• Propaganda keep on turning, true debate keep on burning (away)
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[b]OWS Website Releases Official Goal: "Stomp out Capitalism"[/b] [release]Occupy Wall Street has spent months protesting against capitalism. Thousands of signs have screamed that socialism must be brought to the United States. One example: However, despite this evidence, OWS has lied and stated that their goal is not to get rid of capitalism. And the Media was more than welcome to cover their eyes and believe them; the Huffington Post, for example, was more than welcome to spread their lies. But all it takes is a little digging and anyone can find Occupy Wall Street's goal is not only known, it is official. Anyone who argues otherwise is a liar or a moron (or both). All one needs to do is to go over to OWS's official website. Under the very first article, entitled Who We Are, the group details their goals. Wade through some rambling craziness and you will come to a link, created and put there by the founders of the protests. Simply follow that link and in big letters you will see this: You know, I could swear that that says they want to stomp out capitalism... probably because they say they want to stomp out capitalism. And under their declaration, it reads: This is their official website. This is not some random guy rambling on the forum. This was put there by their founders. If you do not believe that the main goal of OWS is to get rid of capitalism when they have put it up in bright lights for everyone to see, you are officially brain-dead. I wonder if Nancy Pelosi still supports them... [/release] Source: [url]http://www.punditpress.com/2011/11/ows-website-releases-official-goal.html[/url] I saw my dad's friend post this today, and it upset me. I'm sick of shit throwing slander, on both sides. I ended up writing a long four paragraph reply, not defending OWS at all. No, I spent four paragraphs writing why this article (and website) is slanderous propaganda machine. All I want it free, honest debate, not mud-slinging.
You really can't start a thread for every website that posts stories about Obama being born in Guatamala and whatnot, because it would consume the entire forum.
Oh god, the comments. [QUOTE=Typical Norton Antivirus User]I just visited the OWS and got a malicious attack warning-alert from my antivirus software. Be czreful as this is a bad bunch of angry leftists.[/QUOTE] Funny. Zone Alarm didn't give me any trouble at all with their site.
Why does everyone like capitalism so much, it's seriously like, the worst system ever thought of
[QUOTE=Schmaaa;33520159]Why does everyone like capitalism so much, it's seriously like, the worst system ever thought of[/QUOTE] Worse than a dictatorship? Totalitarianism? Theocracy? bit of exaggeration, I'd say.
[QUOTE=Schmaaa;33520159]Why does everyone like capitalism so much, it's seriously like, the worst system ever thought of[/QUOTE] Conservatives. [I]"We've had this system for a century, that means it'll still work fine for two more"[/I]
[QUOTE=rundevil;33520173]Worse than a dictatorship? Totalitarianism? Theocracy? bit of exaggeration, I'd say.[/QUOTE] Good job you listed forms of government that have little or nothing to do with economics.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;33520241]Good job you listed forms of government that have little or nothing to do with economics.[/QUOTE] my bad, I've been up for literally 2.5 days doing school work, and I'm not thinking clearly as normal. Luckily the hallucinations kick in around day 3 so that'll make my english essay interesting.
[QUOTE=Schmaaa;33520159]Why does everyone like capitalism so much, it's seriously like, the worst system ever thought of[/QUOTE] Um, what? Socialism, Communism are the only notable other economic structures and they're not that great either mate.
[QUOTE=Schmaaa;33520159]Why does everyone like capitalism so much, it's seriously like, the worst system ever thought of[/QUOTE] Despite the comments of the other Facepunchers, he does have a point. Capitalism is an [I]Economic [/I]System, Socialism/Fascism/Totalitarianism/etc are Political Systems. Many people don't seem to understand that the Capitalism and Democracy are separate systems, don't always go hand in hand and are in fact fundamentally opposed to one another; If you support Democracy, you should oppose Capitalism. Go ahead and rate me dumb for paying attention in class.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;33520241]Good job you listed forms of government that have little or nothing to do with economics.[/QUOTE] Stalin, Mao and Castro would like to have a word with you. [editline]1st December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Madman_Andre;33520475]Despite the comments of the other Facepunchers, he does have a point. Capitalism is an [I]Economic [/I]System, Socialism/Fascism/Totalitarianism/etc are Political Systems. Many people don't seem to understand that the Capitalism and Democracy are separate systems, don't always go hand in hand and are in fact fundamentally opposed to one another; If you support Democracy, you should oppose Capitalism. Go ahead and rate me dumb for paying attention in class.[/QUOTE] Why bring up Democracy when it is not even used by the US? The right to elect officials and having them regulate the government go hand in hand.
[QUOTE=Schmaaa;33520159]Why does everyone like capitalism so much, it's seriously like, the worst system ever thought of[/QUOTE] As I said in another thread, its kinda like a steam engine: It's capable of doing fantastic work, but unless it's [B]governed[/B] it will literally work itself to pieces.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;33520534]Stalin, Mao and Castro would like to have a word with you.[/QUOTE]They can have words all they like but it doesn't make them correct. What they ran were totalitarian states claiming to be Communist. They had elements of Communism but they were by no means true to the claim. There is a reason they tend to refer to Stalin's form of governing as Stalinism. It was his own child, not Marx's. I'm pretty sure Marx would have been sickened to know that people like Stalin would create systems masquerading as examples of his philosophies.
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;33520401]Um, what? Socialism, Communism are the only notable other economic structures and they're not that great either mate.[/QUOTE] well I say Canada's combination of socialism and capitalism has been working out fairly well for us, compared to the USA at least
[QUOTE=rundevil;33520173]Worse than a dictatorship? [B]Not an economic system. Is compatible with capitalism.[/B] Totalitarianism? [B]Basically a broader group, containing dictatorship, also compatible with Capitalism[/B] Theocracy? [B]For third thime, not economic system, also compatible with capitalism.[/B] bit of exaggeration, I'd say.[/QUOTE] You are spewing terms while you have no real idea about what they really mean, I'd say. [editline]1st December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Madman_Andre;33520475]Despite the comments of the other Facepunchers, he does have a point. Capitalism is an [I]Economic [/I]System, [B]Socialism[/B]/Fascism/Totalitarianism/etc are Political Systems. Many people don't seem to understand that the Capitalism and Democracy are separate systems, don't always go hand in hand and are in fact fundamentally opposed to one another; If you support Democracy, you should oppose Capitalism. Go ahead and rate me dumb for paying attention in class.[/QUOTE] [sub]You were yourself right until the point you named Socialism, which, virtually is, polar opposite of Capitalism.[/sub] Ok this might not be completely true, because looking around, I see the term "Political Socialism" used separately from "Economic Socialism", so then, you can be both and right. Capitalism is polar opposite of Economic Socialism and doesn't necessarily have ties to Political Socialism, although they are highly probable due to nature of the systems.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;33521580]You are spewing terms while you have no real idea about what they really mean, I'd say.[/QUOTE] Well, in a dictatorship, the king (ruler, whatever term is used) controls the economy by saying what goods are made, distributed, and sold. Totalitarianism the regime in power controls the economy by saying what goods are made, distributed, and sold. In a theocracy The prophet (or whatever they call themselves) controls the economy by saying what goods are made, distributed, and sold. Not saying there aren't exceptions, but the powers that be in those situations tend to take control of economic forces.
[QUOTE=rundevil;33521647]Well, in a dictatorship, the king (ruler, whatever term is used) controls the economy by saying what goods are made, distributed, and sold. [b]Not necessarily. He can simply collect taxes and only hold his army, perhaps invest into some business personally. He may or may not hand out permissions to specific places, and may or may not influence the prices. This was mostly the case in middle age Europe.[/b] Totalitarianism the regime in power controls the economy by saying what goods are made, distributed, and sold. [b]Totalitarianism simply means there is an individual or a closed group which has complete political control. The group again may or may not interfere with general economics. Dictatorship is a form of totalitarian rule.[/b] In a theocracy The prophet (or whatever they call themselves) controls the economy by saying what goods are made, distributed, and sold. [b]Firstly, I am rather confused by what you mean exactly. The closest we ever were to what you describe, the ruling group simply had added religious stample. Again, it may or many not interfere with economics.[/b] Not saying there aren't exceptions, but the powers that be in those situations tend to take control of economic forces.[/QUOTE] Nope, none of them has to, not by design. [editline]1st December 2011[/editline] Political dominance often does indeed lead to some sort of economic influence, but doesn't necessarily have to, and even then it can be something as simple and global as a tax, which doesn't really mean control.
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