[url]http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/129821498.html[/url]
[quote]A University of Minnesota bioethicist is offering $1,000 for medical proof that a woman’s daughter suffered mental retardation from the vaccine for human papillomavirus virus, a story that was told by Rep. Michele Bachmann after Monday’s debate.
Bachmann has come under fire from the medical community for suggesting the vaccination for the HPV virus, a sexually transmitted disease that can cause cervical cancer, is linked to mental illness.
Steven Miles, a U of M bioethics professor, said that he’ll give $1,000 if the medical records of the woman from Bachmann’s story are released and can be viewed by a medical professional.
His offer was upped by his former boss from the University of Minnesota, Art Caplan, who is now director of the University of Pennsylvania Center for Bioethics. Caplan said he would match Miles' challenge and offered $10,000 for proof of the HPV vaccine victim.
“These types of messages in this climate have the capacity to do enormous public health harm,” Miles said of why he made the offer. “The woman, assuming she exists, put this claim into the public domain and it’s an extremely serious claim and it deserves to be analyzed.”
After attacking Texas Gov. Rick Perry over his vaccination executive order at Monday’s debate — which scored Bachmann points from debate pundits — the Minnesota Republican said a woman had told her that the HPV vaccine had caused her daughter’s mental retardation. Bachmann repeated the story on NBC’s “Today” the next morning.
“There’s a woman that came up crying to me tonight after the debate,” Bachman told Fox News. “She said her daughter was given that vaccine. She said her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result of that vaccine.”
The comment has sparked widespread criticism from the medical community, which has said Bachmann was stoking unfounded fears similar to claims made about vaccines and Autism. The Centers for Disease Control website makes no mention of mental illness in its “adverse events” report on the HPV vaccine.
Bachmann somewhat walked back her comments Tuesday on Sean Hannity’s radio show, where she said she had “no idea” if the HPV vaccine was linked to mental illness. “I’m not a doctor, I’m not a scientist, I’m not a physician,” Bachmann said. “All I was doing is reporting what this woman told me last night at the debate.”
Miles and Caplan said they aren’t expecting much from their offer, but they are prepared to pay should the Bachmann campaign provide the woman or if she comes forward independently.
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[QUOTE=The BoxDog;32298264][url]http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/129821498.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Good. People need to call this shit out.
I thought the article was about Michele Bachmann having mental retardation.
[QUOTE=Ergolicious;32298375]I thought the article was about Michele Bachmann having mental retardation.[/QUOTE]It still is
I'll be honest, when I began reading it I thought he was asking for proof that the vaccine caused her retardation, and I disapproved. I'd compare [I]that[/I] to that Christian dude's offering a million dollars for "proof of evolution", as you can't really prove these things, and it becomes little more than a publicity stunt.
When I read further, however, that he simply wanted her medical records, I changed my mind, and agreed with him. The idea of vaccines causing disease is unsupported by evidence.
yo box dog i think you need to re-count the zeroes
1k = 10k?
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[QUOTE=Lankist;32298492]yo box dog i think you need to re-count the zeroes[/QUOTE]
Nope, one guy said $1,000 originally, and then a different guy said he'd give $10,000.
[QUOTE=Lankist;32298492]yo box dog i think you need to re-count the zeroes[/QUOTE]
yo lankist i think you need to re-read the thread
The boss upped it to 10k.
yo box dog i think i made a mistake
Yo Lankist, it's alright, we all make mistakes
I am going to offer the state of Mississippi.
Even if I lose, I secretly win.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32298486]I'll be honest, when I began reading it I thought he was asking for proof that the vaccine caused her retardation, and I disapproved. I'd compare [I]that[/I] to that Christian dude's offering a million dollars for "proof of evolution", as you can't really prove these things, and it becomes little more than a publicity stunt.
When I read further, however, that he simply wanted her medical records, I changed my mind, and agreed with him. The idea of vaccines causing disease is unsupported by evidence.[/QUOTE]
But you can prove evolution. Just as you can, a cause-and-effect relationship between vaccines and mental retardation. When I say prove I mean with a 99.9% certainty.
And somehow I feel as though if either of those two people (the one offering $1M and the one offering $10K) are proved wrong, I have a gut feeling that one will deny making any claim (or rephrase what they said to appear as though the conditions still aren't met) and one will follow through. Guess which one.
[QUOTE=GunFox;32298736]I am going to offer the state of Mississippi.
Even if I lose, I secretly win.[/QUOTE]I see your Mississippi and raise you an Alabama.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32298486]I'll be honest, when I began reading it I thought he was asking for proof that the vaccine caused her retardation, and I disapproved. I'd compare [I]that[/I] to that Christian dude's offering a million dollars for "proof of evolution", as you can't really prove these things, and it becomes little more than a publicity stunt.[/QUOTE]
What? You cannot compare those two things at all.
Bachmann's just straight-up trollin' now.
I mean... really?
Didn't Bachmann go around with a Dr. in front of her name for a while? I've heard that she actually had a medical-related degree, as well.
[QUOTE=Repulsion;32301225]Didn't Bachmann go around with a Dr. in front of her name for a while? I've heard that she actually had a medical-related degree, as well.[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling someone gave her it out of pity. Like she just wandered into the hospital one day wearing a lab-coat and none of the doctors had the heart to throw her out.
[quote]Bachmann somewhat walked back her comments Tuesday on Sean Hannity’s radio show, where she said she had “no idea” if the HPV vaccine was linked to mental illness. [B]“I’m not a doctor, I’m not a scientist, I’m not a physician,” Bachmann said. “All I was doing is reporting what this woman told me last night at the debate.”[/B][/quote]
Brilliant.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;32301773]Brilliant.[/QUOTE]
I'm not a doctor, I'm not a scientist, I'm not a physician, but someone told me last night that homosexuals caused Pearl Harbor, and the Japanese were influenced by Liberals when they decided to attack. Bachmann 2012!!!
[quote]Bachmann somewhat walked back her comments Tuesday on Sean Hannity’s radio show, where she said she had “no idea” if the HPV vaccine was linked to mental illness. “I’m not a doctor, I’m not a scientist, I’m not a physician,” Bachmann said. “All I was doing is reporting what this woman told me last night at the debate.”[/quote]
"I don't really believe what I say; I don't even know anything about it! I'm just a gullible parrot and/or a liar."
I am in total disbelief of how anyone even takes her seriously. How does she have any supporters, they must be as mindless as she.
[QUOTE=Cone;32301267]I have a feeling someone gave her it out of pity. Like she just wandered into the hospital one day wearing a lab-coat and none of the doctors had the heart to throw her out.[/QUOTE]
She called herself doctor because she completed a professional doctorate (the Juris Doctor), which can be crudely put as the legal version of the medical doctorate.
Research doctorates (predominately the PhD but others exist) also allow one to call themselves a doctor.
You can't really fault her on calling herself doctor, unless it was in a medical context.
Tbh if I had spent a quarter of a million dollars on education I'd be calling myself a doctor as well.
a medical related degree what the fuck
I didn't know they gave out degrees for insanity
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[QUOTE=The Pretender;32302264]I am in total disbelief of how anyone even takes her seriously. How does she have any supporters, they must be as mindless as she.[/QUOTE]
This is why I cannot support gun control in the United States.
[H2]MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THINK BACHMANN IS FIT TO BE PRESIDENT[/H2]
Think about that for a second. What the holy fucking fuck.
"All I was doing is reporting what this woman told me last night"
:colbert:
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