UN: Iran is making nuclear warhead - Polidicks

[TABLE="align: center"] [TR] [TD][URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/07/iran-working-on-advanced-nuclear-warhead"][IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/static/242e9cbc1e31ab314fee87b8246585342ebd1a6f/common/images/logos/the-guardian/news.gif[/IMG][/URL][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/07/iran-working-on-advanced-nuclear-warhead"][/URL][release] [TABLE="align: center"] [TR] [TD][B]Iran nuclear report: IAEA claims Tehran working on advanced warhead[/B] IAEA findings [I]could [/I]pave way to sanctions or [B]military strike[/B] although no 'smoking gun' expected to be revealed in report[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [SUP]Long article:[/SUP] The UN's nuclear watchdog will publish new details on Wednesday on alleged Iranian work on an advanced design for a nuclear warhead developed with the help of a former Soviet scientist, according to nuclear experts. The report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which will also identify a suspect site where warhead components have been tested, is the most detailed presentation to date of its evidence for recent nuclear weapons research in Iran. It is expected to raise tensions in an already volatile region, amid reports that Israel, the US and the UK are weighing military options aimed at setting back the Iranian nuclear programme. Israeli officials are telling western capitals that the report represents the "last chance" for a peaceful resolution to the Iranian nuclear crisis. Iranian officials have already denounced the report as "counterfeit" and there are doubts, even in Washington and London, whether the IAEA evidence will be enough to convince Russia and China to abandon their opposition to further economic sanctions, let alone countenance air strikes. The report will use information provided by western intelligence agencies, and although it will cite only evidence that has been corroborated by the IAEA's own research, its provenance is likely to become a focus of debate. The IAEA report will say the Iranian studies on weaponisation have been downgraded since 2004 from building and testing components to mostly computer modelling. "This will not be a smoking gun," said Olli Heinonen, formerly the IAEA's chief inspector now at Harvard University. "But there are areas of concern, and much of it is alarming." One of the biggest areas of concern for the IAEA is evidence that Iranian scientists have conducted research on hemispherical arrays of explosives, of a type used in the construction of nuclear weapons to crush a spherical core of fissile material and thereby trigger a chain reaction. The central evidence for the research is a five-page document outlining experiments with the device, codenamed the R265 because it has a 265mm radius, but the UN inspectors are said to have gathered other corroborating evidence. David Albright, a former UN weapons inspector who now runs an independent thinktank, the Institute for Science and International Security (Isis), said the device, first described in a 2009 article in the Guardian, relies on a complex system to ensure a large number of explosives are triggered simultaneously. "It is a hemispherical aluminium shell system that contains a distributed array of explosive filled channels which terminate in explosive pellets," Albright told the Guardian. "The pellets simultaneously explode to initiate the entire outer surface of a high explosive component in hemispherical form under the shell. These explosive would compress the core. The whole hemispherical system is initiated by one initial point of detonation, or two points for an entire device of two hemispheres." Previous IAEA reports have said Iran appears to have received foreign assistance in its experiments with advanced explosive devices, and the Washington Post named Vyacheslav Danilenko, a Russian former atomic scientist, as a key advisor, who is said to have given lectures and contributed papers on explosives at Iran's now defunct Physics Research Centre, which had ties to the country's nuclear programme. Danilenko did not reply to emails seeking comment, but sources close to the IAEA said he told its inspectors that he believed his advice was being used for civilian purposes. He is now carrying out research for a Czech-based company which uses explosives to make tiny diamonds for industrial uses. Press reports from Vienna, where the IAEA is based, said Wednesday's report will also give details of the agency's suspicions that a steel bus-sized chamber spotted in satellite photos at a military complex at Parchin, 18 miles south-east of Tehran, has been used for testing explosive components for a nuclear weapon. The IAEA has previously conducted two inspections of parts of the Parchin complex in 2005, but found no evidence of nuclear activity. However, large parts of the complex were not subject to inspection. The Tehran government has rejected the evidence. The foreign minister, Ali Akbar Salehi, has rejected it as "counterfeit". In an interview with an Egyptian newspaper, Al Akhbar, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said: "The bullying powers of the world should know that Iran will not allow them to take any measure against the country." The IAEA report comes at a time of an unprecedented public debate in Israel over whether the country should take military action to try to prevent Iran developing a nuclear weapon, amid reports that the prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, is seeking to convince his coalition government to support such action. Earlier this year the US supplied Israel with 55 bunker-busting bombs, and last week the Israeli air force conducted drills at a Nato base in Sardinia for long-range attacks. Reports from Israel have suggested that any raid against Iranian nuclear sites could be routed over Iraq, which has no anti-aircraft batteries. However, Avner Cohen, an expert on Israel's own nuclear arsenal and a professor at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, said: "I think it's 70%-80% bluff that we are planning to attack. I don't think Israel is planning to do anything right now, but it wants to leverage the report to put maximum pressure on Russia and China to agree to very new sanctions or risk a new war." Cohen added: "Everybody recognises it will be counter-productive, that the costs outweigh the benefits. Iran would leave NPT [nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty] throw out the IAEA, and declare it has the right to nuclear weapons. I don't think they have a majority even in the inner cabinet to do it, but there is no question they are building capabilities." He said they thought that even hawks did not believe that Iran would use a nuclear weapon against Israel, but they believe it might be necessary to go to war to preserve Israel's relative power in the Middle East. "Ultimately this is a fight over the Israeli nuclear monopoly in the region," Cohen said. Jeffrey Lewis, arms control expert at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, said that the details of the IAEA report would be crucial in judging its significance. "If the allegation is that the Iranians have continued to do research at university level, the question whether these things are unambiguous. The precise level of government involvement is the key," Lewis said. He added: "If Iran is moseying towards a bomb option, there are all sorts of things they can do legitimately which taken in sum support the hypothesis they are taking that path. The thing they want to avoid is making that final choice [to make a bomb]. "We are going to have to accept there is going to be some risk, but maybe it's worth living with ambiguity in the hope of somehow heading them off from exercising that choice, because if you strike the Iranian programme you guarantee they are going to turn around and try to make a bomb. You buy yourselves a few years but it's pretty sure they end up with a bomb." Explosive charge: The scientist accused of aiding Tehran Vyacheslav Danilenko, a Russian former atomic scientist, was alleged in the Washington Post to have provided advice on explosives to Iranian scientists which was incorporated into Tehran's design for a nuclear warhead. Sources close to the IAEA confirmed he was the "foreign expert" referred to in its past reports on Iranian weaponisation. It said he had given lectures over a number of years to Iranian specialists on how to rig simultaneous explosions: mastering such explosive force is critical in building an implosion-type nuclear device, in which high explosives compress highly enriched uranium or plutonium until it reaches critical mass, triggering a chain reaction. However, in interviews with the IAEA, Danilenko is said to have insisted that he had been under the impression his advice would be used for purely civilian applications of explosive technology, sources close to the agency said. Although he did not specify what those applications were, he now works for a company called Nanogroup, based in the Czech Republic, which specialises in the use of explosives to make tiny diamonds for industrial purposes. On its website the company describes itself as "the first industrial manufacturer of nanodiamonds in the world market". Danilenko, who is said to be writing a theoretical textbook on high explosives, did not respond to requests for comment. • This article was amended on 8 November 2011 because the original said Jeffrey Lewis is a nuclear expert at the New America Foundation. Lewis left the foundation last year, and is now arms control expert at the Monterey Institute of International Studies. This has been corrected.[/release] This sounds vaguely familiar.

late by decades

Well this is a new development. It's got the 'breaking news' headlines on the [I]non-sensationalist[/I] papers here. And that's rare. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SYUxT.png[/IMG]

i was joking

listen Iran we have over 1000 nukes but how dare you try to defend urself with one

That's kind of scary :c

Considering nothing was done about north korea I doubt anything will happen here.

Good job Iran, I hope you successfully complete this warhead and advance your aerospace industry a little bit more to allow for ground nuclear weaponry to deter any invasions.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33186126]Considering nothing was done about north korea I doubt anything will happen here.[/QUOTE] Israel/Iran is way more heated then North Korea/South. Also toss in a dash of unpredictable religion and a dosh of active warfare ongoing in the region and you have a bit of a scary mix. Iran has a right to make this, but I'm afraid someone - be it US and Israel as much as Iran - may act on this.

Well they will probably drop it on Israel

[QUOTE=Jasun;33186065]i was joking[/QUOTE] Oh. Now I finally got it. Doi!

I think there is already a thread for this on the very same forum page. [URL]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1138309[/URL] Edit: You guys should read this instead and see why some of you have already blurted out stupidities. Edit2: Some clearance on the matter from starpluck regarding why Iran wants and has the right to get a nuke. [QUOTE=Starpluck;33150792] True, they'd be taken seriously and wont turn into the next Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc. Given Iran's history it'd be wise to seek a nuke. It's a pity that it's necessary but I'd do the same. [release][URL="http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html"]1953-CIA backed coup overthrows the popular democratically elected government [/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK#Victims"]1953-1979 The US implements and supports a brutal dictatorship. 1000's murdered by the Shahs secret police the SAVAK. [/URL] 1979-81 US hostages taken and released. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war"]1980-1988 Following popular revolution against the US backed dictator, Iran is invaded. The US supported the aggressor in the war that cost Iran 500,000 casualties.[/URL] [URL="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/earnest_will.htm"]The US escorts shipping up and down the gulf, except Iranian, which it allows Iraq to attack[/URL] [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Spiders-Web-Secret-History-Illegally/dp/0553096508"]When Iraq falters in its attack, the US provides chemical weapons satellite intelligence [/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655"]1988- USS ship shoots down a commercial flight operated by Iran Air. refuse to apologize. Gives medals to the shooters. George H. W. Bush declared, "I will never apologize for the United States of America — I don't care what the facts are" in reference to the incident [/URL] [URL="http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2001_10/sanctionsoct01"]1998 Irans regional neighbours, India/Pakistan get nukes, no longterm sanctions are placed on them. [/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil"]2002 USA places Iran in Axis of Evil [/URL] [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/20070429_iran-memo-expurgated.pdf"]2003 Iran offers full transparency on WMD, aid on the war on terror including HAMAS hizbollah, and co-ordination on Iraq, normalisation of relations. Offer rejected by USA [/URL] 2003 US invades countries on either side of Iran's borders. [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html"] 2005: President Bush approves covert CIA operation in Iran [/URL] 2003-11 Israel calls for Iran to be bombed, launches practice raids.[/release][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Falchion;33186717]I think there is already a thread for this on the very same forum page. [URL]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1138309[/URL] [/QUOTE] Oh right, I posted in that one. But this one has tons of new info though.

[QUOTE=sYnced;33186101]listen Iran we have over 1000 nukes but how dare you try to defend urself with one[/QUOTE] we're dismantling ours, they're making them.

I wonder what the reason for this war will be, other than the bullshit I mean.

[QUOTE=umx48;33186822]we're dismantling ours[/QUOTE] TOTALLY doubt it. maybe we're minimizing but we have a shit ton. Iran isn't a nation of terrorists. It's a nation afraid of superpowers like the US and the only way to defend itself is to level the playing field. Where does the UN get off at denying Iran nuclear arseanols and then turning a blind eye on almost every other nation??

Holy fuck if they are slow, and mark my words this will be used as an excuse to invade Iran.

Whelp, the Iranian government will be the bane of Iran's existence. All I can do is watch from Sweden as America "liberates" my relatives over in Iran.

Is this a surprise to [I]anybody?[/I]

lmao @ anyone who thinks Iran is going to use a nuclear weapon.

[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;33186181]Well they will probably drop it on Israel[/QUOTE] As if Theocrats are gunna bomb the holy land.

What if they nuke themselves?

[QUOTE=The mouse;33187245]As if Theocrats are gunna bomb the holy land.[/QUOTE] Jerusalem, maybe. But Tel-Aviv is a big fat target.

[QUOTE=sYnced;33186905]TOTALLY doubt it. maybe we're minimizing but we have a shit ton. Iran isn't a nation of terrorists. It's a nation afraid of superpowers like the US and the only way to defend itself is to level the playing field. Where does the UN get off at denying Iran nuclear arseanols and then turning a blind eye on almost every other nation??[/QUOTE] by "leveling the playing field" It's only priming itself for an attack. Them building nukes to defend themselves against us is dumb, we would never use nuclear weapons on them, and the only reason we want to attack them is because they're making nukes, and people inside their governments support terrorist groups.

[QUOTE=sYnced;33186905]TOTALLY doubt it. maybe we're minimizing but we have a shit ton. Iran isn't a nation of terrorists. It's a nation afraid of superpowers like the US and the only way to defend itself is to level the playing field. Where does the UN get off at denying Iran nuclear arseanols and then turning a blind eye on almost every other nation??[/QUOTE] So it's afraid of superpowers and the solution is to attract the superpower's attention by making nukes? Yeah totally makes sense.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;33187291]Jerusalem, maybe. But Tel-Aviv is a big fat target.[/QUOTE] So is Tehran.

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33187280]What if they nuke themselves?[/QUOTE] Everybody in Iran shits themselves. How the fuck am I supposed to answer that?

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33187327]So is Tehran.[/QUOTE] Yeah, just fact is Israel wouldn't bomb Tehran unless the nuke factory was there.

As if anyone didn't see this coming after Russia came in to help, don't get me wrong I am all for helping another country get nuclear power but when they're as crazy as Iran; expect a nuclear warhead.

[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;33186181]Well they will probably drop it on Israel[/QUOTE]How about it wouldn't be dropped anywhere