N.J. legislature denies in-state tuition for illegal immigrants - Polidicks

[QUOTE]TRENTON - A proposal to let illegal immigrants pay in-state tuition at state colleges and universities failed to get enough support in the Legislature last night, ending its chance of becoming law in the near future. Sen. Ronald Rice (D., Essex), a sponsor, said he believed the plan was five votes short in the Democratic-controlled Senate. The measure was discussed in closed-door meetings, but was not put up for a vote in either the Senate or Assembly on the final day of the legislative session. With that, the measure lost its last chance to be voted on before Gov.-elect Christopher J. Christie takes office next Tuesday. He opposes the plan. Advocates said the measure would help the children of illegal immigrants who attend high school in New Jersey afford college and give them the chance to become more productive members of society. They said children brought to New Jersey by their parents should not be punished for that decision. Supporters now must regroup after an eight-year push to see the measure approved. Some hope for national immigration reform. Rice said he hoped to discuss the measure with Christie to see if a compromise could be worked out. Opponents balked at voting for a measure that would provide benefits to illegal immigrants during a time of economic turbulence and angst. Democrats control both houses, but were unable to muster the votes needed in the Senate, where they hold a 22-17 edge with one seat vacant. Republicans had promised uniform opposition. "There are legal immigrants and U.S. citizens who are struggling today to provide for their children in the highest-taxed state in the country, and they're going to find that they have fewer seats [at public colleges] for their children" if the bill were to be approved, Assemblyman Scott Rudder (R., Burlington) said. Daniel Santo Pietro, executive director of the Hispanic Directors' Association, an umbrella group for Latino nonprofits, said the difficulty securing votes showed that "the tone" in the public debate was unfavorable for the proposal. "We just have to overcome the concept, the knee-jerk reaction, to immigration being a problem," Santo Pietro said. In-state tuition at some schools, including Rutgers, is half as much as out-of-state rates. Opponents argued that the lower rates were subsidized by legal residents who paid taxes here. Rudder said that if the bill were approved, a Delaware resident who lives in the country legally would pay more to attend Rutgers than an illegal immigrant. While supporters said they hoped for national changes, the tide on the issue appears to be against them. Ten states allow illegal immigrants to pay in-state rates at public colleges. But since 2006, at least four states have barred the practice and at least one, South Carolina, has blocked illegal immigrants from enrolling in public colleges. Under the New Jersey bill, illegal immigrants could have qualified for in-state tuition if they attended a high school in the state for at least three years, graduated or received the equivalent of a diploma from a New Jersey school, and submitted an affidavit that they had applied to legalize their immigration status. Monmouth University Polling Institute director Patrick Murray said the showdown carried more lasting political implications than the same-sex marriage vote last week. In bad economic times, he said, blame often falls on immigration. "There is a public anger out there about benefits to illegal immigrants that could come back to bite some of these legislators in two years when they're running for reelection," Murray said. After emerging from a closed discussion on the bill in which Democrats realized they did not have enough support, Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D., Union) said it was "a shame" the measure would not pass. "People were afraid politically that they would be considered to be helping illegal aliens," Lesniak said.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20100112_N_J__legislature_denies_in-state_tuition_for_illegal_immigrants.html[/url] :patriot:

Smart plan, make it harder for people to get an education. Because people with less education make more money and pay more taxes, am I right?

How the fuck could illegal immigrants be classified "in-state" in the first place?

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;19601720]Smart plan, make it harder for people to get an education. Because people with less education make more money and pay more taxes, am I right?[/QUOTE] Illegal Immigrants don't pay taxes.

I don't get it, they SHOULD have it? They're not even supposed to be in this Country, let alone schools.

I don't like this program but our country got to where it is today by being flexible. Those that are able to adapt last the longest.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;19601777]Illegal Immigrants don't pay taxes.[/QUOTE] Everyone pays taxes. You buy some gas for your car, you pay taxes. You buy some smokes, you pay taxes. You buy clothes, you pay taxes. You own property, you pay taxes. When you have a shitty job, you pay less taxes than if you had a better job. If you make a low enough amount of money, you pay no taxes on that income. Therefore, the plan should be to make it easy for people to get the training/education needed for the good paying jobs, right? Instead, people seem to want to keep illegals as far away from college as possible.

Good now all they have to do is not give out huge scholarships from SPORTS. Not just in NJ, EVERYWHERE.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;19602038]Everyone pays taxes. You buy some gas for your car, you pay taxes. You buy some smokes, you pay taxes. You buy clothes, you pay taxes. You own property, you pay taxes. When you have a shitty job, you pay less taxes than if you had a better job. If you make a low enough amount of money, you pay no taxes on that income. Therefore, the plan should be to make it easy for people to get the training/education needed for the good paying jobs, right? Instead, people seem to want to keep illegals as far away from college as possible.[/QUOTE] Illegals don't pay taxes. :v:

[QUOTE=evilweazel;19601788]I don't get it, they SHOULD have it? They're not even supposed to be in this Country, let alone schools.[/QUOTE] They'd become more productive and would benefit the state economy. If NJ can afford it then this wouldn't be a problem at all. [editline]07:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19602052]Illegals don't pay taxes.[/QUOTE] Buuuullshit, NJ has a sales tax.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19602052]Illegals don't pay taxes.[/QUOTE] what a wonderful refutation backed by sound reasoning

[QUOTE=thisispain;19602071]They'd become more productive and would benefit the state economy. If NJ can afford it then this wouldn't be a problem at all. [editline]07:27PM[/editline] Buuuullshit, NJ has a sales tax.[/QUOTE] My state is basically bankrupt anyways. The general census of the people living here is to make enough money to [i]move out of state[/i].

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;19602038]Everyone pays taxes. You buy some gas for your car, you pay taxes. You buy some smokes, you pay taxes. You buy clothes, you pay taxes. You own property, you pay taxes. When you have a shitty job, you pay less taxes than if you had a better job. If you make a low enough amount of money, you pay no taxes on that income. Therefore, the plan should be to make it easy for people to get the training/education needed for the good paying jobs, right? Instead, people seem to want to keep illegals as far away from college as possible.[/QUOTE] that kind of tax is not what he means, and they'll pay that regardless of their education.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19602102]My state is basically bankrupt anyways. The general census of the people living here is to make enough money to [i]move out of state[/i].[/QUOTE] :allears: blame the illegal immigrants or something I don't know

-snip I cant read.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;19602321]Giving illegals an education is a great, beneficial idea, but right now with the economy all shot to hell, I don't think they can afford it right now. But in the future when we're stable again, it can only help.[/QUOTE] It's got nothing to do with the economy and high-end workforces can only improve the economy.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;19602321]Giving illegals an education is a great, beneficial idea, but right now with the economy all shot to hell, I don't think they can afford it right now. But in the future when we're stable again, it can only help. That or they can apply for citizenship, which isn't as hard as some people think it is.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand. This bill is blocking illegal immigrants from buying in-state tuition with their own money. Nothing to do with the government paying for it.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19602592]I don't think you understand. This bill is blocking illegal immigrants from buying in-state tuition with their own money. Nothing to do with the government paying for it.[/QUOTE] Rate me bad reading, i'm an idiot.

No offense, I'm in belief that any illegal immigrant should be forced back across the border if they're caught in America again they should be punished severely. In other words.... Thank you, New Jersey for not being a socialist twat.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;19603270]No offense, I'm in belief that any illegal immigrant should be forced back across the border if they're caught in America again they should be punished severely. In other words.... Thank you, New Jersey for not being a socialist twat.[/QUOTE] You're welcome

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19602052]Illegals don't pay taxes. :v:[/QUOTE] Which has nothing to do with the title, they voted to disallow them from PAYING in-state tuition rates. As in paying for their own education.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19603300]Which has nothing to do with the title, they voted to disallow them from PAYING in-state tuition rates. As in paying for their own education.[/QUOTE] Okay? Bash the person who brought up the illegals/taxes subject. I came after it began.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;19603270]Thank you, New Jersey for not being a socialist twat.[/QUOTE] bahahahaha oh my god ahhaahahaha i had no idea that socialism involved illegal immigrants and tuition are you fucking serious or are you just a hilarious person by heart? [editline]08:48PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19603319]Okay? Bash the person who brought up the illegals/taxes subject. I came after it began.[/QUOTE] we all know you get off to nationalism it's nothing new

[QUOTE=thisispain;19603344] [editline]08:48PM[/editline] we all know you get off to nationalism it's nothing new[/QUOTE] So instead of bashing people who brought up the subject, he quotes my sarcastic remark instead...?

[QUOTE=thisispain;19603344]bahahahaha oh my god ahhaahahaha i had no idea that socialism involved illegal immigrants and tuition are you fucking serious or are you just a hilarious person by heart?[/QUOTE] it's joeskylynxx. He's always been that hilarious

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19603382]So instead of bashing people who brought up the subject, he quotes my sarcastic remark instead...?[/QUOTE] You can't add ellipses and then a question mark F for whatever you just did

[QUOTE=thisispain;19603429]You can't add ellipses and then a question mark F for whatever you just did[/QUOTE] But I did just add an ellipses then a question mark. What are you going to do about it? :smug:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19603457]But I did just add an ellipses then a question mark. What are you going to do about it? :smug:[/QUOTE] call you names like smelly

[QUOTE=thisispain;19603523]call you names like smelly[/QUOTE] Shit I am defenseless against such insults

I feel bad for all the illegal immigrants who genuinely affordable education. It's hard to resist the temptations of making a quick buck or joining a gang in their economic status, and bullshit measures like this won't help.