Trump calls Putin "a leader far more than [Obama] has been"
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[quote=BBC]Donald Trump has showered Vladimir Putin with praise as he and rival Hillary Clinton took pointed questions from military veterans.
The Republican presidential nominee told the forum the Russian president "has been a leader far more than our president [Obama] has been".
It came on the same day the chief of the Pentagon accused Russia of sowing the seeds of global instability.
Mrs Clinton, meanwhile, defended her judgment despite her email scandal.
The White House candidates appeared back to back on stage in half-hour segments in New York on Wednesday night.
Mr Trump was quizzed by NBC host Matt Lauer on his previous complimentary remarks about Mr Putin.
He responded: "He does have an 82% approval rating."
"I think when he calls me brilliant I'll take the compliment, ok?" added the businessman.
He said Mr Putin had "great control over his country".[/quote]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37303057[/url]
he also defended a tweet he made 3 years ago about sex assaults in the military which said "What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?", saying "It is a correct tweet"
an interesting preview of how the debates will go
Trump is a Russian puppet confirmed. [sp]Being real here though, he seems to have lots of strange ties with Russia[/sp]
"Damnit, Trump, don't give it away!" - Vladimir Putin
[QUOTE=Destroyox;51018093]Trump is a Russian puppet confirmed. [sp]Being real here though, he seems to have lots of strange ties with Russia[/sp][/QUOTE]
I think they just have an understanding with each other because they are both narcissistic political strongmen.
I've said it before, most right/conservative americans would feel right at home within the russian conservative spectrum, there's quite a lot of overlap; the affinity between trump and putin is a good example of that.
To be fair Putin is doing a pretty decent job at not causing the apocalypse and the molloch that is Russia to fall apart. No offense to Russia, just saying that managing a country this huge and influential has got to be hard.
[QUOTE=SirJon;51018127]To be fair Putin is doing a pretty decent job at not causing the apocalypse and the molloch that is Russia to fall apart. No offense to Russia, just saying that managing a country this huge and influential has got to be hard.[/QUOTE]
Putin does a tremendous job of hiding an incredible amount of corruption, political assassinations and cashflow to separatist
Trump gets into the White House, Putin gets to have a field day with previous Soviet states but disguise it as """protection to the Russian population"""
Putin is scum
TBH, I would probably agree that Putin has been more of a leader than Obama.
Of course that's a completely different question than whether I think Putin's goals are more in-line with my own. (They aren't)
For better or for worse trump again hit the nail on the head with a blind jab...
Leadership-wise? Yeah, I probably agree, if only because of how uninspiring and dividing of a leader Obama is.
Putin and Trump both operate based off of cult of personality.
It makes no surprise to see them be friends and be similar but I feel like it's just Putin pushing Trump around.
Trump will just get manipulated and played by Putin. Put ins a genuinely scary person. Trump is a bully. Bullies always lose to the real scary guys.
I'm just sitting here watching people who have been railing on Clinton for corruption [i]for literal months straight[/i] praise Putin as an example of a great leader [i]when he has very clearly falsified entire elections[/i].
The hypocrisy is incredible. It's easy to be a good leader when you run an authoritarian government.
Didn't Trump already piss off Putin and the Kremlin by putting Russia in the same category as ISIS? If he's going back on that stupid ad, this is just another example of his flip-flopping.
[video=youtube;17EOM3RTD1Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17EOM3RTD1Y[/video]
I'm no political expert, an I don't particularly feel amazing about him, but I think that Obama will go down in history as an above average president.
[quote]He said Mr Putin had "great control over his country".[/quote]
Putin has tight grip over the country's media, NCOs, federal provinces and courts. Even duma and businesses must toe his line in order to function properly in the country. I find praising this sort of singular control chilling coming from US presidential candidate. Reading into that, is Trump even in favor of constitutional separation of powers?
[QUOTE=sgman91;51018229]TBH, I would probably agree that Putin has been more of a leader than Obama.
Of course that's a completely different question than whether I think Putin's goals are more in-line with my own. (They aren't)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, sure we might disagree with his view and philosophy, but he's not a bad leader or politician.
I think people are trusting our western media too much, everybody has a bias and we're no better.
And yes i realize how paid off i sound right now :v:
I have this feeling that people will appreciate Obama more in 4 years.
[QUOTE=SirJon;51018127]To be fair Putin is doing a pretty decent job at not causing the apocalypse and the molloch that is Russia to fall apart. No offense to Russia, just saying that managing a country this huge and influential has got to be hard.[/QUOTE]
and yet they could have a thriving economy if it werent all centralised under the kremlin and everything controlled through cronies. all putin is doing is putting russia in a controlled descent, its slow but theyre still going to crash
[editline]8th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Vlevs;51018633]Putin has tight grip over the country's media, NCOs, federal provinces and courts. Even duma and businesses must toe his line in order to function properly in the country. I find praising this sort of singular control chilling coming from US presidential candidate. Reading into that, is Trump even in favor of constitutional separation of powers?[/QUOTE]
hes an expert in article 12 of the constitution so he'll be really good at that
[QUOTE=Monkah;51018356]Leadership-wise? Yeah, I probably agree, if only because of how uninspiring and dividing of a leader Obama is.[/QUOTE]
By this logic, people like Kim Jong Un are better leaders than Obama.
Being widely "loved" in a country where your education is utter shite, your media is state controlled and a ton of other stuff that makes Russia backwards isn't saying shit.
Any TRULY democratic country today where you don't rule the media with a iron fist, you have a actual oppression to the government and you have a fairly decent education system, you'll end up with almost half of said country finding the current leader "uninspiring" and divisive, lol.
It's not hard to be a leader when you have no opposition.
[QUOTE=Monkah;51018356]Leadership-wise? Yeah, I probably agree, if only because of how uninspiring and dividing of a leader Obama is.[/QUOTE]
obama isn't a divisive president, he's just presiding over a divided country
[QUOTE=Vlevs;51018633]Putin has tight grip over the country's media, NCOs, federal provinces and courts. Even duma and businesses must toe his line in order to function properly in the country. I find praising this sort of singular control chilling coming from US presidential candidate. Reading into that, is Trump even in favor of constitutional separation of powers?[/QUOTE]
a lot of american conservatives praise putin as a strong leader while calling obama a tyrant if he so much as sneezes
but i guess being a modern dictator is ok as long as you beat the gays
I'd be open to a warmer friendship with Putin. Would embracing Russia as an ally really be so bad for us?
[QUOTE=Chonch;51019767]I'd be open to a warmer friendship with Putin. Would embracing Russia as an ally really be so bad for us?[/QUOTE]
No, it wouldn't... heck, there is an argument Putin would become easier on his country in effect, and the Russian people would get more freedoms.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51019767]I'd be open to a warmer friendship with Putin. Would embracing Russia as an ally really be so bad for us?[/QUOTE]
angloscepticism still is strong in russia as well as russoscepticism here in the US, we just have too much bad blood and theres too many in russia who want the old ways to make it work. even if putin didnt control the elections and there were a strong opposition, the conservative side of russia is so powerful that no real progress would ever be made
[editline]8th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jund;51019710]a lot of american conservatives praise putin as a strong leader while calling obama a tyrant if he so much as sneezes
but i guess being a modern dictator is ok as long as you beat the gays[/QUOTE]
obama has said it pretty perfectly before, if you are the only one who can run the nation then you have failed as a leader. the fact (and it is a fact) that he will depart from office in a few months is testament to the strength of the US government at large to lead the country
[QUOTE=Chonch;51019767]I'd be open to a warmer friendship with Putin. Would embracing Russia as an ally really be so bad for us?[/QUOTE]
Since he's pretty much a dictator who bullies our eastern allies? Fuck yeah it would be bad.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51019793]No, it wouldn't... heck, there is an argument Putin would become easier on his country in effect, and the Russian people would get more freedoms.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/10/16/how-the-russian-reset-explains-obamas-foreign-policy/"]Remember when Obama campaigned on the Russian Reset in 2008 and Putin took that as an opportunity to walk all over everyone? Remember when Romney back in 2012 said that Obama was too soft on Russia and Republicans were totally up in arms over all this shit?[/URL]
I don't like Clinton's Hawkish tendencies, but I really don't understand Republicans amnesia and obligate opposition to everything the Democrats do.
[QUOTE=Monkah;51018356]Leadership-wise? Yeah, I probably agree, if only because of how uninspiring and dividing of a leader Obama is.[/QUOTE]
he's not dividing lol. the right wing just hates him for not being conservative, and everyone that has drank the conservative kool-aid doesn't realize it's their own party that divides them. not the leader.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51019630]obama isn't a divisive president, he's just presiding over a divided country[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call him a divisive president but he has been divisive on issues of guns and racism. He said we couldn't understand the motives of the Dallas police shooter, but the motives and influences are clear as day.
