Obama: U.S. weighing steps to 'isolate Russia' over Ukraine crisis - Polidicks

[QUOTE]President Barack Obama said Monday the United States is examining a series of economic and diplomatic steps to "isolate Russia," and he called on Congress to work with his administration on an economic assistance package for Ukraine. Obama said that Russia's military moves in Crimea violated international law, adding that "no country has a right to send in troops to another country unprovoked." Obama said Russia should consider international condemnation of its military moves in Ukraine, adding that "over time, this will be a costly proposition" due to sanctions and isolation that will result if the situation continues or worsens. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry will offer Ukraine a "specific" package of U.S. economic aid when he travels to Kiev for talks Tuesday, Obama said.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/03/world/europe/ukraine-tensions/index.html[/url]

This is exactly what needs to be done.

oh man, the world really doesn't need any more wars because of politicians decisions and escalations...

[QUOTE=Explosions;44115404]This is exactly what needs to be done.[/QUOTE] [img]http://facepunch.com/image.php?u=343843&dateline=1391179792[/img]

[QUOTE=Explosions;44115404]This is exactly what needs to be done.[/QUOTE] yeah man I can't wait for another worldwide economical crisis, I mean it's been a while

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44115519]yeah man I can't wait for another worldwide economical crisis, I mean it's been a while[/QUOTE] So Russia should be allowed to invade and annex the territory of a sovereign nation and get away with it without any international pressure or costs? You're a Czech. You of all people should know that appeasement does nothing.

We could have prevented this long ago... Why didn't we listen to General Patton?

[QUOTE=seano12;44115711]We could have prevented this long ago... Why didn't we listen to General Patton?[/QUOTE] He never wanted those damned commies to take Berlin

It would be a great historical irony if Western nations forced another "Iron Curtain" on Russia.

[QUOTE=Flapjacks;44115923]It would be a great historical irony if Western nations forced another "Iron Curtain" on Russia.[/QUOTE] And then Russia becomes the next North Korea.

[QUOTE=pkhzor;44115950]And then Russia becomes the next North Korea.[/QUOTE] At least we have a lot of ski lifts to ride on. And the sad thing is that while i love my country and want it to be great etc, but in lond perspective this separation to countries is just slowing the mankind progress a lot. Call me cosmopolite or anything, but the only good way I see is to unite under someone's flag, and I see no single possibility this flag would be russian. I mean, we need one-polar world to make it real, so all this patriotic dickwaving just pushes the mankind backward from the stars and all this fancy sci-fi science stuff.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570335/Former-British-Ambassador-Moscow-warns-Russia-invaded-Ukraine-difficult-avoid-going-war.html[/url] As the artical says an old treaty with the UK and the US may have both obligated to go to war with Russia.

[QUOTE=Sage470;44116171][url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570335/Former-British-Ambassador-Moscow-warns-Russia-invaded-Ukraine-difficult-avoid-going-war.html[/url] As the artical says an old treaty with the UK and the US may have both obligated to go to war with Russia.[/QUOTE] First of all the source comes from the daily mail so...

[QUOTE=Sage470;44116171][URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570335/Former-British-Ambassador-Moscow-warns-Russia-invaded-Ukraine-difficult-avoid-going-war.html[/URL] As the artical says an old treaty with the UK and the US may have both obligated to go to war with Russia.[/QUOTE] I'm tempted to link some Ron Paul images after seeing this, but I'm much too lazy. I don't think the treaty will be honored, what about you guys?

[QUOTE=seano12;44116232]I'm tempted to link some Ron Paul images after seeing this, but I'm much too lazy. I don't think the treaty will be honored, what about you guys?[/QUOTE] I doubt it will. Honestly

[QUOTE=Nannak;44116218]First of all the source comes from the daily mail so...[/QUOTE] Its part of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances signed in 1994

[QUOTE=Nannak;44116218]First of all the source comes from the daily mail so...[/QUOTE] It is correct though, bad source or not, Russia has violated the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, so unless they plant some nukes in Crimea to make it look like Ukraine also violated it, then the US is obligated to force Russia out. Now whether anyone is actually going to bother upholding the obligation is another matter entirely.

[QUOTE=antianan;44116078]At least we have a lot of ski lifts to ride on. And the sad thing is that while i love my country and want it to be great etc, but in lond perspective this separation to countries is just slowing the mankind progress a lot. Call me cosmopolite or anything, but the only good way I see is to unite under someone's flag, and I see no single possibility this flag would be russian. I mean, we need one-polar world to make it real, so all this patriotic dickwaving just pushes the mankind backward from the stars and all this fancy sci-fi science stuff.[/QUOTE] We'd need to find another mankind for that though. With the one we have, that's not gonna work.

you guys are missing the main thing about this ukraine can now start building nukes again legally and this is exactly what the Svoboda party which is in the majority of the government has wanted for the longest time

[QUOTE=Explosions;44115538]So Russia should be allowed to invade and annex the territory of a sovereign nation and get away with it without any international pressure or costs? You're a Czech. You of all people should know that appeasement does nothing.[/QUOTE] Firstly, the situation is different. [I]Majority[/I] of Crimea is Russian. It's been Russian territory in relatively recent history. And lastly, Russia doesn't want anything from most of the Ukrainian state, they want [I]just[/I] Crimea. Secondly, I didn't say anything about appeasement, and I honestly don't have any great idea, but excuse me if I am not all hot over the idea of another worldwide recession.

[QUOTE=Turing;44116615]you guys are missing the main thing about this ukraine can now start building nukes again legally and this is exactly what the Svoboda party which is in the majority of the government has wanted for the longest time[/QUOTE] And? Let them. Nukes are no big deal for anyone but the country that wants to build them, that is if they can have them legally. No one's gonna use that stuff anyway. Good deterrence though, risks for doing bullshit get higher.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44116632]Firstly, the situation is different. [I]Majority[/I] of Crimea is Russian. It's been Russian territory in relatively recent history. And lastly, Russia doesn't want anything from most of the Ukrainian state, they want [I]just[/I] Crimea. Secondly, I didn't say anything about appeasement, and I honestly don't have any great idea, but excuse me if I am not all hot over the idea of another worldwide recession.[/QUOTE] Why the fuck do they have any right to take the land of a sovereign nation just because there happens to be a large population of ethnic Russians there? So any time a country gets a majority in the population their originating nation can invade and say that "yeah this area's mine now"?

[QUOTE=Reshy;44116696]Why the fuck do they have any right to take the land of a sovereign nation just because there happens to be a large population of ethnic Russians there? So any time a country gets a majority in the population their originating nation can invade and say that "yeah this area's mine now"?[/QUOTE] They are not in process of taking it, tho. They are defending their own installations and defending population who supports their presence. There's a referendum about seceding from Ukraine on Crimea, among the Crimean population. If the Crimean population decides to secede from Ukraine, who's to keep them away from it?

I'm wondering if isolation will end up having significant, unintended consequences. If Putin is willing to throw his country into an economic war of attrition over Crimea, how would the Russian citizens react? I ask this because in cases of countries faced with severe isolation, such as Iran, instead of the anger from the turmoil being directed at the people in charge, it is instead directed at those perpetrating the isolation, effectively unifying a country that under normal circumstances would be more divided. How do we know that isolation would not serve to validate the belief that the West is against Russia and cause support for Putin to skyrocket?

Naval blockade pls.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44116795] There's a referendum about seceding from Ukraine on Crimea, among the Crimean population. If the Crimean population decides to secede from Ukraine, who's to keep them away from it?[/QUOTE] Everyone. First, Crimea doesn't hold a referendum on seceding from Ukraine, it's about gaining more autonomy [b]inside[/b] Ukraine, so get your facts straight please. Second, even if it was, absolutely no one in the world would recognize the claim for independence that was done under the influence of another country, with said country's military forces present in the region: everyone will just handwave it as Russian tampering. So we just blew up supposed Crimean struggle for independence. Third, not only did we blew up Crimean claims, we also made it extremely fucked for everyone who decided to side with us: you can imagine what's gonna happen once our military and political leaders will be put in their place. Ukrainian government will go berserk on them, imprison all the current leaders there and no one would say anything.

America can't seem to keep it's Red White and Blue cock out of everyone else's ass, and the Russian's aren't having it so I'm just going to post up with popcorn and enjoy the ride.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44116632]Firstly, the situation is different. [I]Majority[/I] of Crimea is Russian. It's been Russian territory in relatively recent history. And lastly, Russia doesn't want anything from most of the Ukrainian state, they want [I]just[/I] Crimea.[/QUOTE] You just described the exact situation that the Sudetenland was in.

Putin has just made everyone's life a misery at this point: Ukraine will most likely never recover, Crimea will get squat for their autonomy, Eastern and Central industrial regions will get burdened with not only cosequences of Kiev's revolution, but also the damage done by Russia, direct and indirect, that is if we don't mention that Western regions, not particularly fond of East before, will now outright [b]hate[/b] them. And most likely Russian general public will enjoy the living in a sub-par conditions of a country with completely destroyed economy.

[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;44116929]America can't seem to keep it's Red White and Blue cock out of everyone else's ass, and the Russian's aren't having it so I'm just going to post up with popcorn and enjoy the ride.[/QUOTE] you have no idea whats going on do you?