And more depressing news from South Korean ferry disaster: Diver finds boy, girl drowned with life j - Polidicks

[quote]JINDO, South Korea — Angry relatives of some of the more than 120 people still missing from the sinking of the ferry Sewol surrounded the fisheries minister and the coast guard chief Thursday, preventing them from leaving the area where families have been waiting for word of their loved ones for more than a week. The news came amid further heartbreaking details from divers working at the site. Reuters reported that a boy and girl were found drowned with their life jackets tied together — possibly so they wouldn’t be separated. The diver who found them was forced to carry up their corpses separately. “I started to cry thinking that they didn’t want to leave each other,” he told a local newspaper. The families made the latest expression of fury and desperation in a disaster filled with signs that the government did too little to protect passengers. An opposition politician said he has a document showing that the ferry was carrying far more cargo than it should have been. Relatives of the missing passengers surrounded Oceans and Fisheries Minister Lee Ju-young, coast guard chief Kim Seok-kyun and deputy chief Choi Sang-hwan. The men sat on the ground under a tent where details about the recovered dead — now numbering 175 — are posted. Some of the family members shouted at the officials, accusing them of lying about the operation, demanding that the search continue through the night and asking why hundreds of civilian divers have not been allowed to join coast guard and navy personnel in searching for bodies. Some of the relatives cried through the tense scene. [/quote] [url]http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04/24/south-korea-ferry-diver-finds-boy-girl-drowned-with-life-jackets-tied-together-they-didnt-want-to-leave-each-other/[/url] [quote] Mokpo: South Korean divers swam though dark, cold waters into a sunken ferry, feeling for children's bodies with their hands in a maze of cabins, corridors and upturned decks as they searched for hundreds of missing. The divers, with oxygen and communications lines trailing, can only see a few inches in front of them in the wreckage of the ship that started sinking a week ago after a sharp turn. Most of the victims were high school children, who were told to stay where they were for their own safety. And most of the bodies found in the past two days had broken fingers, presumably from the children frantically trying to climb the walls or floors to escape in their final moments, media said. [/quote] Read more: [url]http://www.smh.com.au/world/south-korea-ferry-disaster-childrens-corpses-reveal-desperate-attempts-to-escape-the-sewol-20140424-zqyec.html#ixzz2zvK8hVD3[/url] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXf_PlajY9E[/media] [quote] Before he dove into the cold and murky waters of South Korea's southwest coast, Jung Cha-Woong gave his life jacket to a scared classmate, saving his friend’s life as the ferry they were on began to sink into the sea. But 17-year-old Jung wasn’t so lucky. He was among the hundreds who didn’t survive the doomed ferry that capsized off the country’s coast on April 16, ABC News’ Joohee Cho reports. “I can’t believe it,” the teen’s mother wailed over and over, later collapsing over her son’s school desk, sobbing and unable to stand on her own two feet.[/quote] [url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/south-korea-ferry-victim-gave-friend-life-jacket/story?id=23430418[/url] Jesus fucking christ all the stories coming out are terrible. I can't imagine being a cop or diver in that situation.

I hope the captain rots in jail.

[QUOTE=discofex;44642976]I hope the captain rots in jail.[/QUOTE] For what?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44642987]For what?[/QUOTE] He told everyone stay where they were while he hopped off. [editline]25th April 2014[/editline] He was pretty much the reason they all died.

[QUOTE=Bumrang;44643019]He told everyone stay where they were while he hopped off. [editline]25th April 2014[/editline] He was pretty much the reason they all died.[/QUOTE] He was on the ship just as long as everyone else.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643038]He was on the ship just as long as everyone else.[/QUOTE] he was one of the first ones off, he told people not to leave the ship as it was sinking, it took 2 hours to fully sink, apparently not every person heard the evacuation order

[QUOTE=discofex;44642976]I hope the captain rots in jail.[/QUOTE] It's a sad situation but we really need to hear the captians testimony and any ship logs before we jump onto the hate train.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643038]He was on the ship just as long as everyone else.[/QUOTE] You might want to look into this story a bit more, he wasn't on the bridge when the shit started sinking, he ordered everyone to stay put, he was then one of the first people on the rescue ship. Its maritime law for a captain to make sure the ship is properly evacuated before he can leave.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643038]He was on the ship just as long as everyone else.[/QUOTE] No he wasn't, he left right as it started sinking. [editline]25th April 2014[/editline] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/21/world/asia/ship-captain-role/[/url]

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44643050]he was one of the first ones off, he told people not to leave the ship as it was sinking, it took 2 hours to fully sink[/QUOTE] It took about 20-30 minutes for the ship to roll almost totally on its side. He told people to stay put due to fear of exposure to cold water and strong currents. I would like a link showing where he left the ship early.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643088]It took about 20-30 minutes for the ship to roll almost totally on its side. He told people to stay put due to fear of exposure to cold water and strong currents. I would like a link showing where he left the ship early.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.edition.cnn.com/2014/04/18/world/asia/south-korea-ship-sinking/index.html?hpt=hp_t1[/URL] [quote]The captain was one of at least 174 people rescued soon after the Sewol began to sink[/quote] Before anyone says "but anyone would have done the same", keep in mind that he is the captain of the ship. It is his duty to ensure the safety of all of his passengers. He did not ensure that the evacuation order was conveyed to all passengers in a timely manner, leading to many being trapped in the sinking ship as it went down. The accident itself may or may not have been on him, but the hundreds of deaths certainly are.

[QUOTE=Bumrang;44643060]No he wasn't, he left right as it started sinking. [editline]25th April 2014[/editline] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/21/world/asia/ship-captain-role/[/url][/QUOTE] He was on the ship at least until it had rolled 60 degrees, at which point all communications on the ship where knocked out.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643088]It took about 20-30 minutes for the ship to roll almost totally on its side. He told people to stay put due to fear of exposure to cold water and strong currents. I would like a link showing where he left the ship early.[/QUOTE] [url]http://time.com/71828/south-korea-ferry-sewol-captain-lee-junseok/[/url] “Specifically under Article 10 of the Korean Seaman’s Act, it makes it a crime to go ahead and depart the vessels ahead of the passengers,”

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;44643120][url]http://www.edition.cnn.com/2014/04/18/world/asia/south-korea-ship-sinking/index.html?hpt=hp_t1[/url][/QUOTE] The ship was floundering completely on its side by the time he had evacuated. I'm not an expert in maritime stuff but I am not sure what good staying on the ship at that point would have done.

[QUOTE]Divers searching a sunken passenger ferry off South Korea found 48 bodies in a single room on the vessel meant to accommodate 38 people, officials say. The group was crammed into a dormitory and all were wearing lifejackets, a South Korean Navy officer said. Some 183 bodies have been recovered from the Sewol, but scores of people are missing, presumed drowned. The head of the operation to retrieve bodies said on Friday he had "no idea" how long the ship search would take. There were 476 people on board, with many trapped inside as the ferry listed and sank within two hours of distress signals being sent. A total of 174 passengers were rescued. Many of those who died or are presumed dead were students and teachers from Danwon high school, south of Seoul. Furious relatives attacked the speed of the recovery operation on Friday in a confrontation with the fisheries minister and the coastguard chief. 'It's very stressful' In a briefing to reporters on the southern island of Jindo, Navy Captain Kim Jin-Hwang described the difficult conditions that the divers were facing. He said one group had found the single dormitory room filled with the bodies of 48 students wearing lifejackets. The presence of so many victims in the cabin suggested many had run into the room when the ship tilted, correspondents said. "It's very stressful," Kim said, adding that the divers were all too aware of criticism over the speed of the search.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27162157[/url] Fuck

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;44643136][url]http://time.com/71828/south-korea-ferry-sewol-captain-lee-junseok/[/url] “Specifically under Article 10 of the Korean Seaman’s Act, it makes it a crime to go ahead and depart the vessels ahead of the passengers,”[/QUOTE] Once again I am not sure what was to be done. The passengers that where trapped where trapped regardless if he stayed on a bit longer.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643144]The ship was floundering completely on its side by the time he had evacuated. I'm not an expert in maritime stuff but I am not sure what good staying on the ship at that point would have done.[/QUOTE] The captain is not allowed to evacuate before everyone else has.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643124]He was on the ship at least until it had rolled 60 degrees, at which point all communications on the ship where knocked out.[/QUOTE] [quote]The captain initially told passengers to stay in their rooms and waited more than half an hour to issue an evacuation order as the ferry Sewol sank Wednesday. By then the ship had tilted so much it is believed that many of the roughly 240 people still missing could not escape.[/quote] [quote]Lee, 68, has said he waited to issue an evacuation order because the current was strong, the water was cold and passengers could have drifted away before help arrived. But maritime experts said he could have ordered passengers to the deck — where they would have had a greater chance of survival — without telling them to abandon ship.[/quote] He literally told them to wait in their rooms, and they couldn't be saved, and then he saved himself.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643038]He was on the ship just as long as everyone else.[/QUOTE] No matter what, the Captain is always the last one off the ship in situations like this. Citizens and children always come first.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643152]Once again I am not sure what was to be done. The passengers that where trapped where trapped regardless if he stayed on a bit longer.[/QUOTE] He could have told people to get out of the ship instead of staying put for a start.

[QUOTE=Bumrang;44643153]The captain is not allowed to evacuate before everyone else has.[/QUOTE] He should have just stayed and died then, thats about all he could have done.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643182]He should have just stayed and died then, thats about all he could have done.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]He could have told people to get out of the ship instead of staying put for a start.[/QUOTE] Please stop ignoring this, it's quite important.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44643154]He literally told them to wait in their rooms, and they couldn't be saved, and then he saved himself.[/QUOTE] He told them to stay in their rooms and then was unable to issue an evacuation order. Should they have been sent to the deck? Yea I imagine, but everyone who is out for his blood is surprising me. [editline]25th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=RainbowStalin;44643205]Please stop ignoring this, it's quite important.[/QUOTE] Where did I ignore that? The ships ability to broadcast was knocked out by the time it became apparent that the ship was going to be lost.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643207]He told them to stay in their rooms and then was unable to issue an evacuation order. Should they have been sent to the deck? Yea I imagine, but everyone who is out for his blood is surprising me. [/QUOTE] Well when he got to shore he lied about who he was on the ship, he didn't say he was the captain and tied to go into hiding.

[QUOTE=bigmansham;44643291]Well when he got to shore he lied about who he was on the ship, he didn't say he was the captain and tied to go into hiding.[/QUOTE] Link? I really haven't heard anything about that.

Keep in mind that the waters they were in were 12°C. At this temperature, hypothermia would set in after roughly 90 min, although you would probably drown long before that if you didn't have a lifejacket. The captain had a valid reason to ask the passengers to stay put first.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;44643311]Keep in mind that the waters they were in were 12°C. At this temperature, hypothermia would set in after roughly 90 min, although you would probably drown long before that if you didn't have a lifejacket. The captain had a valid reason to ask the passengers to stay put first.[/QUOTE] Why not on the deck of the ferry? Why inside their rooms? [quote]He said one group had found the single dormitory room filled with the bodies of 48 students wearing lifejackets. The presence of so many victims in the cabin suggested many had run into the room when the ship tilted, correspondents said.[/quote] I know not every single person could have fit on the deck, but it could have saved more.

[QUOTE=counterpo0;44643491]Why not on the deck of the ferry? Why inside their rooms? I know not every single person could have fit on the deck, but it could have saved more.[/QUOTE] I should probably clarify that I have no opinion on the captain's actions, given the lack of information. However, I'd guess that it's because the ferry was already listing so badly that moving the passengers to the deck could have sped up the capsizing, hence the delay in the order to evacuate. No one knows for sure though, and I'd refrain from making judgement until the official investigation is completed.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;44643311]Keep in mind that the waters they were in were 12°C. At this temperature, hypothermia would set in after roughly 90 min, although you would probably drown long before that if you didn't have a lifejacket. The captain had a valid reason to ask the passengers to stay put first.[/QUOTE] Still doesn't excuse not ordering everyone to at least evacuate to the upper deck, instead of ordering them to stay and ultimately leave over 300 passengers, mostly children to die.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44643144]The ship was floundering completely on its side by the time he had evacuated. I'm not an expert in maritime stuff but I am not sure what good staying on the ship at that point would have done.[/QUOTE] International Maritime Law states that no matter what, if a ship is not properly evacuated of all crew and passengers, then the captain stays on board. It doesn't matter if it's even one bloody person, if they go down with the ship, so does the captain.