Democrat Tom Barrett continues stem cell criticism - Polidicks

[release]The Democratic candidate in the race for governor continues to go after his Republican opponent’s views on stem cell research. Democrat Tom Barrett has been criticizing Republican Scott Walker in ads and on the campaign trail for saying he’d stop state funding for embryonic stem cell research. Barrett is also attacking Walker for not answering questions on if he supports a ban, saying he’s refused to answer the question to reporters. Walker has said he supports research using adult stem cells, and would put state financial support behind that field of study. Carl Kugler of Madison, a diabetic who is also the parent of a diabetic four-year-old, says putting roadblocks in front of viable research doesn’t make sense though. Kugler says the research holds the potential for a cure, and to arbitrarily shut down those efforts seems wrong. Barrett met with the Kugler family Thursday, where he argued most scientists disagree with Walker’s support for focusing just on adult stem cells. The Milwaukee mayor says most doctors and scientists don’t want their hands tied by government decisions. [b]Source:[/b] [url]http://www.wrn.com/2010/10/barrett-continues-stem-cell-criticism/[/url] [/release]

Shitty thread title, he's actually criticizing Walker for trying to halt funding for it.

Walker is a fucking cunt, and that's a wrong thread title.

Sounds like Barrett is actually the good guy. OP needs to read news before he posts it

I'll start this shitstorm up by saying if you don't condone steam cell research go back to your hole in the ground cover your ears with your hands and scream LALALALALLAALALALAA until it all blows over

I think people have way too much faith in stem cells, so much so that they believe that not putting all effort into researching them will prevent cures for a overwhelmingly large number or diseases. I'm not at all saying that stem cells aren't going to cure some diseases through enough research, there's actually been some really good applications already. I am saying people have their expectations way too high and are very quick to blame the restraints in research for it not living up these expectation.

[QUOTE=Pepin;25589497]I think people have way too much faith in stem cells, so much so that they believe that not putting all effort into researching them will prevent cures for a overwhelmingly large number or diseases. I'm not at all saying that stem cells aren't going to cure some diseases through enough research, there's actually been some really good applications already. I am saying people have their expectations way too high and are very quick to blame the restraints in research for it not living up these expectation.[/QUOTE] The expectations are up to par with what it can do. Now shut up, all effort should be put into this, and it can cure a FUCK load of diseases, and make life a hell of a lot easier. Hell, it can even induce immortality.

[QUOTE=RayDark;25590373]The expectations are up to par with what it can do. Now shut up, all effort should be put into this, and it can cure a FUCK load of diseases, and make life a hell of a lot easier. Hell, it can even induce immortality.[/QUOTE] I would like a citation from a reputable source on this Not because I doubt Stem Cells, I just want to be sure, you know?

[QUOTE=Pepin;25589497]I think people have way too much faith in stem cells, so much so that they believe that not putting all effort into researching them will prevent cures for a overwhelmingly large number or diseases. I'm not at all saying that stem cells aren't going to cure some diseases through enough research, there's actually been some really good applications already. I am saying people have their expectations way too high and are very quick to blame the restraints in research for it not living up these expectation.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between trying and not working and not trying at all [editline]23rd October 2010[/editline] ie Christian werido's like option B more.

hey if we have to harvest a few dead bodys (even though we dont have to anymore) to stop horrible afflictions then so be it

[QUOTE=RayDark;25590373]The expectations are up to par with what it can do. Now shut up, all effort should be put into this, and it can cure a FUCK load of diseases, and make life a hell of a lot easier. Hell, it can even induce immortality.[/QUOTE] You also have to understand that the researchers are always going to overstate the potential so they can get ample funding. Are a lot of the potential treatments possible with their current understanding of stem cells? Yes. Are a lot of them likely to actually be developed? Probably not, and this is simply because not enough was understood when making statements about what they could be used for and because certain things just aren't feasible or really difficult to do. Let's say they get to the point where the can make the stem cells form a human heart, but this process is overly difficult needing constant supervision to make sure something does not go wrong, and even then, in the end only .001% of the hearts will function for a long period of time without failure. This is of course a hypothetical situation. So yes they can make a heart, but the process is so likely to fail and costs so much to do that it isn't going to be done for practical use. [QUOTE=Warhol;25590905]There's a difference between trying and not working and not trying at all [editline]23rd October 2010[/editline] ie Christian werido's like option B more.[/QUOTE] Now that I think about it, my first post is a bit of tangent. I do think that stem cells from abortions should be used because otherwise it's a waste. I also think that stem cells aren't going to live up to their hype any time soon, regardless of research restrictions.

[QUOTE=Pepin;25591010]You also have to understand that the researchers are always going to overstate the potential so they can get ample funding. Are a lot of the potential treatments possible with their current understanding of stem cells? Yes. Are a lot of them likely to actually be developed? Probably not, and this is simply because not enough was understood when making statements about what they could be used for and because certain things just aren't feasible or really difficult to do. Let's say they get to the point where the can make the stem cells form a human heart, but this process is overly difficult needing constant supervision to make sure something does not go wrong, and even then, in the end only .001% of the hearts will function for a long period of time without failure. This is of course a hypothetical situation. So yes they can make a heart, but the process is so likely to fail and costs so much to do that it isn't going to be done for practical use. [/QUOTE] You know what, I was going to write a long sensible rebuttal to your first post in this thread, detailing how researchers are careful to not overstate the benefits and it's the media who injects any large amounts of false hope in to new treatments. I was also going to say how the situation is much better than you think. But now after reading this, my job is much more simple. You're an idiot and jumping to fucking insane conclusions with no rational basis or evidence, you know nothing about bioengineering or medicine, and should endeavor to remain eternally silent on such issues.

[QUOTE=RayDark;25590373]Hell, it can even induce immortality.[/QUOTE] Man I seriously doubt that

[QUOTE=Lambeth;25609357]Man I seriously doubt that[/QUOTE] eating babys is a source of awesome power that can do anything

What happened to the skin-cell stem cells?

[QUOTE=Pepin;25591010]You also have to understand that the researchers are always going to overstate the potential so they can get ample funding. Are a lot of the potential treatments possible with their current understanding of stem cells? Yes. Are a lot of them likely to actually be developed? Probably not, and this is simply because not enough was understood when making statements about what they could be used for and because certain things just aren't feasible or really difficult to do. Let's say they get to the point where the can make the stem cells form a human heart, but this process is overly difficult needing constant supervision to make sure something does not go wrong, and even then, in the end only .001% of the hearts will function for a long period of time without failure. This is of course a hypothetical situation. So yes they can make a heart, but the process is so likely to fail and costs so much to do that it isn't going to be done for practical use.[/QUOTE] How do you talk out your ass so well? Is it hard without lips?

[QUOTE=Pepin;25589497]I think people have way too much faith in stem cells, so much so that they believe that not putting all effort into researching them will prevent cures for a overwhelmingly large number or diseases. I'm not at all saying that stem cells aren't going to cure some diseases through enough research, there's actually been some really good applications already. I am saying people have their expectations way too high and are very quick to blame the restraints in research for it not living up these expectation.[/QUOTE] You understand how stem cells work, right? They basically repair anything that is damaged. The reason stem cells are so powerful is because they are not differentiated cells, in other words they have not developed a role yet. It basically means that they can be applied to any part of the body.

[QUOTE=Pepin;25591010]You also have to understand that the researchers [B]are always going to overstate the potential so they can get ample funding.[/B] Are a lot of the potential treatments possible with their current understanding of stem cells? Yes. [B]Are a lot of them likely to actually be developed? Probably not[/B], and this is simply because not enough was understood when making statements about what they could be used for and because certain things[B] just aren't feasible or really difficult to do.[/B] Let's say they get to the point where the can make the stem cells form a human heart, but this process is [B]overly difficult needing constant supervision to make sure something does not go wrong[/B], and even then, in the end [B]only .001% of the hearts will function for a long period of time without failure. [/B]This is of course a hypothetical situation.[B] So yes they can make a heart, but the process is so likely to fail and costs so much to do that it isn't going to be done for practical use.[/B][/QUOTE] Oh my god, I think I lost some IQ there.