some hospitals may adjust their chargemaster prices if you tell them you are uninsured, but only somewhat.
This show is perfect for answering all my "am I crazy or..." questions.
thats fucking ridiculous, the hospital here gave me a $40,000 treatment that wasn't even government subsidized for free. like shit I can't even afford the $45 dollar GP fees here, I can't imagine not having anywhere to go to get medical help if you have nothing at all. that's fucking horrifying.
I love free markets
I hate this dude's attitude. While he does say a lot of factually correct things and opens me up to new perspectives, he tries to tell you how to think rather than let you figure things out based on the facts. He's way better than anyone on youtube, at least.
It's for the show. He has a podcast where he's normal.
They were waaaaay off with saline bags.
They don't go into $175, they go into [url=https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2013/08/27/the-secret-of-salines-cost-why-a-1-bag-can-cost-700]$700[/url].
[QUOTE=space1;52514361]I hate this dude's attitude. While he does say a lot of factually correct things and opens me up to new perspectives, he tries to tell you how to think rather than let you figure things out based on the facts. He's way better than anyone on youtube, at least.[/QUOTE]
thats just his show personality.
however, I will point out that this show doesnt always provide the [I]whole[/I] truth
[video=youtube;MQLbakWESkw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQLbakWESkw[/video]
Thanks Canada, we aren't the best (I'm looking at you Denmark you perfect example of a country) but we are leagues above America
[QUOTE=da space core;52514430]thats just his show personality.
however, I will point out that this show doesnt always provide the [I]whole[/I] truth
[video=youtube;MQLbakWESkw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQLbakWESkw[/video][/QUOTE]
He actually directly addressed this in an AMA Recently and they plan to do an episode where they correct themselves on the times they were wrong, sort of an "adam ruins adam ruins everything"
I don't like how he goes out of his way to say that it isn't a political problem and sneaks in how politicians are bribed to not fix anything at the end.
Ehhh, this isn't quite the whole truth either.
So he is a good chunk of the way there, but missed out on a few key facts.
The hospitals themselves also get screwed on malpractice insurance. Not only for the doctors, but also for the equipment itself. This bumps the price of equipment up significantly, which again would be manageable, except for when it isn't.
Since you get treatment whether you can afford it or not (usually), many procedures are done that the hospital isn't compensated for, so the hospital in turn needs to shift the cost to everyone else in order to recoup their losses. This is called cost shifting.
So between health insurance companies, cost shifting, and the various malpractice/equipment insurances, it is one giant fucking shitshow that can effectively only be resolved with universal healthcare.
There's also a whooole ton of medical waste. Some of it's reasonable, some of it's, "Oh, this ultrasound machine is a year old. Time to go in the garbage!"
There's a lot of charities out there trying to get that medical "waste" shipped to other countries and communities that need it. [url=https://www.propublica.org/article/what-hospitals-waste]Here's one such article.[/url]
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;52514489]Thanks Canada, we aren't the best (I'm looking at you Denmark you perfect example of a country) but we are leagues above America[/QUOTE]
Ionno, I'm landing in Canada as a Permanent Resident and am on a few groups to help immigrants hit the ground running when they get to Canada. One of the groups was having an argument about the necessity of taking health insurance until coverage from provincial health programs kick in like OHIP.
[URL="https://www.qch.on.ca/uploads/Finance/Fees%20for%20Cdns%20without%20insurance.pdf"]
That's when someone put up this. [/URL]
:wideeye:
Mind you, this data isn't even fresh but if it's even as close as this, as an uninsured person in Canada, you're still fucked.
This is a fever dream of an idea so it's probably terrible and poorly thought out but I was thinking.
One of the major reasons people don't like social health care is that they need to pay taxes. I'd be in favour of letting people opt out of taxation but they then get no support from the social health system and have gotta pay for it all.
You'd probably struggle to run a social health care service of a bunch of people opted out, though.
[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;52517743]This is a fever dream of an idea so it's probably terrible and poorly thought out but I was thinking.
One of the major reasons people don't like social health care is that they need to pay taxes. I'd be in favour of letting people opt out of taxation but they then get no support from the social health system and have gotta pay for it all.
You'd probably struggle to run a social health care service of a bunch of people opted out, though.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that a lot of people, maybe even a majority, would opt out because they don't quite understand the economics of it. People, when offered, would rather take $100 today than $2000 in 10 months. This is a basic fact of human psychology. People would opt out because "Oh I'll never get that sick, it's fine, I could really use that $60/month instead."
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52517767]The problem is that a lot of people, maybe even a majority, would opt out because they don't quite understand the economics of it. People, when offered, would rather take $100 today than $2000 in 10 months. This is a basic fact of human psychology. People would opt out because "Oh I'll never get that sick, it's fine, I could really use that $60/month instead."[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that seems to be the line of thinking of a lot of people who are opposed to the NHS.
"But I never use the hospital so why do I pay taxes for it, it's my money whoops now I have cancer and suddenly the NHS is amazing"
[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;52517743]This is a fever dream of an idea so it's probably terrible and poorly thought out but I was thinking.
One of the major reasons people don't like social health care is that they need to pay taxes. I'd be in favour of letting people opt out of taxation but they then get no support from the social health system and have gotta pay for it all.
You'd probably struggle to run a social health care service of a bunch of people opted out, though.[/QUOTE]
The problem that those who would be more likely to use the program would be those with the least money to pay in and those the least likely to opt in would have the most to put it. Programs like that always work by having those at the top subsidize those on the bottom.
Whether people like to admit it or not, there are advantages to having a private system. The wait times are shorter, you can see a specialist faster, you have greater access to non-necessary procedures, etc. Those who can afford it would take these advantages over using the public system.
Was the guy playing Uncle Sam from WKUK?
I've always thought that to combat this, government should implement some sort of price ceiling on hospitals so that they don't take advantage over this sort of thing. I mean, this is [B]seriously[/B] over the inflation rate, like college. Is this a bad idea? Am I ignorant on some sort of matter that I don't know about?
Edit: I mean, besides the government itself.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52520014]The problem that those who would be more likely to use the program would be those with the least money to pay in and those the least likely to opt in would have the most to put it. Programs like that always work by having those at the top subsidize those on the bottom.
Whether people like to admit it or not, there are advantages to having a private system. The wait times are shorter, you can see a specialist faster, you have greater access to non-necessary procedures, etc. Those who can afford it would take these advantages over using the public system.[/QUOTE]
It's possibly to have public and private systems side by side, though. Those that can afford it can just pay private insurance on top of their taxes if they want to. Many of those things can be accomplished in a public system as well, though, you just need enough funds.
yea both systems side by side work great here in Germany
[QUOTE=GunFox;52514851]Ehhh, this isn't quite the whole truth either.
So he is a good chunk of the way there, but missed out on a few key facts.
The hospitals themselves also get screwed on malpractice insurance. Not only for the doctors, but also for the equipment itself. This bumps the price of equipment up significantly, which again would be manageable, except for when it isn't.
Since you get treatment whether you can afford it or not (usually), many procedures are done that the hospital isn't compensated for, so the hospital in turn needs to shift the cost to everyone else in order to recoup their losses. This is called cost shifting.
So between health insurance companies, cost shifting, and the various malpractice/equipment insurances, it is one giant fucking shitshow that can effectively only be resolved with universal healthcare.[/QUOTE]
So if my one dose in the form of a shot into my gums from an entire vial that costs $4 total to produce cost me $650, is ANYONE paying for anything for the cost to be shifted so ridiculously. My 10 minute stay in a completely empty 2 AM ER cost me $650 and that's all that was done
[QUOTE=TheTalon;52523562]So if my one dose in the form of a shot into my gums from an entire vial that costs $4 total to produce cost me $650, is ANYONE paying for anything for the cost to be shifted so ridiculously. My 10 minute stay in a completely empty 2 AM ER cost me $650 and that's all that was done[/QUOTE]
To be fair, you can't sell drugs simply for what they cost to produce, they also need to fund the research and development of that drug, any drugs that failed the research process and also fund the research of future research and development of products.
[QUOTE=Mmrnmhrm;52523815]To be fair, you can't sell drugs simply for what they cost to produce, they also need to fund the research and development of that drug, any drugs that failed the research process and also fund the research of future research and development of products.[/QUOTE]
Did you even watch the video before commenting.
Sure r&d is expensive but not [I]that [/I]expensive.
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