Nationwide Yakuza war officially kicks off, police form task force to stop it - Polidicks

[quote]Top officials from the National Police Agency’s organized crime divisions nationwide gathered Tuesday for an emergency meeting in Tokyo in a bid to head off a potentially explosive conflict between the country’s biggest crime syndicate and a splinter group. The meeting came a day after the NPA declared the Yamaguchi-gumi and the breakaway Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi to be “in a state of war.” The agency also set up a special task force to deal with the conflict following a spate of violent incidents pitting the groups against each other since their Aug. 27 split. NPA Commissioner General Masahito Kanetaka called on the division chiefs to pay particular attention to protecting citizens in bustling urban areas and along school routes. “With the conflict expected to escalate in the future, we should aim to weaken it in one fell swoop,” Kanetaka said. A total of 49 violent incidents across 20 prefectures have been linked to the conflict since last year. The police have made a series of raids and arrests over the incidents. These have included cases of gunfire, Molotov cocktails being thrown and cars being crashed into offices and homes of top gang members, according to the NPA. The Yamaguchi-gumi, based in Kobe, has been rocked by internal strife since late last year following the defection of several top leaders who formed the rival group.[/quote] [url]http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/03/07/national/crime-legal/police-set-unit-stop-yakuza-war/[/url] [url]http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/police-set-up-unit-to-stop-yakuza-civil-war[/url] [url]http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201603080048[/url]

implying japanese police ever fucking do anything about yakkers

[QUOTE=Shogoll;49900034]implying japanese police ever fucking do anything about yakkers[/QUOTE] lately haven't they arrested one of the leaders or something? leading to a major faction of the yakuza to become fragmented and split up amongst each other? I assume this is a result of that [video=youtube;HEDAAxwb-Nw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEDAAxwb-Nw[/video]

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49900085]lately haven't they arrested one of the leaders or something? leading to a major faction of the yakuza to become fragmented and split up amongst each other? I assume this is a result of that [video=youtube;HEDAAxwb-Nw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEDAAxwb-Nw[/video][/QUOTE] When it comes to criminal organizations, especially if there was a fracture/decapitation, there will be a power vacuum. Instead of having one head of an organization, now Japan is bracing for multiple factions competing.

i'm a little confused. if the yakuza is losing relevancy and are fractured beyond recognition at this point, what does a war actually accomplish? what's the goal? is it just an act of desperation? i can't see this making the yakuza any stronger or make any more kids want to join and become members. maybe for what's left of the individual groups, but that seems like a short term solution.

Ah, So they cut off the head of the snake and let the body bleed. Very smart. Japan.

This has been happening to an increasing extent worldwide - organized crime is pretty much starting to come to an end now in the developed nations. Mafias and Yakuzas alike are falling to bits and I say good riddance to that, the world is better off without them.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;49900548]i'm a little confused. if the yakuza is losing relevancy and are fractured beyond recognition at this point, what does a war actually accomplish? what's the goal? is it just an act of desperation? i can't see this making the yakuza any stronger or make any more kids want to join and become members. maybe for what's left of the individual groups, but that seems like a short term solution.[/QUOTE] non-leader members of organized crime generally aren't very good in the intelligence or foresight department with all the leaders being arrested everyone else wants a piece of the pie

This is really bad. Lot of people don't realize that all this means is that operations will become more localized and more difficult to deal with. These kind of things are like panes of glass, sometimes it breaks and you can still put it in some organized order... And with cases where factions are splitting up left and right, well all it means is that notion of order went out the bloody window. It has already been occurring within the blackmarkets for firearms and drugs, with almost all operations going into the city and becoming mini-sized. IIRC, it's actually been so effective for the cocaine industry that it has increased the production rates, not decreased. You simply cannot stop every microwave cook operation, every backyard gunsmith, or stop people from always having methods of laundering money.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49901173]This is really bad. Lot of people don't realize that all this means is that operations will become more localized and more difficult to deal with. These kind of things are like panes of glass, sometimes it breaks and you can still put it in some organized order... And with cases where factions are splitting up left and right, well all it means is that notion of order went out the bloody window. It has already been occurring within the blackmarkets for firearms and drugs, with almost all operations going into the city and becoming mini-sized. IIRC, it's actually been so effective for the cocaine industry that it has increased the production rates, not decreased. You simply cannot stop every microwave cook operation, every backyard gunsmith, or stop people from always having methods of laundering money.[/QUOTE] As if you could if they were organized?

[QUOTE=Passing;49900621]Ah, So they cut off the head of the snake and let the body bleed. Very smart. Japan.[/QUOTE] The problem is now that someone else is trying to become the head and civilians get caught in the crossfires.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49900670]This has been happening to an increasing extent worldwide - organized crime is pretty much starting to come to an end now in the developed nations. Mafias and Yakuzas alike are falling to bits and I say good riddance to that, the world is better off without them.[/QUOTE] Organized crime still exists; it's just hiding in plain sight now haha.

[QUOTE=Tark;49902095]Organized crime still exists; it's just hiding in plain sight now haha.[/QUOTE] Yeah, we now call it "Government".

[QUOTE=Talishmar;49901555]As if you could if they were organized?[/QUOTE] One tends to be less violent. That's usually when all groups are under one banner and need to keep their reputation in good order to ensure that shit doesn't break down.

I think I remember reading that the Yakuza was dying because they're failing to attract any new blood, so much so they put out ads.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49905353]One tends to be less violent. That's usually when all groups are under one banner and need to keep their reputation in good order to ensure that shit doesn't break down.[/QUOTE] that's a pretty defeatist angle to look at it from 'it's okay for these huge groups to commit massive crimes because otherwise there'd be small groups committing crimes' Less power for criminals is a good thing, if your mafias etc. get powerful enough they can start heavily swaying your government and then you're in way worse trouble. The only reason a large scale crime organisation will avoid violence is if it's in their best interests, the second a massive crime faction realises they can stand to make a big gain by fucking shit up is the second they'll do so. Not to mention a lot of the REALLY bad crimes are a lot harder with small teams, sure, drug dealing and theft might rise, but small gangs can't do shit like threaten people, demand protection money and exploit people. It's a lot easier to go to the cops and say 'I'm being threatened' when the guy threatening you is in a gang of 20 guys, versus a country-wide operation.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49900670]This has been happening to an increasing extent worldwide - organized crime is pretty much starting to come to an end now in the developed nations. Mafias and Yakuzas alike are falling to bits and I say good riddance to that, the world is better off without them.[/QUOTE] This is a bit funny statement because it's so naive.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49905509]This is a bit funny statement because it's so naive.[/QUOTE] How do you mean? The mafia are practically on their last legs now, even in Italy. Organised crime (the old kind most people think of) is dying out and being replaced with smaller and temporary groups that only really team up for a single job or two before disbanding. They're nowhere near the scale of organised crime back in the day.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49906263]How do you mean? The mafia are practically on their last legs now, even in Italy. Organised crime (the old kind most people think of) is dying out and being replaced with smaller and temporary groups that only really team up for a single job or two before disbanding. They're nowhere near the scale of organised crime back in the day.[/QUOTE] What do you think mafia does nowadays? Organised crime have always existed, exists now and always will exist. The fact that the "old top players" are dying out does not show that the newer runners are not out there. The best criminals are those who go unnoticed.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49906445]What do you think mafia does nowadays? Organised crime have always existed, exists now and always will exist. The fact that the "old top players" are dying out does not show that the newer runners are not out there. The best criminals are those who go unnoticed.[/QUOTE] Organised crime will continue on but the old secret society type of criminal organisations are in decline.

I actually sat next to a Yakuza member on the train once. (being the unaware westerner that I am, I saw a row of empty white seats next to a guy in a white suit and didn't think anything of it) Once I started to notice the signs, it became pretty clear. He had some neck tattoos peaking out from under his collar, some fancy shoes, a large silver cross necklace and a white suit. The thing that was most interesting to me is that he had very little substance to him. I had maybe about 45lbs on this guy, and about 4 inches in height on him. For reference, I'm 5'11 and about 165lbs, which is aggressively average in the United States, if on the lighter side of the spectrum..

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49900670]This has been happening to an increasing extent worldwide - organized crime is pretty much starting to come to an end now in the developed nations. Mafias and Yakuzas alike are falling to bits and I say good riddance to that, the world is better off without them.[/QUOTE] I'm glad organized crime is coming to an end in Mexico. Or is it not a developed nation? Or are we just pushing organized crime into other regions? We're still dealing with their consequences.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49906445]What do you think mafia does nowadays? Organised crime have always existed, exists now and always will exist.[/QUOTE] there have been many points in time where organised crime hasn't existed (unless you are an anarchist in which case the past few thousand years count). [quote]The fact that the "old top players" are dying out does not show that the newer runners are not out there. The best criminals are those who go unnoticed.[/quote] except the point is that the new "unnoticed" generation of top criminals aren't the kind to create and sustain large scale organisations what we're seeing right now is a shift away from large criminal organisations towards smaller and temporary entities that do not really do the same things as their predecessors did. the reason is simply due to the fact that there's pretty much no benefit for criminals to be in such organisations anymore. [editline]10th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=dark-vivec;49906653]I'm glad organized crime is coming to an end in Mexico. Or is it not a developed nation? Or are we just pushing organized crime into other regions? We're still dealing with their consequences.[/QUOTE] the drug wars are starting to come to an end in mexico, it isn't as wild as it was about ten or so years ago. many of the cartels have ended up wiping themselves out and murder rates along with other violence is generally coming down now. the rest of the country is also undergoing steady economic development along with legal reform and social change that is slowly undermining the cartels as well