Lawsuit seeks to stop Nestle from pumping water out of California lake that they haven't had a permi - Polidicks

[img]http://i.imgur.com/jOjJTJc.jpg[/img] [quote=Huffington Post]Under fire from locals, former forest employees and environmental groups, the Swiss-based company insists there's nothing wrong with piping tens of millions of gallons of water out of San Bernardino National Forest every year -- despite the fact that Nestlé's permit to extract water from the park technically expired in 1988. On Tuesday, three environmental groups filed a suit in a California federal court against the United States Forest Service, demanding it stop Nestlé from taking the water, sold in its "premium" Arrowhead brand. The company has no right to pipe out water since its permit expired almost 30 years ago, plaintiffs claim. They say that Nestlé's operation is damaging the forest. “Bottled water is not a contributing factor to the drought,” the chief executive of Nestlé’s water subsidiary in the U.S., Tim Brown, wrote in a recent op-ed for the San Bernardino County Sun. Nestlé uses about 705 million gallons of water in the state each year, “roughly equal to the annual average watering needs of two California golf courses,” he said. Nestlé referred HuffPost to a defense of the San Bernardino operation on its website. The company says it removes 25 million gallons of water a year from the forest and that this does not harm the environment. [/quote] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lawsuit-nestle-water-california_561ea2a1e4b050c6c4a3e900?ir=Technology&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000042[/url] [url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/03/05/bottling-water-california-drought/24389417/[/url] [url]http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/oct/13/nestle-california-drought-bottled-water-permit-forest[/url] [url]http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2015/nestle-10-13-2015.html[/url] I feel that this deserves more attention. I had a hard time finding sources that didn't have things like "truth" "revolution" or "wake up" in the name, but this is a legitimate issue and not tinfoil fodder.

Nestlé are basically corporate psycho's. That's the company whose Ceo proclaimed that water is not a basic human right, but a foodstuff.

That's about 100,000 cubic metres per year. That's really not much.

[QUOTE=Ehmmett;48928905]They're in a drought???[/QUOTE] If it wasn't being sold in a fancy bottle with a markup it would still get drunk. Only from a tap instead.

[QUOTE=download;48928904]That's about 100,000 cubic metres per year. That's really not much.[/QUOTE] So how many cubic metres is okay to steal without a permit by your standards? Where's the limit?

[QUOTE=download;48928908]If it wasn't being sold in a fancy bottle with a markup it would still get drunk. Only from a tap instead.[/QUOTE] Yes let's ship water AWAY from the state that's currently in need of water we're helping! :downs:

[QUOTE=download;48928908]If it wasn't being sold in a fancy bottle with a markup it would still get drunk. Only from a tap instead.[/QUOTE] Flawless logic right here. Let's forget about all the water needed to produce the bottles in the first place, shiping and the fact that they don't have a permit. "Dude, don't steal my bike!" "You would have driven through my street anyway!"

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[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;48928952]So how many cubic metres is okay to steal without a permit by your standards? Where's the limit?[/QUOTE] This sounds far more like an administrative mistake than outright stealing. [QUOTE=Fapplejack;48928962]Yes let's ship water AWAY from the state that's currently in need of water we're helping! :downs:[/QUOTE] Most of this water is apparently drunk in Arizona and California, so not really.

[QUOTE=download;48928908]If it wasn't being sold in a fancy bottle with a markup it would still get drunk. Only from a tap instead.[/QUOTE] Except the people getting it from the tap are metered and have to pay for it, usually.

Tap water tastes like shit here. We have so many things using up water out here. Farms and vineyards for instance. I'd be fine with Water Bottle companies fucking off.

[QUOTE=download;48928908]If it wasn't being sold in a fancy bottle with a markup it would still get drunk. Only from a tap instead.[/QUOTE] Flawless logic. "It's okay to rape this person because they were going to have sex with someone eventually anyway." Breaking the law is breaking the law, twist and contort it all you want, but in the end they're still breaking the law by not having a permit for that water.

[QUOTE=download;48928991]This sounds far more like an administrative mistake than outright stealing. [/QUOTE] Outright stealing? Absolutely not. This could be a clearical issue that neither did the forest service hasn't caught in 30 years, or perhaps an insider job. The Illuminati is behind all of this!

I cared until I read they take as much water as two California golf courses do each year.

All the plastic bottle crap. If its not emptying a lake then its all the tonne's of plastic that goes into making these bottle's. Having drinkable (Not taste like shit) tap water should be a top priority to enviromental agency's if you ask me. Yet you never hear anything about it.

Ever has Nestle Pure Life water? Sources: PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY, Allentown, PA

[QUOTE=taipan;48929892]All the plastic bottle crap. If its not emptying a lake then its all the tonne's of plastic that goes into making these bottle's. Having drinkable (Not taste like shit) tap water should be a top priority to enviromental agency's if you ask me. Yet you never hear anything about it.[/QUOTE] A ton of bottled water use is used by people working in outdoor or construction environments. I probably go through at least 5 bottles a day at work.

I find it kind of funny that golf courses are the first thing they think to compare their water consumption to. Middle of a major drought and they're just like "Whatever, we woulda just used it to water our golf courses anyways!"

Arrowhead water tastes fucking good though man

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;48930217]A ton of bottled water use is used by people working in outdoor or construction environments. I probably go through at least 5 bottles a day at work.[/QUOTE] Here they just re-fill their bottle's at a tap connected to the city's water supply or a drum filled at a random tap. My office's water cooler is also just a cooler connected to the standard water supply. This saves tonne's of plastic.

Golf courses use 350 million gallons of water a year? Jeez.

[QUOTE=download;48928991]This sounds far more like an administrative mistake than outright stealing.[/QUOTE] They're literally being sued over this how can you possibly think it was just an honest mistake

[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;48934799]I find it kind of funny that golf courses are the first thing they think to compare their water consumption to. Middle of a major drought and they're just like "Whatever, we woulda just used it to water our golf courses anyways!"[/QUOTE] More like there are far bigger offenders than Nestle when it comes to wasting water, so going after them in particular with this sense of self-righteousness seems rather misplaced. Bottled water (all companies, not just Nestle) accounts for something like two hundredths of a percent of California's water use. There's all this righteous indignation against Nestle bottling water while other businesses get away with using far more. Now, going after them if they're illegally taking the water is totally legitimate, but the link from The Guardian says: [quote]“Like several hundred other special permit holders in the San Bernardino National Forest – and some 3,000 nationwide – whose permit is under review, our permit remains valid and, according to federal law, ‘does not expire until the application has been finally determined by the agency’.”[/quote] So, if they're still legally using a permit that expired in 1988, it's because the Forest Service did not revoke the permit. If that's the case then I don't see how the plaintiffs can win this. Maybe it'd be better to pressure the Forest Service into revoking the permit instead.

They bottle... lake water? Like, not spring or artesian well water, but fucking lake water?

[QUOTE=Paramud;48935296]They're literally being sued over this how can you possibly think it was just an honest mistake[/QUOTE] The interesting bit is that it's not nestle being sued, but the USFS.

[QUOTE=Killuah;48928986]Flawless logic right here. Let's forget about all the water needed to produce the bottles in the first place, shiping and the fact that they don't have a permit. "Dude, don't steal my bike!" "You would have driven through my street anyway!"[/QUOTE] Well that asside, the plastic was probably not produced in California, or used water to make the bottle But taking water without permits for almost a decade is wrong especially in a drought

[QUOTE=Sableye;48935971]Well that asside, the plastic was probably not produced in California, or used water to make the bottle But taking water without permits for almost a decade is wrong especially in a drought[/QUOTE] Yeah, What is ethics?

[QUOTE=Sableye;48935971]But taking water without permits[B] for almost a decade[/B] is wrong especially in a drought[/QUOTE] the permit expired in 1988 over 27 years ago that's 2.7 decades 2.7 million cubic meters extracted over a quarter century without a permit a single cubic meter of water is 35,273.96 oz, and a standard bottle of water is 16.9 oz one cubic meter is just a bit over 2,087 bottles of water 5,635,485,900 illegally filled bottles of water a 24 pack is pretty cheap through staples at 8.99, so ~37.5 cents a bottle $2,113,307,212.50 (that's "billions") equivalent in today's money without a licence to take it "well other people like the golf courses are using up a lot of water too!" thanks, we'll look into their permits