San Francisco Police Department Chief Greg Suhr resigns - Polidicks

[URL="http://abc7news.com/news/sf-mayor-announces-police-chiefs-resignation-after-fatal-police-shooting-/1345944/"]source[/URL] [quote]SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee has announced that Police Chief Greg Suhr tendered his resignation following a fatal officer-involved shooting this morning. Toney Chaplin has been named as the new acting police chief.[/quote]

This... is pretty big, isn't it? I wonder how serious this shooting was to have the guy resign like that. [editline]20th May 2016[/editline] Reading the article, it sounds like the mayor's trying to go into damage control. The guy's replacement for now is more than qualified, at least. Ed Lee's going to take a lot of flak for this from all sides. If he was trying to avoid a mess, he potentially just created an even bigger one.

The car was reported stolen. The police approached the car, the driver panicked and ran the car forward 100 feet, crashing. The cops ran towards the car, which 'began switching between forward and reverse' causing the cops to feel they needed to evade. One shot was fired, lethally. [B]It turned out the 'thief' was a family member.[/B] The mayor asked for the resignation of the chief because other questionable shootings had at the time prompted a 17 day hunger strike by activists. In this resignation, they are agreeing (whether just for show or truly) that use of lethal force needs re-evaluation.

[QUOTE=bitches;50356316]The car was reported stolen. The police approached the car, the driver panicked and ran the car forward 100 feet, crashing. The cops ran towards the car, which 'began switching between forward and reverse' causing the cops to feel they needed to evade. One shot was fired, lethally. [B]It turned out the 'thief' was a family member.[/B] The mayor asked for the resignation of the chief because other questionable shootings had at the time prompted a 17 day hunger strike by activists. In this resignation, they are agreeing (whether just for show or truly) that use of lethal force needs re-evaluation.[/QUOTE] I think given what you've told me, it does. A car switching between gears, which may well have been the occupant panicking, wasn't a reason to use lethal force, especially if the officers were physically capable of getting out of the way. They might be a little too trigger happy in the SFPD - or a little too jumpy. Either way, sounds like they fucked up big time.

[QUOTE=archangel125;50356571]I think given what you've told me, it does. A car switching between gears, which may well have been the occupant panicking, wasn't a reason to use lethal force, especially if the officers were physically capable of getting out of the way. They might be a little too trigger happy in the SFPD - or a little too jumpy. Either way, sounds like they fucked up big time.[/QUOTE] In Cleveland they justified turning a car into swiss cheese because it was thrown into reverse after officers were dumb enough to stand behind it It was a much different situation, but they justified firing hundreds of rounds because 1 officer was stupid enough to jump out of his car and get in the way

[QUOTE=Sableye;50357660]In Cleveland they justified turning a car into swiss cheese because it was thrown into reverse after officers were dumb enough to stand behind it It was a much different situation, but they justified firing hundreds of rounds because 1 officer was stupid enough to jump out of his car and get in the way[/QUOTE] So you're saying they should've let the cop get run over?

[QUOTE=Sableye;50357660]In Cleveland they justified turning a car into swiss cheese because it was thrown into reverse after officers were dumb enough to stand behind it It was a much different situation, but they justified firing hundreds of rounds because 1 officer was stupid enough to jump out of his car and get in the way[/QUOTE] In a way, the whole point of law enforcement officers is to "get in the way." That's literally a cop's job: to prevent people from doing things they shouldn't be, and that includes running people over, cop or not.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;50362743]So you're saying they should've let the cop get run over?[/QUOTE] We're saying that cops shouldn't be standing behind cars if they're clearly going to get run over if they do. [editline]21st May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Apache249;50362803]In a way, the whole point of law enforcement officers is to "get in the way." That's literally a cop's job: to prevent people from doing things they shouldn't be, and that includes running people over, cop or not.[/QUOTE] It's not worth the risk to just dumbly stand behind a car that's going in reverse, whether you're trying to stop the driver or not. And shooting into the car as it's backing up to "stop the driver" is a fucking dumb idea, way too large of a risk to hit a different family member, especially considering the car is constantly changing position, making it harder to aim. And what if you miss, and get hit?

[QUOTE=Apache249;50362803]In a way, the whole point of law enforcement officers is to "get in the way." That's literally a cop's job: to prevent people from doing things they shouldn't be, and that includes running people over, cop or not.[/QUOTE] No like the other dozen officers were away and behind cars, one gun ho idiot decided to do the opposite, get between the car and his car, as well as all of his buddies with guns then when the shooting started he jumped on the car and shot the driver a dozen times If he hadn't been so reckless they may have been able to talk things out as the car had been trapped at that point by a huge mass of police cars

The officer's job was to apprehend the criminal. When he stood behind the car, he gave the criminal the choice of giving up peacefully or attempting to commit murder. The criminal made the choice to try to kill the police officer.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50366200]No like the other dozen officers were away and behind cars, one gun ho idiot decided to do the opposite, get between the car and his car, as well as all of his buddies with guns then when the shooting started he jumped on the car and shot the driver a dozen times If he hadn't been so reckless they may have been able to talk things out as the car had been trapped at that point by a huge mass of police cars[/QUOTE] It is perfectly within the scope of policing for an officer to get behind a suspect's car to block it. If the suspect intentionally runs him/her over, then it's on them, and they get to face the consequences. It isn't the cop's duty to save you from the law.

[QUOTE=geel9;50366223]The officer's job was to apprehend the criminal. When he stood behind the car, he gave the criminal the choice of giving up peacefully or attempting to commit murder. The criminal made the choice to try to kill the police officer.[/QUOTE] I don't think you're familiar with the situation at all [url]http://m.cleveland19.com/19actionnews/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:GENE3W7o[/url] The police officer was later fired for recklessness, as we're 5 others because they greatly misjudged the situation and reported that they were being shot at The whole police force fucked up because a handful of officers greatly overreacted to a backfiring car

[QUOTE=Sableye;50366357]I don't think you're familiar with the situation at all [url]http://m.cleveland19.com/19actionnews/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:GENE3W7o[/url] The police officer was later fired for recklessness[/QUOTE] Then you did a very poor job of explaining it: [QUOTE=Sableye;50366200]No like the other dozen officers were away and behind cars, one gun ho idiot decided to do the opposite, get between the car and his car, as well as all of his buddies with guns then when the shooting started he jumped on the car and shot the driver a dozen times If he hadn't been so reckless they may have been able to talk things out as the car had been trapped at that point by a huge mass of police cars[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sableye;50357660]In Cleveland they justified turning a car into swiss cheese because it was thrown into reverse after officers were dumb enough to stand behind it It was a much different situation, but they justified firing hundreds of rounds because 1 officer was stupid enough to jump out of his car and get in the way[/QUOTE] Yes, because we can all sprint 100 mph to avoid a car collision. You do realize there are pillars in the car that will deflect or stop bullets from hitting the cabin right? [img]https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--2GPH5eNl--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18bxp9x7oxalijpg.jpg[/img] In order to get a clean shot IF NEEDED which in this case it was guess where you'll need to be to shoot the driver? Maybe behind it? Let me know what you would do in split seconds. Must be pretty shocking to know your own family member fucked up and made your name look bad. Hope the old Chief isn't hurting too bad for his loss.

[QUOTE=meatwad253;50366590]Yes, because we can all sprint 100 mph to avoid a car collision. You do realize there are pillars in the car that will deflect or stop bullets from hitting the cabin right? [img]https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--2GPH5eNl--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18bxp9x7oxalijpg.jpg[/img] In order to get a clean shot IF NEEDED which in this case it was guess where you'll need to be to shoot the driver? Maybe behind it? Let me know what you would do in split seconds. Must be pretty shocking to know your own family member fucked up and made your name look bad. Hope the old Chief isn't hurting too bad for his loss.[/QUOTE] What you guys don't seem to get is that in civilized countries, cops don't use just any old excuse to pull the trigger. They do in yours.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50357660]In Cleveland they justified turning a car into swiss cheese because it was thrown into reverse after officers were dumb enough to stand behind it It was a much different situation, but they justified firing hundreds of rounds because 1 officer was stupid enough to jump out of his car and get in the way[/QUOTE] Perhaps the criminal is stupid enough to comply with lawful orders and not commit more felonies, I dunno. I'm too stupid to do my job, right.

[QUOTE=archangel125;50367473]What you guys don't seem to get is that in civilized countries, cops don't use just any old excuse to pull the trigger. They do in yours.[/QUOTE] As far as the law is concerned, if you attempt to run over someone with your car, they have the right to use lethal force against you. This was purely, 100% a political move. It had almost nothing to do with the shooting besides it being convenient timing.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;50367665]As far as the law is concerned, if you attempt to run over someone with your car, they have the right to use lethal force against you. This was purely, 100% a political move. It had almost nothing to do with the shooting besides it being convenient timing.[/QUOTE] Well, exactly. But I'm talking about the shooting itself. From what I've read here, the victim didn't attempt to run anyone over, she started freaking out and switching the gears on her car. That still doesn't warrant deadly force.

[QUOTE=geel9;50366223]The officer's job was to apprehend the criminal. When he stood behind the car, he gave the criminal the choice of giving up peacefully or attempting to commit murder. The criminal made the choice to try to kill the police officer.[/QUOTE] The criminal doesn't want to always purposefully kill them, don't immediately fucking say it was his goal to kill him.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50367733]The criminal doesn't want to always purposefully kill them, don't immediately fucking say it was his goal to kill him.[/QUOTE] what do you think driving your car towards someone with no sign of stopping is

[QUOTE=archangel125;50367675]Well, exactly. But I'm talking about the shooting itself. From what I've read here, the victim didn't attempt to run anyone over, she started freaking out and switching the gears on her car. That still doesn't warrant deadly force.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Police were on an operation looking for stolen cars when they found one parked with a 27-year-old woman inside. "One occupant in the car, a black female," said Suhr. "The female did not comply originally with the investigation, drove off." The car crashed into a parked truck. Suhr says the vehicle never went beyond 100 feet of where it was first parked on Elmira Street; this as two officers chased the car. "Apparently the vehicle was going from forward to reverse according to the witness at the scene," said Suhr. "There was a back and forth with the vehicles, with the officers moving about. At some point in this engagement one officer, a sergeant, fired one shot striking the suspect."[/QUOTE] You don't just [i]drive off[/i] when you're in park. You have to put it into drive. Then, she crashed it and went into reverse. It's assumed that she accelerated during the "back and forth". She wasn't just sitting there fucking with the gears when they just came up and shot her.