Scientist's Avatars. (Oh "gawdh" not Avatars again!)
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[URL="http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-02/nasas-project-m-puts-scientists-avatars-moon"][tab]NASA can put humanoids on the Moon in just 1000 days. They would be controlled by scientists on Earth using motion capture suits, giving them the feeling of being on the lunar surface. I'd pay to use one.[/tab]Back in the Lunar exploration days, scientists had to tell astronauts what to do up there,
and how to identify interesting things during the limited time they had. For Apollo 15, the
first mission that carried the Lunar Rover, astronauts were trained in field work by Caltech
geologist Leon Silver.
That helped them to move faster and look at the ground with a critical science eye,
knowing what they were looking for. The result: Their findings and samples were a lot
more valuable to scientist back on Earth, confirming theories that weren't confirmed till
then.
Now imagine these NASA C-3POs roaming our satellite, controlled by all kind of scientists
using telepresence suits down here, all looking for interesting things using high definition
visors, and able to move just like they would move on planet Earth. It won't work for Mars,
but with a communication delay of only three seconds, it will work beautifully on the Moon.
The 1000-day mark is quite plausible, since the mission would be a lot simpler than a
human-based one. It will also be quite cheaper than the real thing. First, you don't have to
care about life support systems, which will make spacecraft manufacturing a lot less
complex. The whole system would also weight a lot less, reducing the need for the
development of a huge rocket, and again reducing the costs.
What about the human factor I'm always defending? Well, we know that, sadly, we're not
going to get astronauts anywhere any time soon, so this is definitely the best alternative. It
won't be as inspiring as humans going back to the Moon or establishing a semi-permanent
colony, but it could have an extremely positive effect on science.
Whoever did this at NASA should put together an actual budget as soon as possible. And
while you are at it, make it possible for regular people to use one, maybe at the Johnson
Space Center or some selected museums through the world. That will definitely inspire
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Yeah, you heard me.
It's almost as stupid as the whole OP being a link.
This doesn't have anything to do with avatar, else than the controlling something else part. :colbert:
it's more like surrogates than avatar.
In the way that it's a robot and not a living person.
That's completely impractical. The lag time for communication would make movement impossible.
It'd be like playing the hardest platformer in the world with a twenty minute delay to your actions.
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Oh, the moon, well that's great.
I'd spend billions of dollars so that we can put clunky, unresponsive C3PO robots on the moon that do nothing.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20490332]That's completely impractical. The lag time for communication would make movement impossible.
It'd be like playing the hardest platformer in the world with a twenty minute delay to your actions.
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Oh, the moon, well that's great.
I'd spend billions of dollars so that we can put clunky, unresponsive C3PO robots on the moon that do nothing.[/QUOTE]
Gotta start somewhere.
[QUOTE=Tigster;20490425]Gotta start somewhere.[/QUOTE]
Uh, why.
Wouldn't it be far more practical to invest in ways to actually get US there rather than waste billions of dollars and man hours on a shitty gimmick that won't work even if we pull it off?
what about if we control it from a manned satellite?
[QUOTE=Luke510;20490482]what about if we control it from a manned satellite?[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah that's a great idea
instead of spending money on just sending us to these planets we'll spend money on developing the robots, the suits, the software, and then fucking satelites which we will send astronauts into and then launch into orbit around these distant plaents, along iwth other rockets which we will launch onto those planets
we will then have the astronauts stay on board the satelites and, instead of having them just go down themselves now that they are already at the planet, we will have them get into costly and impractical suits which will be used to maneuver clunky, failure prone, expensive robots that have now exited the second rocket that hit the planet
Do you understand how stupid this idea is or should I go on?
Nice job comparing it to avatar and then complaining about it being compared to avatar.
In regards to the story, one word. Future.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20490332]That's completely impractical. The lag time for communication would make movement impossible.
It'd be like playing the hardest platformer in the world with a twenty minute delay to your actions.
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Oh, the moon, well that's great.
I'd spend billions of dollars so that we can put clunky, unresponsive C3PO robots on the moon that do nothing.[/QUOTE]
Well C 3P0s arms were held together. Hopefully we get free motion
These robots would be awesome. No more human factor means quicker trips. One step closer to the human advancement of technology to our doom.
In now way should this somehow relate to avatar.
This is also the biggest fuck up ever by NASA, ever.
Instead of perfecting a rover or some other unmanned vehicle, which could do the exact same job more efficiently and would obviously cost less, they go on and decide to make a robot shaped like a human with obvious balancing flaws and many other problems.
Whoever at NASA thought this should go back to Japan and work on Asimo for Honda, he/she could be put to much better use there.
Nice connection I see how it fits
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The avatar thing gives it that extra perspective if you know what I mean
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20490332]That's completely impractical. The lag time for communication would make movement impossible.
It'd be like playing the hardest platformer in the world with a twenty minute delay to your actions.
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Oh, the moon, well that's great.
I'd spend billions of dollars so that we can put clunky, unresponsive C3PO robots on the moon that do nothing.[/QUOTE]
They're collecting rock and soil samples, not playing basketball. A three second delay really won't make much difference.
this really isnt so different from the drones they use now
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20490478]Uh, why.
Wouldn't it be far more practical to invest in ways to actually get US there rather than waste billions of dollars and man hours on a shitty gimmick that won't work even if we pull it off?[/QUOTE]
...theres a delay of a few seconds, all they have to do is do the actions slowly and were done.
Or we could orbit near the moon and do it that way.
Or use the ISS.
Actually a pretty good idea I think, although, as the above person pointed out, it isn't an entirely new concept.
Still a step in the right direction, though.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20490332]That's completely impractical. The lag time for communication would make movement impossible.
It'd be like playing the hardest platformer in the world with a twenty minute delay to your actions.
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Oh, the moon, well that's great.
I'd spend billions of dollars so that we can put clunky, unresponsive C3PO robots on the moon that do nothing.[/QUOTE]
Actually it takes light about a 1.25 seconds to go from one body to the other.
Herp derp lets appeal to masses to get more money.
For those bitching, yes it is an avatar.
Avatar = Character controlled by another.
This can be related from anything to your MMORPG to a robot.
Woah now i can touch rock with my avatar robot!
This is a pretty cool idea. It could also be used for interstellar travel: Scientists have discovered how to teleport energy. If we can't teleport matter, we could send the Avataras in a subluminal craft and control them from Earth with superluminal communications.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;20496196]This is a pretty cool idea. It could also be used for interstellar travel: Scientists have discovered how to teleport energy. If we can't teleport matter, we could send the Avataras in a subluminal craft and control them from Earth with superluminal communications.[/QUOTE]
Would need a way to have faster than light communication.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20490332]That's completely impractical. The lag time for communication would make movement impossible.
It'd be like playing the hardest platformer in the world with a twenty minute delay to your actions.
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Oh, the moon, well that's great.
I'd spend billions of dollars so that we can put clunky, unresponsive C3PO robots on the moon that do nothing.[/QUOTE]
Not with laser communicators.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;20496372]Would need a way to have faster than light communication.[/QUOTE]
Quantum entanglement communication.
[url]http://everything2.com/title/Quantum+entanglement+and+faster+than+light+communication[/url]
Wait, what if I fall in love with an alien woman? We would never be together because it would just be my remote-controlled body :frown:
[QUOTE=Doctor_Communism;20496578]Not with laser communicators.[/QUOTE]
You dont know shit about science, I suggest you leave before you make yourself look even more dumb. There is a huge delay with communications from Earth to the Moon, and thats at light speed.
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Good old 30 second or more lag, and thats at the speed of light. Have fun with that lag.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;20496640]You dont know shit about science, I suggest you leave before you make yourself loom even more dumb. There is a huge delay with communications from Earth to the Moon, and thats at light speed.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMINSD7MmT4[/media]
Good old 30 second or more lag, and thats at the speed of light. Have fun with that lag.[/QUOTE]
Uh, the moon is 375,000 kiometers away. That's 1.25 light seconds.
EDIT: Correction: It has to go there and back, so it's 2.50 seconds.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;20496665]Uh, the moon is 375,000 kiometers away. That's 1.25 light seconds.[/QUOTE]
Good old lag broski. Now try these "avatar" robots on Mars. Have fun with the lag
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;20496746]Good old lag broski. Now try these "avatar" robots on Mars. Have fun with the lag[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's a bit more complicated. 40 minutes lag.
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