Mark Ruffalo pushes petition to end ‘white conservative hiring’ at NBC and MSNBC - Polidicks

[quote]Mark Ruffalo, Marvel Studio’s “Hulk,” is pushing millions of fans to pressure NBC executives to stop hiring “white conservative” talent. Hollywood’s current “Bruce Banner” is angry that right-leaning and conservative commentators like Nicole Wallace, Hugh Hewitt, and George Will are allowed airtime on NBC and MSNBC. The actor, known for supporting the campaigns of Democrat politicians and environmental groups, is urging over 3 million Twitter followers to quash the shift by Andrew Lack, the chairman of NBC News and MSNBC. “Sign the petition: Tell @MSNBC @NBCNews to stop the white conservative hiring spree,” Mr. Ruffalo tweeted over the weekend.[/quote] [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/13/mark-ruffalo-in-hulk-rage-at-nbc-pushes-petition-t/[/url] Link to Petition (Over 170,000 signatures) [url]https://act.credoaction.com/sign/msnbc_conservatives/?source=tw1[/url] Personally I think this is silly considering: MSNBC already has such a null conservative representation on the show, this is an appeal to racism against white people, and it totally ignores intellectual diversity by using the excuse these people must be hateful for the wrong opinion.

I personally wish people would stop listening to actors as a source of wisdom. Most actors aren't any more intelligent than the average Joe.

Oh hey do the exact same thing the alt right does.

Reverse racism is still just racism, and just as unacceptable. Horseshoe theory in action

[QUOTE=TFA;52361844]Reverse racism is still just racism, and just as unacceptable. Horseshoe theory in action[/QUOTE] I don't think you can even call it reverse racism. I'd imagine reverse racism would logically be more like being deliberately nice to someone of a specific race or some shit like that. [editline]15th June 2017[/editline] Well, okay, it doesn't even work in that aspect since racism already kinda covers that. It's just a nonsensical BS term, all in all.

[QUOTE=TFA;52361844]Reverse racism is still just racism, and just as unacceptable. Horseshoe theory in action[/QUOTE] reverse racism isn't really a thing racism is about widespread institutional disadvantage more than anything else so I don't think any white person with half a brain could really claim that they are at a widespread institutional disadvantage in the world. Things like the news story above aren't institutionalised

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52361879]reverse racism isn't really a thing racism is about widespread institutional disadvantage more than anything else so I don't think any white person with half a brain could really claim that they are at a widespread institutional disadvantage in the world. Things like the news story above aren't institutionalised[/QUOTE] Well if you get to define all the terms then sure institutional racism is literally the only kind that matters Except you don't and it's not

[QUOTE=TFA;52361844]Reverse racism is still just racism, and just as unacceptable. Horseshoe theory in action[/QUOTE] He's not saying to not hire white people. This is about MSNBC's push to give airtime to conservatives/Trump supporters and become "center" news, aka tap into that sweet new market. Their new focus is pretty well-known and it seems like Ruffalo doesn't agree with shifting news to the right. [editline]a[/editline] Forgive Slate, it's a shitty source in all else but this article talks about who they've hired and why they're doing it. NYT and WaPo have joined as well. [url]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/05/why_are_the_nyt_wapo_and_msnbc_on_a_conservative_hiring_spree.html[/url] TLDR they're either making a grab for new conservative viewership, trying to diversify their audience, or just making a PR move.

[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;52361897]He's not saying to not hire white people.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Sign the petition: Tell @MSNBC @NBCNews to stop the white conservative hiring spree[/QUOTE] Are you sure about that

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52361879]reverse racism isn't really a thing [/QUOTE] reverse racism isn't really a thing b/c it's just called racism pls stop trying to undermine racism by insisting it's not actually about race.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52361942]reverse racism isn't really a thing b/c it's just called racism pls stop trying to undermine racism but insisting it's not actually about race.[/QUOTE] But Racism is power plus prejudice. You can't be racist to white people because white people have never suffered :badzing:.

Isn't MSNBC the Fox News of the left? Why would conservatives want to work there?

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52361879]reverse racism isn't really a thing racism is about widespread institutional disadvantage more than anything else so I don't think any white person with half a brain could really claim that they are at a widespread institutional disadvantage in the world. Things like the news story above aren't institutionalised[/QUOTE] It is really a thing when 1) policemen don't resolve cases around colored folk to avoid being branded racist 2) when colored folk use their skin color to advance agendas and shut up others.

to be fair he's criticizing people like cnbc's jake novak who can never write a bad word about trump or conservatives, even spinning the fact that 23 million will loose healthcare as good, trump's nonsensical inhumane budget the best budget ever, and somehow attempted to spin sanders and the left as the source for all the problems in this country. if they are not going to even be self critical and at least inform people of the reality of the situation, that trumps budget math is impossible, that it promised deep cuts to services that not only make jobs but everybody left or right, rely on daily, then you need to be sacked as a journalist because you're not telling the truth, you're trying to tell your truth

[QUOTE=download;52361819]I personally wish people would stop listening to actors as a source of wisdom. Most actors aren't any more intelligent than the average Joe.[/QUOTE] often they can be much stupider, due to the effect that having lots of money/influence does for a person in showbusiness who has an excessively high opinion of themselves

I always think it's odd how liberal networks will hire conservative folks but fox news rarely does the reverse.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52362549]often they can be much stupider, due to the effect that having lots of money/influence does for a person in showbusiness who has an excessively high opinion of themselves[/QUOTE] That is a very good point.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52362604]I always think it's odd how liberal networks will hire conservative folks but fox news rarely does the reverse.[/QUOTE] They have never had to. Think for a second about who watches TV news. It's mostly the older generations, who tend to be heavily conservative. So in order to have any success on TV, they have to either attract younger people who lean left but are cutting the cord, or try and get those older conservatives. Fox, on the other hand, already has the old conservatives, and a very large market share. So they really don't need to appeal to any other opinions.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52362632]They have never had to. Think for a second about who watches TV news. It's mostly the older generations, who tend to be heavily conservative. So in order to have any success on TV, they have to either attract younger people who lean left but are cutting the cord, or try and get those older conservatives. Fox, on the other hand, already has the old conservatives, and a very large market share. So they really don't need to appeal to any other opinions.[/QUOTE] So mainstream media really isn't all that left wing and really just cares about money

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52362645]So mainstream media really isn't all that left wing and really just cares about money[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say that. I would say they are more worried about having enough viewers to afford to stay on TV, but not trying to pander so much that they have to completely drop their platform.

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52361879]reverse racism isn't really a thing racism is about widespread institutional disadvantage more than anything else so I don't think any white person with half a brain could really claim that they are at a widespread institutional disadvantage in the world. Things like the news story above aren't institutionalised[/QUOTE] i'd agree if we were talking specifically about institutional racism, but we're not

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52362665]I wouldn't say that. I would say they are more worried about having enough viewers to afford to stay on TV, but not trying to pander so much that they have to completely drop their platform.[/QUOTE] Its funny that conservatives say MSM is too liberal and liberals say MSM is too conservative (or rather that MSM tries so hard to be centrist they give platform to conservatives and for fear of looking bias refuse to criticise conservatives they invite on). hmm...

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52361879]reverse racism isn't really a thing racism is about widespread institutional disadvantage more than anything else so I don't think any white person with half a brain could really claim that they are at a widespread institutional disadvantage in the world. Things like the news story above aren't institutionalised[/QUOTE] The "institutional" definition of racism is a ridiculous fabrication that only exists to justify racism against white people on the basis that "they're not oppressed so it doesn't count :)". Asking people to stop hiring white people is racist. Maybe not institutionally racist, but definitely racist. [editline]15th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;52361897]He's not saying to not hire white people. This is about MSNBC's push to give airtime to conservatives/Trump supporters and become "center" news, aka tap into that sweet new market. Their new focus is pretty well-known and it seems like Ruffalo doesn't agree with shifting news to the right. [editline]a[/editline] Forgive Slate, it's a shitty source in all else but this article talks about who they've hired and why they're doing it. NYT and WaPo have joined as well. [url]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/05/why_are_the_nyt_wapo_and_msnbc_on_a_conservative_hiring_spree.html[/url] TLDR they're either making a grab for new conservative viewership, trying to diversify their audience, or just making a PR move.[/QUOTE] He literally says not to hire white conservatives, what tweet are you reading? If it was just about conservatives he would have said "conservatives". See how simple that is? [editline]15th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;52362181]Isn't MSNBC the Fox News of the left? Why would conservatives want to work there?[/QUOTE] I'd say CNN is the closest thing to a left wing Fox. MSNBC is still left leaning but as far as I've seen they actually do represent some centrist and conservative viewpoints fairly at times.

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52362316]It is really a thing when 1) policemen don't resolve cases around colored folk to avoid being branded racist 2) when colored folk use their skin color to advance agendas and shut up others.[/QUOTE] Thats just racism, my dude. Also "colored folk"? Lol.

[QUOTE=srobins;52363622]I'd say CNN is the closest thing to a left wing Fox. MSNBC is still left leaning but as far as I've seen they actually do represent some centrist and conservative viewpoints fairly at times.[/QUOTE] I don't think any of the major news networks can really be called left wing because they're all owned by massive corporations.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52364249]I don't think any of the major news networks can really be called left wing because they're all owned by massive corporations.[/QUOTE] I don't understand what you mean. I know that lots of liberals tend to take anti-corporate stances on a personal level but left wing politics in America is still beholden to the influence and demands of corporations and special interests. Liberals are just slightly better at hiding it imo.

[QUOTE=srobins;52364327]I don't understand what you mean. I know that lots of liberals tend to take anti-corporate stances on a personal level but left wing politics in America is still beholden to the influence and demands of corporations and special interests. Liberals are just slightly better at hiding it imo.[/QUOTE] "Liberals" as in the boogeyman that describes "people on the left" or as in the centre-right democratic party?

This is just saying to MSNBC to stop hiring ex-Fox News hosts please.

[QUOTE=srobins;52364327]I don't understand what you mean. I know that lots of liberals tend to take anti-corporate stances on a personal level but left wing politics in America is still beholden to the influence and demands of corporations and special interests. Liberals are just slightly better at hiding it imo.[/QUOTE] Liberalism =/= Left Wing, even if they might agree on some things. Similar to how Conservatism and Republicans are distinct but similar ideologies.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52364646]I agree, but at the same time though you have to admit while people using racism and institutional racism interchangeable is misleading; I feel like there's a small amount of merit to the motives behind it simply because using the label of racism on what happens to white people occasionally diminishes the much greater persecution non WASPs deal with. That and no doubt actual racists and racism apologists take any sign that a white person is getting a hard time no matter how small or insignificant and go "SEEE LIBERALS ARE THE ULTIMATE RACISTS WHITES HAVE IT JUST AS BAD AS BLACK HUR HUR HUR!!!111"[/QUOTE] You're the one minimizing racism; you just do it when it happens to white people. The idea of "white people don't have to deal with REAL racism" also completely ignores the fact that [i]every situation between two or more people is incredibly complex.[/i] A white guy could get stopped by a racist black cop who hates white people. That black cop has far more power over the white man in that situation; are you honestly going to tell me that the white guy is not suffering legitimate racism? Your definition of racism assumes that white people can never be in a position of less power than a minority, which is fucking ridiculous. Power imbalance isn't just "well they're a minority so they're the ones facing [i]real[/i] discrimination." It's complex. Racism matters no matter who it happens to.