N. Korea's Leader Hints of Long-Range Missile Test
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[quote] North Korean leader Kim Jong Un hinted Sunday that Pyongyang may ring in the new year with another bang — the test-launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile.
In his annual New Year's address, Kim said that after testing what the North claims was its first hydrogen bomb last year, preparations for launching an intercontinental ballistic missile have "reached the final stage"[/quote]
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/koreas-leader-hints-long-range-missile-test-launch-44496066[/url]
The years may come and go, but North Korea seems to act the same.
Edit: Edited wording to hopefully prevent more confusion.
this time he's declaring war on the atlantic ocean
Yeah, maybe it's time to actually put our foot down.
I mean, we invaded Iraq because of nuclear weapons they didn't even have, there's really nothing stopping us from doing [I]something[/I]. No one even has North Korea's back at this point, the international repercussions aside from rebuilding the country would probably be pretty small.
Just imagine if he had a Twitter account...
[QUOTE=Reaper297;51611498]The years may come and go, but North Korea seems to stay the same.[/QUOTE]Except they aren't staying the same they're getting more threatening.
[QUOTE=Killer900;51611529]Except they aren't staying the same they're getting more threatening.[/QUOTE]
I was mostly referring to them doing missile and nuclear tests again like they've done for the past several years. I mean, I feel it's obvious that they're going to get to a point where they become a credible threat. You test your weapons for so many years and you're bound to make some advancements eventually.
I will admit I am curious to see what will happen this year.
[QUOTE=Reaper297;51611575]I was mostly referring to them doing missile and nuclear tests again like they've done for the past several years. I mean, I feel it's obvious that they're going to get to a point where they become a credible threat. You test your weapons for so many years and you're bound to make some advancements eventually.
I will admit I am curious to see what will happen this year.[/QUOTE]
Atlantian armies, enraged by the debris, march on Pyongyang.
They can put small satellites into orbit. They should be able to do an ICBM. Nuclear weapon re-entry vehicles are a different story.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51611523]Yeah, maybe it's time to actually put our foot down.
I mean, we invaded Iraq because of nuclear weapons they didn't even have, there's really nothing stopping us from doing [I]something[/I]. No one even has North Korea's back at this point, the international repercussions aside from rebuilding the country would probably be pretty small.[/QUOTE]
If the US and Korea invaded NK, NK would carry out their own version of the samson option. What's to stop them from doing stuff like having nuclear kamikaze bombers
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51611882]If the US and Korea invaded NK, NK would carry out their own version of the samson option. What's to stop them from doing stuff like having nuclear kamikaze bombers[/QUOTE]
Microization.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51611882]If the US and Korea invaded NK, NK would carry out their own version of the samson option. What's to stop them from doing stuff like having nuclear kamikaze bombers[/QUOTE]
Heavy reconnaissance and missile silo/airfield sabotage, probably.
Most of their equipment is pretty outdated, I don't know if they'd be able pick up advanced stealth bombers.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51611882]If the US and Korea invaded NK, NK would carry out their own version of the samson option. What's to stop them from doing stuff like having nuclear kamikaze bombers[/QUOTE]
money
[QUOTE=OvB;51611968]Microization.[/QUOTE]
Unless they plan to use their nuclear bombs in a defensive role. That is to say, nuclear mines
You don't need a small bomb when you plan to hide it, wait for the enemy to get close, and blow it up.
[QUOTE=T553412;51612074]Unless they plan to use their nuclear bombs in a defensive role. That is to say, nuclear mines
You don't need a small bomb when you plan to hide it, wait for the enemy to get close, and blow it up.[/QUOTE]
NK nuking themselves at the cost of a [B]few[/B] US/SK forces sounds fine by me, I mean why not just self destruct at this point?
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51611523]Yeah, maybe it's time to actually put our foot down.
I mean, we invaded Iraq because of nuclear weapons they didn't even have, there's really nothing stopping us from doing [I]something[/I]. No one even has North Korea's back at this point, the international repercussions aside from rebuilding the country would probably be pretty small.[/QUOTE]
The US invaded Iraq because of [B]chemical[/B] weapons production. Since Saddam actually gassed the Kurds previously there was more precedent. [b]You cannot just invade a country because it has nuclear weapons. That is [U]how you get your ass nuked.[/U][/b]
[editline]2nd January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;51612099]NK nuking themselves at the cost of a [B]few[/B] US/SK forces sounds fine by me, I mean why not just self destruct at this point?[/QUOTE]
Sociopath.
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;51612099]NK nuking themselves at the cost of a [B]few[/B] US/SK forces sounds fine by me, I mean why not just self destruct at this point?[/QUOTE]
Well you can sign up to be one of the [B]few[/B].
NK is best dealt with democratically. An act of aggression on them would horrible and end in a lot of innocent people dying. It would also bring up a lot of other issues and create alot of tension globally.
[QUOTE=DOCTOR LIGHT;51612240]The US invaded Iraq because of [B]chemical[/B] weapons production. Since Saddam actually gassed the Kurds previously there was more precedent. [b]You cannot just invade a country because it has nuclear weapons. That is [U]how you get your ass nuked.[/U][/b][/QUOTE]
Iraq WAS invaded because of nuclear weapons, at least based on speculation that they had them. That's why President Bush wouldn't shut the fuck up about them having "Weapons of Mass Destruction". That was one of the biggest reasons for the coalition invading, alongside the nature of Saddam Hussein's regime. They obviously didn't have them, but we invaded them nonetheless.
Ahh, Kim's War Against The Sea continues unabated! Lemme guess, itt'l be a feast in his office if this one makes it 500 miles before exploding, yah?
[QUOTE=DOCTOR LIGHT;51612240]The US invaded Iraq because of [B]chemical[/B] weapons production. Since Saddam actually gassed the Kurds previously there was more precedent. [b]You cannot just invade a country because it has nuclear weapons.[/b][/quote]
This much I agree with. However.... [quote][b]That is [U]how you get your ass nuked.[/U][/b][/QUOTE]
You'd have a point if we were talking about a nation with a competent missile program and a competent warhead program. North Korea has neither of those. IIRC they have at best a 66% success rate with their warhead tests, zero actual warheads in inventory as every single one they've built so far has been used in a test, and the most threatening missile they've ever built knocked a hole in Poseidon's SEA resort home barely a few hundred miles away.
Even if by some miracle the NOrks got a warhead on an ICBM and got it launched it's [i]still[/i] not a viable threat to the US. Our missile shield may not be able to stem a full scale launch from someone with a proven stockpile the size of Russia's, but a single half-assed missile flying purely on chance with targeting systems straight out of the 1950s? Pfft. We'd shoot it down and that'd be the end of it. It'd take us about 20 minutes and a single ASAT missile to obliterate [i]months[/i] of progress on their part.
In case you were wondering, no, I don't consider North Korea a threat. I'm more worried about one of Russia's dilapidated early warning computers malfunctioning and launching something than I am a North Korean launch ever threatening the US. South Korea, China, perhaps Japan, sure. Best Kim could conceivably hit one of those areas. But not the US. Maybe in 20 years they'll be a threat to us, right now they're a laughing stock. And, realistically, Kim's not stupid. He knows damn well the implications MAD has for him and his country if he ever did launch something at an actual target. He knows full well a single US missile sub can annihilate every city in his country and he'd never know where it was, never know the missiles were coming until the mushroom clouds rose up against the skies. At most all he'll do is brag and boast and sabre rattle, just like he always does.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51612252]NK is best dealt with democratically. An act of aggression on them would horrible and end in a lot of innocent people dying. It would also bring up a lot of other issues and create alot of tension globally.[/QUOTE]
While I agree that rolling a bunch of M1A2s up Kim's front porch steps isn't the best move, what else would we do? We've been trying the diplomatic/peaceful approach for [i]decades[/i]. It clearly does not work. We've sanctioned them into the next dimension, denounced them, we've done pretty much everything short of military invention since the ceasefire went into effect. Yet their nuclear program continues unabated, and the only reason they don't have any useable weapons right now is pure luck on our part and their propensity to set the warheads off in tests rather than stockpile them.
Funnily enough, if it did come to it, I probably would sign up. Perfect excuse to get a pilot's license and college tuition paid for.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51612252]NK is best dealt with democratically. An act of aggression on them would horrible and end in a lot of innocent people dying. It would also bring up a lot of other issues and create alot of tension globally.[/QUOTE]
Good luck finding a democratic solution, it doesn't exist and it won't as long as the Kim family is in charge.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51612312]
In case you were wondering, no, I don't consider North Korea a threat. I'm more worried about one of Russia's dilapidated early warning computers malfunctioning and launching something
[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/26/479588478/report-u-s-nuclear-system-relies-on-outdated-technology-such-as-floppy-disks"]Just on a side note[/URL]. Anyway, as long as it works, why replace it.
[QUOTE=antianan;51612617][URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/26/479588478/report-u-s-nuclear-system-relies-on-outdated-technology-such-as-floppy-disks"]Just on a side note[/URL]. Anyway, as long as it works, why replace it.[/QUOTE]
It just makes me really nauseous to think that if someone waved a discreet electromagnet over anything they would sow corruption like the plague, destroying information that won't be discovered as lost until it is needed.
If NK really wants to fuck SK up, why don't they just have saboteurs bring galaxy note 7s?
depends what their definition of 'long-range' is
[QUOTE=Reaper297;51611498]The years may come and go, but North Korea seems to stay the same.[/QUOTE]
in terms of society and economy north korea is actually undergoing some change now
for instance its a de facto market economy and capitalist country now, with a tiny (but growing) middle class and the development of wealth. theres increasing macroeconomic stability, food prices and currency is much more stable than in the 2000s
theyve also mostly ended most food security threats with famine not being as big an issue as it used to be, theyre approaching self sufficiency in terms of food production (although imports are still important). Also the recent sanctions have barely done anything to north korea and if anything have only stimulated domestic industries.
north korean policy at the moment is nuclear weapons development concurrently with economic development. you can argue about the ins and outs of both, but ultimately they have taken noticeable steps forward in both areas since 2010
[QUOTE=Perrine;51611502]this time he's declaring war on the atlantic ocean[/QUOTE]
That motherfucker better not blow up muh tuna
[QUOTE=antianan;51612617][URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/26/479588478/report-u-s-nuclear-system-relies-on-outdated-technology-such-as-floppy-disks"]Just on a side note[/URL]. Anyway, as long as it works, why replace it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, ours is well maintained though. Outdated, sure, but it isn't dilapidated. I don't fear an accidental false positive sending any Minutemen III up into the air.
However, I don't trust the Russian early warning/launch detection systems to be as well cared for, especially considering the transfer of power from Soviet governance to 'democratic' governance throughout the 90s and the associated lack of money. We've already had one scare where the only thing stopping total nuclear annihilation was an officer at one of these stations judging the computers to be giving a false positive and ordering the base to stand down rather than allow a retaliatory strike. There's precedent and, as much as I'd like to believe Russia is doing everything they can to make sure it doesn't happen(And modern Russia can certainly afford to ensure their computers are in tip-top shape), I'm still somewhat worried they'll have another false positive.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51612313]Good luck finding a democratic solution, it doesn't exist and it won't as long as the Kim family is in charge.[/QUOTE]
The "kill 'em all" attitude of people here is frightening.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51612941]in terms of society and economy north korea is actually undergoing some change now
for instance its a de facto market economy and capitalist country now, with a tiny (but growing) middle class and the development of wealth. theres increasing macroeconomic stability, food prices and currency is much more stable than in the 2000s
theyve also mostly ended most food security threats with famine not being as big an issue as it used to be, theyre approaching self sufficiency in terms of food production (although imports are still important). Also the recent sanctions have barely done anything to north korea and if anything have only stimulated domestic industries.
north korean policy at the moment is nuclear weapons development concurrently with economic development. you can argue about the ins and outs of both, but ultimately they have taken noticeable steps forward in both areas since 2010[/QUOTE]
I will admit I wasn't aware that North Korea was improving that much. I guess you do learn something new everyday. As I mentioned above though, I was really commenting more on the fact that they are going through with more missile tests like they have been doing for the past couple years. I guess I should probably edit my post to prevent more confusion.
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;51612099]NK nuking themselves at the cost of a [B]few[/B] US/SK forces sounds fine by me, I mean why not just self destruct at this point?[/QUOTE]
A few thousand, if not dozens of thousands, SK and US forces. Not to mention they would probably design their bombs to spew as much radioactive fallout as possible, rendering large areas of land unhabitable for centuries.
Sure, that sounds like a great fucking idea. Why not destroy North Korea and keep it from being rebuild into something decent within a few hundred lifetimes. Fucking kickass.
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