Kid from my school with Autism receives 2 day suspension - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Northport High School freshman Christian Ranieri is seen in the video trying to deliver a speech Monday night to the Northport-East Northport Board of Education. In the speech, which took him three hours to write, Ranieri talks about his struggles with autism and tries explaining to the board that he felt he was wrongfully disciplined and suspended from school because of his disability.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/10/video-of-l-i-autistic-teen-being-silenced-during-school-board-meeting-goes-viral/"]http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/10/video-of-l-i-autistic-teen-being-silenced-during-school-board-meeting-goes-viral/[/URL] Beyond fucked up, my school is known for there awful administration. I see this kid everyday, and for the most part he minds his own business and plays his DS in the lunch room with his other friends.

How Ignorant, as someone who suffers from Aspergers this is fucked up on so many levels.

My heart goes out to these people. That administration needs a suspension.

[QUOTE=TronCat;42486833][URL="http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/10/video-of-l-i-autistic-teen-being-silenced-during-school-board-meeting-goes-viral/"]http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/10/video-of-l-i-autistic-teen-being-silenced-during-school-board-meeting-goes-viral/[/URL] Beyond fucked up, my school is known for there awful administration. I see this kid everyday, and for the most part he minds his own business and plays his DS in the lunch room with his other friends.[/QUOTE] What was he suspended for, it doesn't say in the article.

Being autistic doesn't make you exempt from punishment. What did he do (or allegedly do) to be suspended?

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42486985]Being autistic doesn't make you exempt from punishment. What did he do (or allegedly do) to be suspended?[/QUOTE] Well it can because you might not understand that what you did was wrong.

[QUOTE=Badballer;42486993]Well it can because you might not understand that what you did was wrong.[/QUOTE] Try robbing a bank and then pleading ignorant of the law and see how far that gets your defence [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] I.E. ignorance isn't a defence

I believe you about how shit your school is They didn't even teach you your there/their/they're

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42487003]Try robbing a bank and then pleading ignorant of the law and see how far that gets your defence [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] I.E. ignorance isn't a defence[/QUOTE] Not understanding that something is wrong due to having autism isn't being ignorant. (That said, in this story I'd hold off on judgment on either party until I know exactly what he was disciplined for)

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42487003]Try robbing a bank and then pleading ignorant of the law and see how far that gets your defence [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] I.E. ignorance isn't a defence[/QUOTE] Ignorance is one thing, not understanding is another. edit: ninja

[QUOTE=LarparNar;42487021]Not understanding that something is wrong due to having autism isn't being ignorant. (That said, in this story I'd hold off on judgment on either party until I know exactly what he was disciplined for)[/QUOTE] Sure. But that wasn't my point ; my point was that not understanding what's wrong shouldn't exempt him from punishment. [QUOTE=Talishmar;42487060]Ignorance is one thing, not understanding is another.[/QUOTE] Not understanding it's wrong to murder someone doesn't get you off on a manslaughter charge.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42487068]Sure. But that wasn't my point ; my point was that not understanding what's wrong shouldn't exempt him from punishment. Not understanding it's wrong to murder someone doesn't get you off on a manslaughter charge.[/QUOTE] This is a fucking autistic kid being punished in school, stop comparing it to robbing a bank or fucking murder

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42487068]Not understanding it's wrong to murder someone doesn't get you off on a manslaughter charge.[/QUOTE] In many countries this would give you a place in a closed psychiatric ward instead of punishment, so yes it might actually do that depending on circumstances.

[QUOTE=DudeGuyKT;42487106]This is a fucking autistic kid being punished in school, stop comparing it to robbing a bank or fucking murder[/QUOTE] So he shouldn't get punished just because he's autistic? What sort of precedent does that set? They can get anyway with anything and blame it on their condition?

Also what the two people before me said. [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Flapadar;42487115]So he shouldn't get punished just because he's autistic? What sort of precedent does that set? They can get anyway with anything and blame it on their condition?[/QUOTE] Like I said, it depends entirely on what he did.

[QUOTE=LarparNar;42487114]In many countries this would give you a place in a closed psychiatric ward instead of punishment, so yes it might actually do that depending on circumstances.[/QUOTE] You need to be declared mentally incompetent to get off on a psych charge in most countries. [QUOTE=LarparNar;42487116]Like I said, it depends entirely on what he did.[/QUOTE] And why should autistic people be punished differently than an average person?

This article doesnt provide much to go on, no idea what he was suspended for so there is no way to argue if it is valid or not. But there is no way he can get an auto-exemption just for being autistic irrelevant of what it is. On that note though the reason he was silenced was to stop him from revealing other students identities and personal information.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42487188]Flapadar you can rate me dumb all you like but comparing an offense equivalent to a 2 day suspension with murder is stupid as hell.[/QUOTE] Your post was dumb. Try re-reading it and you might find the logical fallacy. Try looking up legal precedent too.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42487230]So it's not dumb for you to compare someone getting suspended for 2 days at school with someone committing murder but it's dumb for me to draw lines with you complaining about someone with Tourette's getting away with swearing? Ok.[/QUOTE] It is extremely dumb. You're trying to counter my point that people with autism should be punished in the same way as someone without, by mentioning pretty much a parallel. You've added nothing but ad hominem to the discussion because my original point applies to your retort.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42487130]And why should autistic people be punished differently than an average person?[/QUOTE] Because his offense will help people decide whether or not he was punished justly or not. If its something like he was having trouble speaking or some assfuck kid was picking on him and he snapped then thats one thing. If its something like he wouldn't stop trying to tear the teachers dress off or some shit then support for him will pretty quickly disappear. Regardless we need the whole story and the article doesn't provide it.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42487260]Because his offense will help people decide whether or not he was punished justly or not. If its something like he was having trouble speaking or some assfuck kid was picking on him and he snapped then thats one thing. If its something like he wouldn't stop trying to tear the teachers dress off or some shit then support for him will pretty quickly disappear. Regardless we need the whole story and the article doesn't provide it.[/QUOTE] Either way, the kid being autistic has nothing to do with whether or not he should be punished. Any kid without autism should have the same considerations applied to their case. Bullying isn't exclusive to autistic kids.

[QUOTE=Huffington Post] At issue was a two-day suspension Ranieri was given earlier in the school year. He was suspended for having had an "outburst" during a discussion with a teacher over his Individualized Education Program and Behavior Intervention Plan, which he says was not properly implemented, according to the full text of Ranieri's speech. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/christian-ranieri-school-board-autistic-speech-video_n_4072754.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42487003]Try robbing a bank and then pleading ignorant of the law and see how far that gets your defence [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] I.E. ignorance isn't a defence[/QUOTE] I work with kids and young adults with disabilities and one of my clients is highly autistic and if something doesn't go as planned or is out of structure for him he will freak the fuck out. A lot of the the time people with disabilities like autism have triggers and when this occurs they will freak out and could potentially hurt someone and they can't help it. Though I still don't now what the kid in the news article was suspended for. Your example makes absolutely no sense. [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] ^ thanks for posting that Cep. Like I said, there was a trigger and he had a violent freak out. You can't suspend someone with autism over that.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42487269]Either way, the kid being autistic has nothing to do with whether or not he should be punished. Any kid without autism should have the same considerations applied to their case. Bullying isn't exclusive to autistic kids.[/QUOTE] Except if the issue was caused [I]because[/I] of his autism then the situation needs to be handled differently.

"Not acceptable for the public session" But its a room with like 4 people in it. The guys behind the camera are right, its genuinely NOT a discussion, its a presentation or a speech. Poor guy who wrote it, I just don't understand why the board (or whatever) feel the need not to listen, there's nothing legally that makes them object to this right?

[QUOTE=Flapadar;42487269]Either way, the kid being autistic has nothing to do with whether or not he should be punished. Any kid without autism should have the same considerations applied to their case. Bullying isn't exclusive to autistic kids.[/QUOTE] what the fuck is your issue all of this bullying and shit happened to him because he was autistic and yet here you are being a gigantic dickhole saying that autistics are treated to unfairly or some shit yeah way to make yourself look good darn autistic kids getting away with rape and murder

He still has a point, everyone goes on about treating people with disabilities equally yet complain when they receive the same punishments. I agree that the severity of his autism should probably help decide if a punishment is really needed but if we let autistic kids do whatever they want then surely they'll never learn wrong from right?

You guys are literally discussing one of the moral lessons from the book 'of mice and men'.

[QUOTE=Ishwoo;42488058]He still has a point, everyone goes on about treating people with disabilities equally yet complain when they receive the same punishments. I agree that the severity of his autism should probably help decide if a punishment is really needed but if we let autistic kids do whatever they want then surely they'll never learn wrong from right?[/QUOTE] It's not about "not punishing someone because they have autism" it's about not punishing someone for something they have no control over. His post is also dumb because he's being ignorant while claiming ignorance isn't a defense.

[QUOTE=Mr cake fingers;42487756] Poor guy who wrote it, I just don't understand why the board (or whatever) feel the need not to listen, there's nothing legally that makes them object to this right?[/QUOTE] The article says that the disciplinary action is confidential by law. [QUOTE]Waldenburg applauded Ranieri for “having the courage to come forward” and “share his perspectives,” but cited privacy laws for halting the speech.[/QUOTE]