Parti Québécois party set to call Quebec election. - Polidicks

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/pro-independence-party-set-to-call-quebec-election/2014/03/04/0cb6041c-a402-11e3-b865-38b254d92063_story.html[/url] [url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/premier-pauline-marois-to-trigger-quebec-election-today-1.2559819[/url] [QUOTE]MONTREAL — Quebec’s premier is set to call an election Wednesday in pursuit of a majority of seats for her pro-independence party, potentially putting the French-speaking province on track for another referendum to separate from Canada. Premier Pauline Marois’ Parti Quebecois holds a minority of seats in the Quebec legislature, and polls suggest the party could make gains in key districts in a vote set for April 7. The leader of the opposition Liberals, Philippe Couillard, has struggled to connect with voters, and the PQ is hoping to steal away votes from the slumping third-place party, the Coalition for Quebec’s Future. The Parti Quebecois has held power since September 2012, when it beat out the Liberals and longtime premier Jean Charest, a staunch defender of Canadian unity. It has been nearly two decades since Quebec held a referendum on sovereignty. The province has held two such votes to split from Canada, most recently in 1995, when it narrowly rejected independence. If the Parti Quebecois does succeed in getting a majority, there’s no guarantee it will hold another referendum any time soon. Christian Bourque, vice president with the Montreal-based polling firm Leger Marketing, said support for Quebec independence remains stuck at around 40 percent and hasn’t changed significantly in 10 years. “It doesn’t really move across time, so there’s no real momentum behind sovereignty,” he said.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't their party decimated in the last elections or was that just on a federal level? Either way they are idiots Quebec should not separate and can't feasibly anyway.

[QUOTE=Aman;44136124]Wasn't their party decimated in the last elections or was that just on a federal level? Either way they are idiots Quebec should not separate and can't feasibly anyway.[/QUOTE] How can't it? I'm rather ignorant of my northern neighbor's internal affairs.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44136159]How can't it? I'm rather ignorant of my northern neighbor's internal affairs.[/QUOTE] I imagine it would be like a state splitting from the US, there isn't a good reason to monetarily and they can't support themselves with just what they make in their region.

[QUOTE=Chronische;44136186]I imagine it would be like a state splitting from the US, there isn't a good reason to monetarily and they can't support themselves with just what they make in their region.[/QUOTE] It doesn't help that Quebec is one of the taking provinces.

Their separation plan is to become their own country but continue to use the canadian dollar. Essentially just to rip off the rest of Canada but with more racism [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman;44136124]Wasn't their party decimated in the last elections or was that just on a federal level? Either way they are idiots Quebec should not separate and can't feasibly anyway.[/QUOTE] Yes, jack Layton went in there and was like: "hey I'll talk to Quebec" and they all voted for him because he has a chance

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44136159]How can't it? I'm rather ignorant of my northern neighbor's internal affairs.[/QUOTE] If I remember correctly after the referendum in the 90's the Prime Minister changed the terms for separation to something incredibly vague. I believe it goes "The vote must be a clear majority" or along those lines, but does not expand on what that majority is. It was added because the referendum was within two percent of passing and there are allegations of Liberal misdirection, such as a vague and "easily" misunderstood question. Many argue the clarification was added purposefully to prevent Quebec independence by leaving it to outside observers to decide what the clear majority is. Personally I think it's horseshit trumped up by the Parti to help monger their Anglo-hatred but w/ever. There may be another reason, or I may have gotten this wrong (It's been a long time since eleventh grade Social Studies) but that's what I remember You could just Wiki it if you really care I guess

Hey, I'd want to separate from Harper

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44136159]How can't it? I'm rather ignorant of my northern neighbor's internal affairs.[/QUOTE] Imagine the Scottish independence debate,now replace Scotland with Quebec and the UK with Canada. Except Quebec is full of gits.

[QUOTE=person11;44136696]Hey, I'd want to separate from Harper[/QUOTE] I'm not even remotely Conservative and I don't think Harper is that bad.

A few years ago I would have said separation is stupid but with some 8 years of that shithead being the head of the government and the primary representative of Canada I can't blame one of the most left wing provinces for wanting to get away from the stagnated conservative voting blocs in Alberta and western Ontario. Harper literally has not touched base at all with the francophones and until quebec gets better representation they are going to keep trying to leave, who can blame them honestly. [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;44136360]Their separation plan is to become their own country but continue to use the canadian dollar. Essentially just to rip off the rest of Canada but with more racism [/QUOTE] To reiterate a discussion that was had months ago, you (IE: 20 year old FP members) are not old enough to understand the complex issues that surround quebecois culture. Until quite recently the Quebecois were blatantly disenfranchised within their own province, there are deep scars in the French-Canadian psyche and frankly these "lol fuck the Quebecois" attitudes aren't going to help anything. If you have a problem with the parti quebocois, instead of reinforcing their attitudes why don't you prove them wrong by [B]not[/B] being a massive dick to french Canadians. [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Cakebatyr;44137018]Except Quebec is full of gits.[/QUOTE] Case and point...

quebec: hey guys we're gonna seperate but still use your currency and we want alberta to still give us money!!!

[QUOTE=Aman;44136124]Wasn't their party decimated in the last elections or was that just on a federal level? Either way they are idiots Quebec should not separate and can't feasibly anyway.[/QUOTE] Though the Bloc Quebecois and Parti Quebecois are similar, they aren't affiliated. The Bloc got destroyed in the federal election, losing all but 3 seats - none of which were the leader's seat.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;44137654]A few years ago I would have said separation is stupid but with some 8 years of that shithead being the head of the government and the primary representative of Canada I can't blame one of the most left wing provinces for wanting to get away from the stagnated conservative voting blocs in Alberta and western Ontario. Harper literally has not touched base at all with the francophones and until quebec gets better representation they are going to keep trying to leave, who can blame them honestly. [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] To reiterate a discussion that was had months ago, you (IE: 20 year old FP members) are not old enough to understand the complex issues that surround quebecois culture. Until quite recently the Quebecois were blatantly disenfranchised within their own province, there are deep scars in the French-Canadian psyche and frankly these "lol fuck the Quebecois" attitudes aren't going to help anything. If you have a problem with the parti quebocois, instead of reinforcing their attitudes why don't you prove them wrong by [B]not[/B] being a massive dick to french Canadians. [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] Case and point...[/QUOTE] Maybe if their most recent proposition wasnt to ban all religious symbols but the cross we wouldnt think they were racist wait

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;44138656]Maybe if their most recent proposition wasnt to ban all religious symbols but the cross we wouldnt think they were racist wait[/QUOTE] Yes, absolutely all Quebecois support that legislature. Quebec has always been out in the open about it's problems. Corruption and idiocy within Quebecois government systems is always plainly visible to the naked eye. You are severely misguided if you don't see the absolutely insidious racism that exists everywhere else in Canada. At least in Quebec it makes itself plainly visible so it can be squashed by sane people, the same can't necessarily be said for the casual social racism elsewhere.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;44136360]Their separation plan is to become their own country but continue to use the canadian dollar. Essentially just to rip off the rest of Canada but with more racism [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] Yes, jack Layton went in there and was like: "hey I'll talk to Quebec" and they all voted for him because he has a chance[/QUOTE] They voted NDP because Jack was born in Montreal. Other than the Bloc, who they were getting pissed at, he was the only leader born in Quebec. It didn't help the Liberals that they essentially ran an American last election. I think Quebec is the only place I will ever support seeing the Liberal Party get elected, because they're not idiot separatists. With this whole Language/Religion Charter going on, I foresee a Liberal minority in Quebec. [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DaysBefore;44136419]If I remember correctly after the referendum in the 90's the Prime Minister changed the terms for separation to something incredibly vague. I believe it goes "The vote must be a clear majority" or along those lines, but does not expand on what that majority is. It was added because the referendum was within two percent of passing and there are allegations of Liberal misdirection, such as a vague and "easily" misunderstood question. Many argue the clarification was added purposefully to prevent Quebec independence by leaving it to outside observers to decide what the clear majority is. Personally I think it's horseshit trumped up by the Parti to help monger their Anglo-hatred but w/ever. There may be another reason, or I may have gotten this wrong (It's been a long time since eleventh grade Social Studies) but that's what I remember You could just Wiki it if you really care I guess[/QUOTE] The referendum was still 51% no 49% yes for separation, so the yes vote still lost. I remember seeing a video in politics class about that, the leader of the separatist party blamed the rich (I said Jews earlier then found the video, I was wrong) and immigrants (not even joking) for the loss. He then said something to the effect of "We will not wait another 15 years to have another vote!" which was a reference to how long it had been since the last time Quebec had seriously almost separated. Well it's been 19 years, so he's technically right, it wasn't another 16, it has been longer and another vote still hasn't happened. Video: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0-4gVCKTb0[/media] The video has some questions afterwards, and accuses the separatist movement of racism, but it's the only video I can find with the speech in it. Found another one, with someone translating the speech: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztd8DRhvZP8[/media]

Why is it that every time anglophones talk about Quebec elections it's always about separation? There's much more to it you know. Liberals are corrupted up the ass and you'd vote for them before anyone else just because you're scared of Parti Quebecois winning in majority? What are you so scared about? It's not like the Parti Quebecois will start a referendum in the next 4 years, and even if they did it, Yes would never win. I'm saying that and I'm not even sure I'll vote for PQ this time, they fucked up too much. I just don't want Liberals to win.

Anglophones just have the biggest hatred against Francophone. A referendum will never pass so there's no reasons to be scared of it in any ways. The CAQ is a Joke, the liberals are the Liberals, and the PQ is bad. Just vote the lesser dumbfucks and hope for the not so horrible.

You also have to understand that the Parti Quebecois aren't real separatist in the sense that they play with the concept to get elected, but won't ever do it. I'm a separatist and I wouldn't vote for the PQ at all, there's better, much more critical thinking and much more intelligent parties out there. The problem lies in the whole PLQ vs PQ thing. Those parties need to dissapear.

So essentially, voting for a minor party that never had a single chance of winning? Same as not voting. :v:

How much of the Quebec population want to separate?

Liberals fucked up with Charest, PQ fucked up with Pauline, what the fuck left is there to vote ? François Legault with his trainwreck of a party ? I'm sick of our dumb governement doing its best every nano seconds of its life to make all of us look like whining, bitching, racist jerks, especialy with the chart and what not.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44139141]How much of the Quebec population want to separate?[/QUOTE] You can't tell unless its iminant. There'll be so much debates and propaganda that people will change their mind from left to right and vice versa.

[QUOTE=CrashLemon;44139160]You can't tell unless its iminant. There'll be so much debates and propaganda that people will change their mind from left to right and vice versa.[/QUOTE] I guess the second best question to ask then is, how much support do separatist parties in the region get compared to other parties? The thought of a fourth country in North America is kind of intriguing.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44139190]I guess the second best question to ask then is, how much support do separatist parties in the region get compared to other parties? The thought of a fourth country in North America is kind of intriguing.[/QUOTE] I'm more intrigued about what Nova Scottia, New Brunswick and the other eastern provinces are going to think of this if such a thing happened (it won't). Them being detached from the rest of Canada would be weird and not really convenient. But obviously, it's only hypothetical thinking, because I don't see a separation happening.

[QUOTE=WolvesSoulZ;44139073]Anglophones just have the biggest hatred against Francophone.[/quote] We do?? That's news to me! [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44139190] thought of a fourth country in North America is kind of intriguing.[/QUOTE] Central America called they said you're dumb

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44139673]We do?? That's news to me! Central America called they said you're dumb[/QUOTE] you're serious ? every fucking thread I recall you're there nay-saying Québec. every. thread.

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;44139720]you're serious ? every fucking thread I recall you're there nay-saying Québec. every. thread.[/QUOTE] ??? [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] If you could present a single post in which I "nay-say" (Insult??) Quebec I'd agree with you [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] Just one

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44139740]??? [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] If you could present a single post in which I "nay-say" (Insult??) Quebec I'd agree with you [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] Just one[/QUOTE] i totally thought you were dacommie, another canadian which do the things I accused you of. tots sorry about that..

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44139141]How much of the Quebec population want to separate?[/QUOTE] The last referendum was in 1995 and there were only 60 thousand more no votes over yes votes, which is about half a percent more.