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A freighter captain's keen eye helped avert a run-in with a nuclear-powered American submarine in Juan de Fuca Strait, a body of water that splits Washington state and B.C. coasts, according to a U.S. periodical.
The incident, which saw the freighter and submarine come within 800 metres of each other, took place in early October but is only coming to light this week, says the Navy Times, which calls itself "an independent source for news and information for the navy community."
The Navy Times says that at around 8 a.m. PT on Oct. 12, the USS Kentucky ballistic-missile submarine had its periscope above water, but was otherwise hidden below the surface when it turned onto a new course that was blocked by a cargo ship.
The submarine's commanding officer, concerned about a trawler, ordered a change of course, but neither he nor the officer of the deck looked through the periscope to check if the course was clear.
The captain of the Totem Ocean ship Midnight Sun, which makes runs between Tacoma, Wash., and Anchorage, saw the periscope and began turning to avoid the collision.
After being informed via a radio call from the outside, the submarine's crew discovered their error and began manoeuvres to avoid hitting the ship.
The Navy Times, which filed a request for a report on the incident under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act, wrote that Cmdr. Joseph Nosse, who was serving as commanding officer for the USS Kentucky, was fired on Oct. 19 for "inadequate leadership" stemming from a number of incidents.
The U.S. navy would not comment on the incident, and said it is policy not to discuss current submarine operations.[/release]
[URL]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/12/23/bc-nuclear-submarine-scare.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]The incident, which saw the freighter and submarine come within 800 metres of each other, took place in early October but is only coming to light this week, says the Navy Times, which calls itself "an independent source for news and information for the navy community."[/QUOTE]
I don't think this counts as nearly
Shouldn't radar or sonar have prevented this?
[QUOTE=dudemagic101;33901221]Shouldn't radar or sonar have prevented this?[/QUOTE]
They probably had them disabled for some sort of stealth drill and they were only going by visuals or some form of even-lower-frequency radar.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;33901203]
I don't think this counts as nearly[/QUOTE]
Well considering how big the freighter might have been, and also considering how hard it would be to make a turn in little space with either the sub or frieghter, it probably was pretty close.
Also you wouldn't want to risk those two ships coming near each other anyways, ones an expensive as fuck submarine and the other is carrying loads of valuables. Better safe than sorry.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;33901249]Well considering how big the freighter might have been, and also considering how hard it would be to make a turn in little space with either the sub or frieghter, it probably was pretty close.[/QUOTE]
I'm wondering why the sub couldn't just dive, it was already at periscope depth.
[QUOTE=rinoaff33;33901258]I'm wondering why the sub couldn't just dive, it was already at periscope depth.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it was in a relatively shallow space? Or if there needs to be preparations made to dive to lower depths, than maybe they didn't have time to consider that option.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;33901203]I don't think this counts as nearly[/QUOTE]
With the mass and maneuverability of sea vessels, it's barely breathing room.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;33901249]Well considering how big the freighter might have been, and also considering how hard it would be to make a turn in little space with either the sub or frieghter, it probably was pretty close.
Also you wouldn't want to risk those two ships coming near each other anyways, ones an expensive as fuck submarine and the other is carrying loads of valuables. Better safe than sorry.[/QUOTE]
The worst is another Kursk accident happens.
[QUOTE=rinoaff33;33901258]I'm wondering why the sub couldn't just dive, it was already at periscope depth.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/PNW-straits.jpg[/img]
That's the strait. They could be at periscope depth but I doubt they could have gone any deeper.
[QUOTE=rinoaff33;33901258]I'm wondering why the sub couldn't just dive, it was already at periscope depth.[/QUOTE]
It takes a long time and a lot of preparations to dive a submarine.
[QUOTE=dudemagic101;33901221]Shouldn't radar or sonar have prevented this?[/QUOTE]
[img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf1qnaCb0h1qa13pro1_500.png[/img]
I wonder if a submarine has ever had it's periscope knocked off...
v:v:v
800 meters is nearly a kilometer
That's not even near near
[QUOTE=dudemagic101;33901221]Shouldn't radar or sonar have prevented this?[/QUOTE]
You would be surprised of how ineffective sonar is.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;33902998]800 meters is nearly a kilometer
That's not even near near[/QUOTE]
It is when you consider the sheer size of ships, and the time that it takes for them to turn. Supertankers can <fuck I'm a fucking idiot>, and this freighter's probably a hundred metres at least, with turning circles of kilometres. It's actually really close in nautical terms.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;33902998]800 meters is nearly a kilometer
That's not even near near[/QUOTE]
[B]momentum[/B]
those ships weigh thousands of tons
[QUOTE=TheTalon;33902998]800 meters is nearly a kilometer
That's not even near near[/QUOTE]
Might take the ship 700 meters to change course just like how a train has to apply brakes way before it's stop
[QUOTE=DireAvenger;33901290]It takes a long time and a lot of preparations to dive a submarine.[/QUOTE]
Not really, a submarine crew regularly practices emergency dives which can easily avert a collision scenario. As previously stated they were in water too shallow to dive in.
It isn't even close
[QUOTE=Terminutter;33903052]It is when you consider the sheer size of ships, and the time that it takes for them to turn. Supertankers can be over 2km long, and this freighter's probably a hundred metres at least, with turning circles of kilometres. It's actually really close in nautical terms.[/QUOTE]
Haha I think you're mixing supertankers with those freight tains.
Shit, I am.
How the fuck did I get that far off?
The Seawise Giant is the largest at 460m.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;33903063]It isn't even close[/QUOTE]
Well that depends both on the size and speed of the submarine and the freighter.
They must have been on collision course to make such a headline I believe.
I imagine it went something like this, except, unlike the video, much better for all those involved.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLlUgilKqms[/media]
[QUOTE=TheTalon;33902998]800 meters is nearly a kilometer
That's not even near near[/QUOTE]
It is because of the time it takes to stop and turn ships around. Same with aircraft, an aircraft within 800m of another is a major incident.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;33901287][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/PNW-straits.jpg[/img]
That's the strait. They could be at periscope depth but I doubt they could have gone any deeper.[/QUOTE]
heh, i live in victoria, seeing this pic on facepunch makes me feel special :downs:
Dumb US sub, Vancouver is a major port and is fairly cramped. Why even go near it, why even come into Canadian waters. What dumbass drew out their sailing plan.
[QUOTE=ripple3000;33917070]Dumb US sub, Vancouver is a major port and is fairly cramped. Why even go near it, why even come into Canadian waters. What dumbass drew out their sailing plan.[/QUOTE]
They should consult you instead i agree
[QUOTE=ripple3000;33917070]Dumb US sub, Vancouver is a major port and is fairly cramped. Why even go near it, why even come into Canadian waters. What dumbass drew out their sailing plan.[/QUOTE]
yeah it's not like the US has a city right across from victoria with it's own port
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