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;52100514]Am I reading this correctly? Launching preemptive strike against a nuclear weapon [I]test[/I]? They had two of those in 2016, why does it suddenly warrant a "preemptive strike" now?[/QUOTE] No one likes them on the international stage, so they make nukes and missiles so that they can negotiate to get rid of their capabilities in exchange for economic aid. Nuclear testing should not be a bargaining chip under any circumstances, it just shouldn't happen at all, and North Korea can do it again if they want more economic aid. It makes a horrible example for international policy. Destroying their delivery systems or nuclear facilities with missiles makes it really hard to test nuclear weapons. Its a really aggressive move but it seems like the international community is already leaning on the US side should it happen.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;52100580]"Multiple sr defense officials" tells me nothing, not to mention it's from Fox News and anything that comes from there I take with a grain of salt. I need a better source than some correspondent from Fox.[/QUOTE] what's the difference between that and this though: [quote]The U.S. is prepared to launch a preemptive strike with conventional weapons against North Korea should officials become convinced that North Korea is about to follow through with a nuclear weapons test, [b]multiple senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.[/b][/quote]

[QUOTE=Perrine;52100588]what's the difference between that and this though:[/QUOTE] Trying to dispute bullshit with bullshit only adds on to the confusion. So how about instead of trying to refute a potentially false article with more false information, we actually identify what the Pentagon and actual defense officials are saying instead?

[QUOTE=Perrine;52100588]what's the difference between that and this though:[/QUOTE] The news agency it's coming from, at least that's what it is to me personally.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52100459]The next 24-48 hours are going to be scary.[/QUOTE] A deja vu from two years back when everyone thought NK was gonna go through with their threats. I don't think anything will happen though. Things will tense up a bit and then we'll go back to our regularly scheduled program. If it does happen, however... well fuck me right

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;52100592]Trying to dispute bullshit with bullshit only adds on to the confusion. So how about instead of trying to refute a potentially false article with more false information, we actually identify what the Pentagon and actual defense officials are saying instead?[/QUOTE] What do you mean more false information? There's no possible way for both of the statements to be false, is there?

Dear god, NBC please do not start an actual shooting war with North Korea because you have a hardon for views. Seriously, this would be Spanish-American War levels of fuckup by newspapers.

[QUOTE=Perrine;52100604]What do you mean more false information? There's no possible way for both of the statements to be false, is there?[/QUOTE] Yes? If both of them claim to have sources and don't have actual sources, that would make them both equally false would it not? Besides that, Fox is known to have an incredible bias when it comes to political information.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;52100592]Trying to dispute bullshit with bullshit only adds on to the confusion. So how about instead of trying to refute a potentially false article with more false information, we actually identify what the Pentagon and actual defense officials are saying instead?[/QUOTE] Honestly, everything we have heard from Trump has been on par with, "I'm sorry, but now is not the time to talk about it" it's really vague as fuck, and is putting people on their toes as the possibility of an invasion. It might also be worth mentioning that tons of US equipment and troops are actually been brought into South Korea at the moment. It might just be for the standard drills, but with the current situation, people are getting scared, and rightfully so.

There will more than likely be a war in North Korea at some point, but I hope it won't be now. Not with Trump at the head.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52100629]Honestly, everything we have heard from Trump has been on par with, "I'm sorry, but now is not the time to talk about it" it's really vague as fuck, and is putting people on their toes as the possibility of an invasion. It might also be worth mentioning that tons of US equipment and troops are actually been brought into South Korea at the moment. It might just be for the standard drills, but with the current situation, people are getting scared, and rightfully so.[/QUOTE] [url="http://presstv.ir/Detail/2017/04/11/517630/US-Norht-Korea-drill-peninsula"]US, South Korean troops hold joint logistics drill[/url] [quote]American and South Korean troops are holding a 10-day logistics drill in the city of Pohang amid growing tensions on the Korean Peninsula. [/quote] Furthermore, why are you looking to Trump for military-related information regarding the Korean peninsula? You should be looking at DoD, Mattis, the IC, etc. [editline]Edited: [/editline] Didn't realize, but Operation Foal Eagle 2017 is also occurring right now through the end of April [url="https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1102331/us-south-korea-launch-annual-foal-eagle-exercise/"]U.S., South Korea Launch Annual Foal Eagle Exercise[/url] [quote]U.S. and South Korean military members joined together March 1 to participate in exercise Foal Eagle 2017, Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis told reporters today. About 3,600 U.S. service members were deployed to join the 28,000 U.S. troops already based in South Korea for the annual exercise, which will run through April 30, Davis said.[/quote]

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52100555][media]https://twitter.com/jengriffinfnc/status/852660864931045376[/media][/QUOTE] anything 4 views honestly the 24 hour news cycle is absolute cancer, if it turns out this woman is right, NBC should be charged with trying to incite a panic or something like that