Australian Boat Turn-Back Payments Confirmed by Indonesian Police - Polidicks

[quote] [B]Indonesian police have provided new details about how Australian authorities allegedly intercepted an asylum seeker boat, transferred the passengers onto two boats and sent them back to Indonesia. [/B]In their investigation into the turn-back operation and the allegations that Australia paid money to the crew, Indonesian police have interviewed six witnesses as well as the captain and crew of the boat. Some of the passengers have also reported that an Australian Customs official paid money to the crew of the asylum seeker boat. The police document about the initial findings of the investigation is in the form of a PowerPoint presentation and put the amount of money paid at more than $US30,000. (Just shy of $40K AUD)[/quote] I'm sure everyone knows about this already but it hadn't been posted. [URL]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-17/indonesian-documents-detail-boat-turnback-and-alleged-payments/6551472[/URL]

Before people jump on the boat (sorry) of attacking the Liberals for this, it has been alleged that Labor themselves did the same thing when they were in office and the opposition leader actually tried to avoid questions when he was asked about that. Well I mean the Abbott government should be criticised for continuing such a policy, if it is true, but both sides have been messy with border security.

I really dislike our two political partys. There is always the Greens, however I don't think they would be any better at running the country.

It's fucking bullshit that Liberal and Labour are both going to get away with this. Really do hope the courts get involved with this. [editline]17th June 2015[/editline] It's so fucking annoying how much of a career politician Tony Abbott is. He knows exactly what to say and what to do so he'll get away with anything, if you pay close attention, the liberals will always use a short phrase whenever they're trying to push something through. At the moment they're refusing to talk about this at all and refer it to as "operational matters", which is horse shit. These corrupt douchebags all needa be impeached.

[QUOTE=-n3o-;47987292]I really dislike our two political partys. There is always the Greens, however I don't think they would be any better at running the country.[/QUOTE] Greens give vegetables and food to people smugglers

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47987165]Before people jump on the boat (sorry) of attacking the Liberals for this, it has been alleged that Labor themselves did the same thing when they were in office and the opposition leader actually tried to avoid questions when he was asked about that. Well I mean the Abbott government should be criticised for continuing such a policy, if it is true, but both sides have been messy with border security.[/QUOTE] Evidence may exist, but I've seen no evidence to suggest that Labor has done this. On the other hand, evidence has been presented that the LNP have to come up with an answer for -- you can't avoid the question. I don't think people realize the ramifications of this.

[QUOTE=-n3o-;47987292]I really dislike our two political partys. There is always the Greens, however I don't think they would be any better at running the country.[/QUOTE] The Greens would run the country into the ground financially. For the most part though their social policies are better than Liberal and Labor... Slightly.

-snip- This isn't the Australian thread.

It's weird when you want the Greens to govern Australia....I don't vote for the big 3 however (Australian Sex Party is who I have voted for in the past).

[QUOTE=-n3o-;47987292]I really dislike our two political partys. There is always the Greens, however I don't think they would be any better at running the country.[/QUOTE] The Greens are another extreme party in terms of ideals. While their policies are generally things like supporting growth, the environment and other "larger than Australia" ideas, they are still just essentially the same type as the LNP and Labor where they refuse to consider alternatives to what they want. Vote Sex Party.

Well, there's two ways to look at it, appeasing the traffickers with money justifying what they are doing or having thousands of migrants attempt to come to Australia with many fatalities only to then be a huge burden on the economy and cause issues. Either way the traffickers are getting paid $2000 just like with Europe, the only way to crack down on this would be to extend border control to the countries these people are coming from and destroying boats and actively taking on the traffickers. Europe should be following Australia but both should be stopping it at the source, rather than temporary solutions.

Australian sex party? Don't you mean corporate lobbyists? That's what they are.

Nothing wrong with that? (Assuming they don't get all the votes anyway) I like what they are lobbying for, for the most part.

You like that they lobby for things such as granting sex shops a monopoly on tobacco sales? Going against their supposed liberal platform?

Of course not, but I don't like any of the parties, they all have things that I don't like, I have to vote for someone. I don't want them to get a majority of votes, I think they would do a terrible job. But I support a lot of their policies so I'd be happy if they got just a little recognition. [editline]17th June 2015[/editline] That sex shop thing wasn't that bad really, though I'm still not for it. [quote] “It doesn’t mean the traditional sex shop necessarily, but it does mean a tobacconist or it does mean age-restricting parts of your supermarkets, for example, where adult material is sold, like alcohol and tobacco”. [/quote]

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47988052]Australian sex party? Don't you mean corporate lobbyists? That's what they are.[/QUOTE] As if Liberal and Labor don't pander to lobbyists.

[QUOTE=download;47988129]As if Liberal and Labor don't pander to lobbyists.[/QUOTE] So what makes the sex party any better?

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47988138]So what makes the sex party any better?[/QUOTE] Do share what corporate bodies the Sex Party lobby for.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47987165]Before people jump on the boat (sorry) of attacking the Liberals for this, it has been alleged that Labor themselves did the same thing when they were in office and the opposition leader actually tried to avoid questions when he was asked about that. Well I mean the Abbott government should be criticised for continuing such a policy, if it is true, but both sides have been messy with border security.[/QUOTE] Uh, no. You're making the situation sound more simple than it is. Shorten has stated that he's been told by people in the former immigration office that they didn't pay out people smugglers to leave the country. Maybe they were paid for other reasons (I don't deny that), but as he was never in the immigration office during government I doubt he's in possession of all the facts I mean I'm not denying that both parties are terrible but the situations in which people smugglers may or may not have been paid are completely different regarding liberal and labor. There's evidence of liberals paying out people smugglers. There's none regarding labor - so far

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47988138]So what makes the sex party any better?[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.sexparty.org.au/policies.html[/url] They have very modern political views.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47988138]So what makes the sex party any better?[/QUOTE] Labor and Liberal Party are spineless cowards, who the fuck else do we vote for? Sex Party are the few parties that actually give a shit. Internet Censorship in Australia is starting up again if the Copyright Act Bill passes, the metadata bill has passed and Sex Party are the few (Scott Ludlam though from the Greens is fantastic) that are voicing their opposition.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47988052]Australian sex party? Don't you mean corporate lobbyists? That's what they are.[/QUOTE] You're thinking of the hunters and fishers.

So basically you could say, nothing really did change since the Howard years in reference to the asylum seeker issue. If both Labour and Liberal have toyed around with just passing off wads of cash to people smugglers to turn around, both parties should be held accountable. This makes things a whole lot more awkward, in that it's reached "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation because of the foreign-stigma still carried by many australians. We either find a better way of dealing with it, with less legal ramifications for the government & better treatment & processing of said people, or face an international judiciary for actively partaking in people smuggling. Basically conservative politics has exaggerated the issue, drumming up some unintended racism & bigotry while essentially stigmatizing it where even proper legal migrants are being told they're not welcome.

[QUOTE=reevezy67;47988176][url]https://www.sexparty.org.au/policies.html[/url] They have very modern political views.[/QUOTE] look at who im voting for in 2016

I'm not actually sure yet.