40 dead in battle for control of Donetsk Airport - Polidicks

[quote]Donetsk, Ukraine (CNN) -- A battle between pro-Russia separatists and government forces at Donetsk airport in eastern Ukraine has claimed 40 lives, authorities said Tuesday, in what is the deadliest outbreak of violence yet in the flashpoint city. An additional 31 people have been injured, including four civilians, according to the website of the Donetsk mayor, Alexander Lukyanchenko. Two of the fatalities are civilians. The conflict at Donetsk International Airport broke out only hours after newly elected Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said he'd potentially like to negotiate a way out of the crisis. After Ukrainian forces moved in against the militants Monday, the deadly assault continued overnight. The airport remained closed Tuesday despite the halt in the gunfire, as conflicting accounts emerged of who was in control and how many had lost their lives. The Donetsk mayor's website didn't specify how many of the 40 killed in the airport standoff were separatists. But a spokeswoman for the separatist self-declared "Donetsk People's Republic" told CNN that 35 separatists had been killed and about 60 injured in Monday's fighting. ... A senior Ukrainian official told CNN's Jim Sciutto in Kiev that it is "now or never" in the fight against militants in the East. "We have been patient for far too long," he said, indicating that with the election over, the new government believes it has a mandate to put the insurgency to rest. U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoff Pyatt told CNN that the crisis is now entering its "most kinetic phase." At the same time, Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday urged an immediate halt to the operation against separatist militants in Ukraine's south and east, the Kremlin said.[/quote] [url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/27/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=wo_c1]CNN[/url]

They went to a military occupied international airport and told the Ukrainian army to leave, what were they thinking would happen. Still shit got real when Ukraine brought in air support. Hope this sends the message to the thugs to leave the gun at home [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] Guess Russia steps in next to protect the "innocent" civilians

[quote]At the same time, Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday urged an immediate halt to the operation against separatist militants in Ukraine's south and east[/quote] hah

[QUOTE=Sableye;44922893]They went to a military occupied international airport and told the Ukrainian army to leave, what were they thinking would happen. Still shit got real when Ukraine brought in air support. Hope this sends the message to the thugs to leave the gun at home [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] Guess Russia steps in next to protect the "innocent" civilians[/QUOTE] They brought in para's as well.

Now I'm just hoping no one (besides Russia) will begin to sympathize with the separatists. They have known from the very beginning what would happen if they separated themselves from the rest of Ukraine. They're simply reaping as they have sown.

If they love Russia so much then get the fuck out of Ukraine.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;44923226]Now I'm just hoping no one (besides Russia) will begin to sympathize with the separatists. They have known from the very beginning what would happen if they separated themselves from the rest of Ukraine. They're simply reaping as they have sown.[/QUOTE] Cool blaming the victim bro [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=proch;44923425]If they love Russia so much then get the fuck out of Ukraine.[/QUOTE] No?

[QUOTE=Sableye;44922893] Guess Russia steps in next to protect the "innocent" civilians[/QUOTE] Presuming this isn't Russians already.

[QUOTE=Conscript;44923713]Cool blaming the victim bro[/QUOTE] Victim of [I]what[/I]?

[QUOTE=proch;44923425]If they love Russia so much then get the fuck out of Ukraine.[/QUOTE] While nothing is legitimate about this "revolution", this notion was always retarded. You can't tell somebody to fuck off just because they disagree with the current government of their territory. The government exists for the people, not the land. [B]If[/B] the populace wished for sovereignty (or to join another body), they should have the right to do that. Again, it's very likely not the case, but in general "if you don't like who's governing over you, fuck off" is a dangerously retarded thought.

[QUOTE=proch;44923425]If they love Russia so much then get the fuck out of Ukraine.[/QUOTE] Why should they leave their home country because of some shitty government that got to power they don't like?

I guess Ukraine is done fucking about now that they have a legitimate government again.

[QUOTE=Azaz3l;44923772]Why should they bother leaving their home country because of some shitty government they don't like?[/QUOTE] Chances are it's not their home country; they're Russians that moved to Ukraine back when Russia and Ukraine was the same thing 25 years ago, then got stuck living in Ukraine despite being Russians once the union crumbled. It's not as simple as people make it out to be.

[QUOTE=Riller;44923752]Victim of [I]what[/I]?[/QUOTE] ...a coup that deposed their government and resulting military action by the new people who command the state against those opposed to it? You can pretty much thank Kiev's handling of the situation for Donetsk being independent in the first place. Like are you that dense lmao

[QUOTE=Conscript;44923713]Cool blaming the victim bro[/QUOTE] Separatists as the victims? They don't want peace, they said it before. They destroyed all the polling stations within their area of control, so citizens living there didn't get to vote in the presidential election. Then there's the fact that the New Russia Party has said they want to dismantle the Government in Kiev by force.

[QUOTE=Conscript;44923713]Cool blaming the victim bro [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] No?[/QUOTE] Victim blaming is more something like blaming a rape victim for wearing provocative clothing and that they were 'Asking for it,' by wearing it. Which you will note is very different from an armed insurgency taking hold of a major airport in a country they're actively waging war on, declining all attempts to resolve it peacefully, and then getting shot in the face for it. But we should probably just ignore this idiot before it gets derailed.

[QUOTE=Azaz3l;44923772]Why should they leave their home country because of some shitty government that got to power they don't like?[/QUOTE] Yeah so take up arms and try to claim independence by force!

[QUOTE=Conscript;44923789]...a coup that deposed their government and resulting military action by the new people who command the state against those opposed to it? You can pretty much thank Kiev's handling of the situation for Donetsk being independent in the first place. Like are you that dense lmao[/QUOTE] Except it was a revolution and they've had a free election since then where the eastern citizens [I]could[/I] have partaken and had their actual voice and opinion heard, if they didn't go pants-on-head and decided to play pretend-nation on Ukrainian soil.

[QUOTE=Maegord;44923795]Victim blaming is more something like blaming a rape victim for wearing provocative clothing and that they were 'Asking for it,' by wearing it. Which you will note is very different from an armed insurgency taking hold of a major airport in a country they're actively waging war on, declining all attempts to resolve it peacefully, and then getting shot in the face for it. But we should probably just ignore this idiot before it gets derailed.[/QUOTE] LOL I love your narrative. Yes it's just an insurgency that exists in a bubble, they're nothing more than aggression incarnate.

[QUOTE=Conscript;44923789]...a coup that deposed their government and resulting military action by the new people who command the state against those opposed to it? You can pretty much thank Kiev's handling of the situation for Donetsk being independent in the first place. Like are you that dense lmao[/QUOTE] There was no military action until recently. Russia fucking invaded Crimea and there wasn't any military action. Only recently did they start seriously trying to push the separatists.

[QUOTE=proch;44923425]If they love Russia so much then get the fuck out of Ukraine.[/QUOTE] they were trying to, that's why they were in the airport, duh

[QUOTE=Riller;44923809]Except it was a revolution and they've had a free election since then where the eastern citizens [I]could[/I] have partaken and had their actual voice and opinion heard, if they didn't go pants-on-head and decided to play pretend-nation on Ukrainian soil.[/QUOTE] Welp, he called it a revolution. Guess I should go home. Haha yea right. The east gets to vote in 'free' elections after the west gets their little dictatorship for a few months that accomplishes what they want. Yea, fuck your democracy, the east doesn't need someone telling it how it can speak for itself. also, lol'd at 'pretend nation'. Thanks for showing your anti-russian chauvinist colors.

I was reading about this yesterday and wondered why there was barely any media buzz around it. They have strange priorities sometimes.

[QUOTE=Conscript;44923874]Welp, he called it a revolution. Guess I should go home. Haha yea right. The east gets to vote in 'free' elections after the west gets their little dictatorship for a few months that accomplishes what they want. Yea, fuck your democracy, the east doesn't need someone telling it how it can speak for itself. also, lol'd at 'pretend nation'. Thanks for showing your anti-russian chauvinist colors.[/QUOTE] How is mass popular protest and rioting putting political pressure causing the former government to dissolve a coup d'etat, yet rising a Donetsk flag over a city hall that you take with masked gunmen is a totally legit way of doing shit?

[QUOTE=Riller;44923937]How is mass popular protest and rioting putting political pressure causing the former government to dissolve a coup d'etat, yet rising a Donetsk flag over a city hall that you take with masked gunmen is a totally legit way of doing shit?[/QUOTE] Because western backed opposition don't get to unconstitutionally depose an elected leader because he dumped the EU, especially after he negotiates with them and signs an agreement on February 21st? Those masked men usually have hundreds if not thousands of people outside those buildings cheering them on. You don't actually think they're holding the east hostage or something?

So it's okay because Russia isn't the big bad West.

The west is the greater imperialist, and it shows, they had much to do with the Ukraine's situation happening in the first place. Russia was quiet during Maidan, and when the West carried out its coup with the aid of Ukrainian nationalism, Putin seized the most (pro-)Russian territory that was even until fairly recently part of Russia, and sent a message: Russia won't stand by idly by and let the EU/NATO and their West Ukrainian allies bully their way into owning East Ukraine, which has many ties to Russia. I think it's just funny since his move was so blunt it sent Westerners into a stupor. This can't happen in the 21st century, but enacting regime change with billions of dollars and fascists on the ground can.

The West isn't controlling Ukraine, it hasn't annexed any part of Ukraine, it refuses to even consider sending troops to Ukraine even in it's defense let alone to invade it themselves. Russia did it without a second thought, and now Crimea is "Russian". Also, you're using that buzzword again, "fascists". You say you don't follow the Russian's view, but they [I]love[/I] that word. It's like calling someone a Socialist in America, instantly discredits them. [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] That aside, I still fail to see how Russian Nationalism itself isn't at least a bit fascist.

[QUOTE=Conscript;44924096]The west is the greater imperialist[/QUOTE] im·pe·ri·al·ism the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or [B]of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies[/B]. Yeah, I need to see your sources on the Western backed "coup". From what I am aware of, the West only gave a smile and nod about overthrowing a corrupt asshole that used a peace of solid bread as a paperweight. Besides that, the West hasn't done jack shit. On the other hand, Putin literally ANNEXED part of Ukraine. Please tell me how we are the bigger imperialist.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44924139]The West isn't controlling Ukraine, it hasn't annexed any part of Ukraine, it refuses to even consider sending troops to Ukraine even in it's defense let alone to invade it themselves. Russia did it without a second thought, and now Crimea is "Russian". Also, you're using that buzzword again, "fascists". You say you don't follow the Russian's view, but they [I]love[/I] that word. It's like calling someone a Socialist in America, instantly discredits them. Also, Russian nationalism is something oligarchs tap in to every one in a while to gain the votes of a demoralized nation. In Ukraine, it defines you as a Ukrainian, and is the hallmark of the post-soviet Ukrainian state. [editline]27th May 2014[/editline] That aside, I still fail to see how Russian Nationalism itself isn't at least a bit fascist.[/QUOTE] In other words, neo-liberal imperialism isn't as blunt as military action. I love how wound up you people are over Crimea. [quote]Yeah, I need to see your sources on the Western backed "coup".[/quote] I'm sorry, a smile and nod? It just sounds like you really don't know much. Read [url=http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/02/crimea-crisis-russia-ukraine-cold-war?CMP=fb_gu]this[/url], [url=http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/02/24/the-brown-revolution-in-ukraine/]this[/url], or [url=http://www.salon.com/2014/05/07/samantha_powers_brazen_hypocrisy_media_swallows_propaganda_but_heres_the_truth_about_ukraine/]this[/url].