Transgender man gives birth in Germany, fights for the right to be called the father. - Polidicks

[quote]A transgender man gave birth in Germany earlier this year, according to local media. Though the Berlin man welcomed his child to the world in March, news of the remarkable birth did not make headlines in German media until this week. Now, the new parent is in court petitioning for the right to be called the baby's father, Germany's The Local reports. The unnamed parent, who has undergone several hormone treatments but still has female reproductive organs, used a sperm donor to become pregnant. He gave birth at his home with the help of a midwife and waited several weeks to inform authorities. As Spiegel Online notes, it was on April 11 that Berlin's civil registry office informed the borough of Neukölln's youth and health department of the atypical birth. The transgender man had registered the birth, filing for a birth certificate with his name as the father. He purposefully did not include the name of the mother.[/quote] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/transgender-man-birth-germany-father-rights_n_3901247.html[/url]

Hope he gets his wish

So does that mean that he is technically both the father and the mother?

Just give it to him.

I don't wanna come across as insensitive here, but since he gave birth to it, doesn't that mean he's the biological mother by definition?

[QUOTE=aznz888;42160411]So does that mean that he is technically both the father and the mother?[/QUOTE] No, just Father, he didn't impregnate himself

[QUOTE=aznz888;42160411]So does that mean that he is technically both the father and the mother?[/QUOTE] Judging by the article, he seems to want the baby to be listed as having no mother.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;42160417]I don't wanna come across as insensitive here, but since he gave birth to it, doesn't that mean he's the biological mother by definition?[/QUOTE] I actually don't think it's ever been defined as to whether mother/father terms pertain to the sex or the gender of the parent it'd be a lot easier if it was based on the gender tbh

Didn't provide the sperm? You're not the dad. That's how it works. I'm sorry, are people really going to ignore the definition of the words "mother" and "father" to make this person feel comfortable?

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42160435]Didn't provide the sperm? You're not the dad. That's how it works. I'm sorry, are people really going to ignore the definition of the words "mother" and "father" to make this person feel comfortable?[/QUOTE] who cares about definitions what he is legally and what he considers himself aren't mutually exclusive

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42160435]Didn't provide the sperm? You're not the dad. That's how it works. I'm sorry, are people really going to ignore the definition of the words "mother" and "father" to make this person feel comfortable?[/QUOTE] actually yeah we are because definition isn't set in stone so??????????????????????

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42160435]Didn't provide the sperm? You're not the dad. That's how it works. I'm sorry, are people really going to ignore the definition of the words "mother" and "father" to make this person feel comfortable?[/QUOTE] father Use Father in a sentence fa·ther noun 1. a male parent. 2. a father-in-law, stepfather, or adoptive father. 3. any male ancestor, especially the founder of a race, family, or line; progenitor. 4. a man who exercises paternal care over other persons; paternal protector or provider: a father to the poor. 5. a person who has originated or established something: the father of modern psychology; the founding fathers.

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;42160434]I actually don't think it's ever been defined as to whether mother/father terms pertain to the sex or the gender of the parent it'd be a lot easier if it was based on the gender tbh[/QUOTE] Mother/father is defined by the person's role in the child's conception, that's unrelated to either of their genders if you agree with the idea that gender and sex are separate things.

Honestly, just for the sake of the keeping everything moving and working without confusion, they should list him as the mother on the certificate, Gave Birth = your the mother. Sex vs Gender and all. He is free to in his own life call himself whatever he wants though, and their isn't anything wrong with that. Who looks at your birth certificate anyway?

To be honest, just alone explaining to your child after becoming a guy, "I gave birth to you." "WAHAUTIABWHAT?!"-Child

Who is the father, or was it an anonymous sperm donation?

[QUOTE=synthiac;42160498]I thought it [i]does[/i] have to do with gender and not sex?[/QUOTE] Well, if you define them by role in conception, then no. It's related to their sex, not gender. Because a person's role in child-conception is entirely dependent on their sex organs.

He gave birth to the kid. He's the birth mother.

Shit like this really confuses me sometimes... I understand it, but I wouldn't like it if I had a biological mother and father where my mother wanted to be called my father and my father essentially didn't exist because of that reason. Won't she/he have to breastfeed the child? People take things too far.

[QUOTE=aznz888;42160411]So does that mean that he is technically both the father and the mother?[/QUOTE] When talking to their kids about life, most dads can only say "When I was your age..." but this guy can say "When I was your mom..."!

I've checked the oxford US dictionary site: noun 1 a man in relation to his natural child or children. a male animal in relation to its offspring. (usually fathers) literary an ancestor. (also founding father) an important figure in the origin and early history of something: Dorsey should be remembered as the father of gospel music a man who gives care and protection to someone or something: the prince is widely regarded as the father of the nation the oldest or most respected member of a society or other body. (the Father) (in Christian belief) the first person of the Trinity; God. (Father) literary used in proper names, especially when personifying time or a river, to suggest an old and venerable character: Father Thames 2 (also Father) (often as a title or form of address) a priest: pray for me, Father 3 (the Fathers or the Church Fathers) early Christian theologians (in particular of the first five centuries) whose writings are regarded as especially authoritative. Not gonna say what my opinion is.

[QUOTE=synthiac;42160512]Yes, this would definitely happen.[/QUOTE] Its a small joke, please don't take it seriously.

For what it's worth, the Wyoming DoH says natural father goes in father therefore birthing parent goes in mother [img]http://puu.sh/4p7pL.png[/img]

[QUOTE=synthiac;42160558]Alright, but I'm talking about it from a social standpoint, not a biological one.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, from a social standpoint it comes more up to gender and their role in raising the child, but from a legal and biological standpoint: he's a mother. I've been talking from a biological standpoint because that's the real issue in question here, he's trying to get himself listed as father on the birth certificate.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;42160578]Well yeah, from a social standpoint it comes more up to gender and their role in raising the child, but from a legal and biological standpoint: he's a mother.[/QUOTE] Why exactly is this legal and biological standpoint necessary? What exactly harms our society by saying he is the father and he gave birth to the baby?

and thus begins the transgender shitstorm

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;42160578]Well yeah, from a social standpoint it comes more up to gender and their role in raising the child, but from a legal and biological standpoint: he's a mother. I've been talking from a biological standpoint because that's the real issue in question here, he's trying to get himself listed as father on the birth certificate.[/QUOTE] A birth certificate is a pretty social item seeing as many people have to use it to apply for colleges/jobs/passports/licenses so they should use gender and not sex

No reason not to let him be listed as father

[QUOTE=Valnar;42160597]Why exactly is this legal and biological standpoint necessary? What exactly harms our society by saying he is the father and he gave birth to the baby?[/QUOTE] A birth certificate records who pushed the baby out, and who put the baby in. It doesn't care about their choice of gender

oh just let him put what he wants on the certificate- seriously who is this going to adversely affect?