Berlusconi defends Mussolini at Holocaust memorial ceremony - Polidicks

[t]http://imgkk.com/i/-obu.jpg[/t] [url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/27/uk-italy-berlusconi-mussolini-idUKBRE90Q0B020130127[/url] [quote]Former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi triggered outrage from Italy's political left on Sunday with comments defending fascist wartime leader Benito Mussolini at a ceremony commemorating victims of the Nazi Holocaust. Speaking at the margins of the event in Milan, Berlusconi said Mussolini had been wrong to follow Nazi Germany's lead in passing anti-Jewish laws but that he had in other respects been a good leader.[/quote] I'm Silvio Berlusconi please don't vote for me

[QUOTE=smurfy;39377876][t]http://imgkk.com/i/-obu.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] fgsfds?

Hey Berlie, keep acting like Mussolini. [I]You'll end up like him[/I]

Might have been because I lived in the north, but all the Italians I know agree with him. Have yet to talk to one that doesn't.

Hitler was a good leader. He conquered Europe, almost had Russia in his grip, too, but I don't support fascism or the Nazi movements and ideals. Media sensationalism at it again.

so just in case you somehow needed yet more evidence that this guy is a hideous cock, here you go

[QUOTE=Jacknife;39377993]Hitler was a good leader. He conquered Europe, almost had Russia in his grip, too, but I don't support fascism or the Nazi movements and ideals. Media sensationalism at it again.[/QUOTE] Hitler was a shit leader, it was his staff that did most of the strategic work.

"Good leader" is pretty subjective, but I wouldn't vote for someone who thinks a fascist dictator is a good leader

[QUOTE=Jacknife;39377993]Hitler was a good leader. He conquered Europe, almost had Russia in his grip, too, but I don't support fascism or the Nazi movements and ideals. Media sensationalism at it again.[/QUOTE] The only "clever" thing Hitler did was get himself into a position as head honcho. He made terrible strategic decisions (lol attack Russia whilst we're busy with the western front), terrible decisions regarding funding (let's not fund assault rifles and instead fund V2s, a huge amount of money and work for something that kills more slaves than enemies) and a load of other things. It was his underlings who were responsible for most of it working out for the short period it did. Hell, even his economic policies were terrible. Oh yeah, and genocide of certain sections of your own populace doesn't generally come under good.

[QUOTE=Jacknife;39377993]Hitler was a good leader. He conquered Europe, almost had Russia in his grip, too, but I don't support fascism or the Nazi movements and ideals. Media sensationalism at it again.[/QUOTE]Hitler single-handedly caused Germany to lose the war. His only real achievement was getting into power in the first place.

YOU STUPID FUCK. His house will probably get burned down in a month. "The racial laws were the worst fault of Mussolini as a leader, who in so many other ways did well," I take back what I said. EDIT: He's still an idiot.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;39378300]Hitler single-handedly caused Germany to lose the war. His only real achievement was getting into power in the first place.[/QUOTE] Hitler could have *barely* held Western Europe for a few years if he hadn't declared war on the Soviet Union.

berlusconi is an idiot, i don't get how he managed to even become prime minister of italy lol.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;39378300]Hitler single-handedly caused Germany to lose the war. His only real achievement was getting into power in the first place.[/QUOTE] Indeed. His rash decisions and inability to commit to plans and strategies led to his downfall. Pro-tip: don't declare war on the USA when you are already fighting the USSR and British Empire.

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6VJZvmIwxeY/Tg8Vb_4O-xI/AAAAAAAAAJE/tGLp2QOqi4g/s400/mussolini-hanging-with-mistress400.jpg+%2528384%25C3%2597273%2529.jpg[/img] Go ahead Silvio, I dare you.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;39378271]Berlusconi can never get as cool as Mussolini. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Mussolini1.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE] Italians: Hand-waveing instead of dick-waveing.

[QUOTE=Jacknife;39377993]Hitler was a good leader. He conquered Europe, almost had Russia in his grip, too, but I don't support fascism or the Nazi movements and ideals. Media sensationalism at it again.[/QUOTE] Hitler was a good speaker and an economic genius. But that's it. He was a massive fool to make so many military decisions by himself. I'd have to say that's what caused his downfall. Well, that and his poor decisions for staff.

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;39379860]Hitler was a good speaker and an economic genius. But that's it. He was a massive fool to make so many military decisions by himself. I'd have to say that's what caused his downfall. Well, that and his poor decisions for staff.[/QUOTE] He was pretty damn poor at managing the economy, his fiscal policies would have led to the fall of the whole thing in a pretty short period of time, it was pretty much just the war that kept it all rolling on from what I've read. He was a good speaker, though.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;39379882]He was pretty damn poor at managing the economy, his fiscal policies would have led to the fall of the whole thing in a pretty short period of time, it was pretty much just the war that kept it all rolling on from what I've read. He was a good speaker, though.[/QUOTE] Exactly. He managed to start the war, thus, as a by-product, keeping the German economy afloat. But his poor decisions in the war cost him his leadership and his life.

[QUOTE=David29;39378494]Indeed. His rash decisions and inability to commit to plans and strategies led to his downfall. Pro-tip: don't declare war on the USA when you are already fighting the USSR and British Empire.[/QUOTE] Pro-tip while you're fighting the British Empire, don't declare war on the USSR, then the USA.

Mussolini honestly wanted no part in the European conflict. He wanted to keep his new-found territories in Ethiopia, and that was about it. And then Hitler Hitler'd everything up.

[QUOTE=The Haski;39380519]Pro-tip while you're fighting the British Empire, don't declare war on the USSR, then the USA.[/QUOTE] I was tempted to mention that. However, the USSR was a bit of a problem in the sense that if Hitler had have delayed the attack then the Soviet Forces would have been more prepared for an attack - arguably to the point that the USSR would have attacked Germany first. The success of Operation Barbarossa was due to the disorganisation of the Soviet Forces and the fact that Stalin hadn't expected Germany to attack so soon. Hitler realised this and his plan [i]nearly[/i] worked, so I can't really call him out on it. [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39380575]Mussolini honestly wanted no part in the European conflict. He wanted to keep his new-found territories in Ethiopia, and that was about it. And then Hitler Hitler'd everything up.[/QUOTE] Not really. Mussolini wanted to build a new Roman Empire but knew with France and the UK around, that wasn't going to happen. He also knew he couldn't beat France alone. So he took the sneaky route and stayed out of the war until he was sure France was going to fall, and then declared war on France and the UK. He knew that France was fucked and then it would only be a matter of time until the UK surrendered and he got a free hand in Africa. This kind of worked, until the UK refused to surrender and started kicking their arse in North Africa and Greece. The Italy basically became Germany's bitch and had to help in out in places like Russia in return for helping them in Greece and Africa.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;39378022]Hitler was a shit leader, it was his staff that did most of the strategic work.[/QUOTE] Proof?

[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;39380931]Proof?[/QUOTE] Read a history book.

[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;39380931]Proof?[/QUOTE] When planning for Fall Gelb: "Hitler was disappointed with Halder's plan and initially reacted by deciding that the German army should attack early, ready or not, in the hope that Allied unpreparedness might bring about an easy victory. This led to a series of postponements, as commanders repeatedly persuaded Hitler to delay the attack for a few days or weeks to remedy some critical defect in the preparations, or to wait for better weather. Hitler also tried to alter the plan which he found unsatisfactory, without clearly understanding how it could be improved."

[QUOTE=David29;39378494]Indeed. His rash decisions and inability to commit to plans and strategies led to his downfall. Pro-tip: don't declare war on the USA when you are already fighting the USSR and British Empire.[/QUOTE] Or the fact that he never did anything and just used to sit in his luxury escape in the mountains.

Another big fuckup hitler did; the E-series tanks was supposed to be a new line of tanks which were ment to share many parts with eachother to improve production speed over the other line of tanks that they currently used (Because just about every vehicle the germans had back then used seperate parts, meaning to build a seperate tank model they had, they would need a seperate factory line and so on to produce that model of the tank alone more or less) but instead he favoured the terrible Maus project over it, a 188 ton monster that could not be transported for very long distances, could not cross bridges, was underpowered in terms of its engine, a easy target for aircraft, terrible fucking mileage, and took forever to produce as back then they had no where near the type of tools we have now.

[QUOTE=kaven;39378767]Italians: Hand-waveing instead of dick-waveing.[/QUOTE] Extreme gesticulating, the latest Olympic sport.

[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;39380931]Proof?[/QUOTE] He ordered the 6th Army to it's doom in Stalingrad by ordering them to fight to the last man instead of allowing them to break through the pocket or abandoning the city before it was too late. Hitler wanted to stop the production of one of the most revolutionary weapons designs because it was [b]too ugly.[/b] Throughout the Eastern Front, Hitler adamantly ordered many generals to 'fight to the last man' even holding out on his staffs pleas for requesting withdrawals from doomed defenses. Hitler wanted to bomb people instead of vital harbors and ports in England into thinking that he could demoralize the British

[QUOTE=David29;39380712]I was tempted to mention that. However, the USSR was a bit of a problem in the sense that if Hitler had have delayed the attack then the Soviet Forces would have been more prepared for an attack - arguably to the point that the USSR would have attacked Germany first. The success of Operation Barbarossa was due to the disorganisation of the Soviet Forces and the fact that Stalin hadn't expected Germany to attack so soon. Hitler realised this and his plan [i]nearly[/i] worked, so I can't really call him out on it.[/QUOTE] you can thank the battle of smolensk for the soviet victory. if not for the unexpected and harsh resistance there that bogged down the central army group for over 2 months, moscow probably would have fallen. i mean the germans were incredibly close to defeating the soviets. [QUOTE=David29;39381047]When planning for Fall Gelb: "Hitler was disappointed with Halder's plan and initially reacted by deciding that the German army should attack early, ready or not, in the hope that Allied unpreparedness might bring about an easy victory. This led to a series of postponements, as commanders repeatedly persuaded Hitler to delay the attack for a few days or weeks to remedy some critical defect in the preparations, or to wait for better weather. Hitler also tried to alter the plan which he found unsatisfactory, without clearly understanding how it could be improved."[/QUOTE] source?