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[quote]Pope Francis has issued his strongest condemnation yet of abortion, calling it a "horrific" symptom of a "throwaway culture" that placed too little value on human life.
He said it was was "frightful" to think about early pregnancy terminations.
Since his election in March, the pope has not spoken out against abortion as sternly as his predecessors.
He made the comments is his yearly "State of the World" address to diplomats accredited to the Vatican.
"It is horrific even to think that there are children, victims of abortion, who will never see the light of day," he said in part of the speech that addressed the rights of children around the world.
"Unfortunately, what is thrown away is not only food and dispensable objects, but often human beings themselves, who are discarded as unnecessary."[/quote]
He's still Catholic at the end of the day.
and so we return to the era of old Catholicism.
Pity. Early pregnancy terminations are not an issue, late term ones are (if they don't endanger the mother or child or both).
Batpope, why?
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While I'm pro-choice in the case of early pregnancy terminations, Attempting terminations in the late term are extremely dangerous to the health of the mother.
Just because it's not nice doesn't stop it being necessary in situations.
To be fair it is kind of sad that some people just are never even born because of abortions. Granted, there are other things that could prevent this and if the child is something that was never intended in the first place, the life it would live would be more terrifying than not being born, at least if one looks at the odds.
In a perfect world, however...
Not letting this affect me. He's still a fantastic pope.
I still like him
just because he has "One opinion I don't like" means nothing'
what the hell do you expect with the head of a religion after all. it would be pretty arrogant to actually let that get to you.
[QUOTE='[Green];43531061']To be fair it is kind of sad that some people just are never even born because of abortions. Granted, there are other things that could prevent this and if the child is something that was never intended in the first place, the life it would live would be more terrifying than not being born, at least if one looks at the odds.
In a perfect world, however...[/QUOTE]
every wasted opportunity to have sex is the prevention of a potential human being
it's not worth getting worked up about
What's the big deal? Seems like people are upset he didn't turn out to be an atheist Sagan worshiper. He even said before that the church needs to reevaluate abortion in terms of rape, health risks, etc.
I'm pro-choice, but I agree 100% with what he said. Yeah abortions should always be available to everyone, but that doesn't mean people should distance themselves from the consequences of their actions.
Don't get knocked up as a teen just because you can get an abortion later. Use a fucking condom. Applying throwaway culture in human lives is disgusting.
I disagree with him here. But looking at it from the perspective of the Catholic Church, his point makes more sense. This is coming from an organization that runs a large amount of orphanages and believes that every life is worth something. The main view on abortion from the Catholic Church doesn't really take into consideration times when abortion is a life saving measure.
An accidental child is never loved, cared or wanted by their own parents is even more horrifying.
I'm willing to bet that this is Francis trying to pacify the more severely conservatives in the Church. For the past like nine months he's been New Jesus Pope and even atheists have been like, I really like this guy, he's breaking so many of the old ways.
Trying to push that too hard without relenting gets you thrown out or assassinated. You've got to show that you're not totally insane sometime.
I thought you were cool bro :'(
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43531242]I'm willing to bet that this is Francis trying to pacify the more severely conservatives in the Church. For the past like nine months he's been New Jesus Pope and even atheists have been like, I really like this guy, he's breaking so many of the old ways.
Trying to push that too hard without relenting gets you thrown out or assassinated. You've got to show that you're not totally insane sometime.[/QUOTE]
do people actually hold this belief
the guy doesn't like abortion its as simple as that, he's not holding out because he thinks he's going to be the next JFK
All you tossers who suddenly 'hate' him because he is against abortions are just as stupid as the people who go out having sex purely because there's emergency pills and abortions available.
And you guys are surprised by this? He's still Catholic. You can be a cool guy and be against abortion at the same time.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;43531232]An accidental child is never loved, cared or wanted by their own parents is even more horrifying.[/QUOTE]
There's also a chance that the child could be adopted into a loving home and grow up to be a monumental benefit to society. The pros may outweigh the cons but they will never erase them. Pretending like nothing is given up just cause it's what you agree with is dangerous.
If my grandpa wasn't adopted I wouldn't be typing this right now. Guess that makes me a bit biased, but whatever.
[QUOTE=Aurastorm;43531257]do people actually hold this belief
the guy doesn't like abortion its as simple as that, he's not holding out because he thinks he's going to be the next JFK[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that Francis specifically reminding everyone that he's still all against abortion is a diplomatic move. Being against abortion is the belief expected from the Catholic Pope.
And what I meant is, Francis does not believe in abortion, because he's a Catholic. He's [B]in the news right now[/B] because he wants to reinforce that he's still staying at least somewhat in line.
[QUOTE=Jund;43531124]Don't get knocked up as a teen just because you can get an abortion later. Use a fucking condom. Applying throwaway culture in human lives is disgusting.[/QUOTE]
Isn't the Catholic Church officially against contraceptives as well? They just don't want you to fuck at all unless you're making babies.
[QUOTE=Jund;43531300]There's also a chance that the child could be adopted into a loving home and grow up to be a monumental benefit to society. The pros may outweigh the cons but they will never erase them. Pretending like nothing is given up just cause it's what you agree with is dangerous.
If my grandpa wasn't adopted I wouldn't be typing this right now. Guess that makes me a bit biased, but whatever.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;zk6gOeggViw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViw[/video]
I'm EXTREMELY pro-adoption though
I wouldn't even have a kid, just adopt instead.
Catholics won't get abortions. Everyone else can/will.
Oh shit, I think we just solved the problem!
I seriously don't understand the moral issue here. If the Pope, as the head of the Catholic church, doesn't want Catholics practicing abortion I can understand that. If you're Catholic and think women have a right to abortions, then leave Catholicism. If you're Catholic and you think that people that AREN'T Catholic shouldn't be getting abortions, [b]tough shit[/b].
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".
I've never heard of adoption working out very well.
Any kid that has actual problems ends up being bounced around foster homes and doesn't come out as a better person for it generally speaking.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43531323]I've never heard of adoption working out very well.[/QUOTE]
Either you're not paying attention or, more likely, they don't go around telling everyone they're adopted. I've known plenty of people in my life who have been adopted and stayed with the same family their whole life. The "problem child" thing usually comes when they're adopted as a kid, not as a baby.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43531333]Either you're not paying attention or, more likely, they don't go around telling everyone they're adopted. I've known plenty of people in my life who have been adopted and stayed with the same family their whole life. The "problem child" thing usually comes when they're adopted as a kid, not as a baby.[/QUOTE]
but i'm sure abortions play into the number of kids being put into adoption after their birth.
not all babies are adopted either
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43531333]Either you're not paying attention or, more likely, they don't go around telling everyone they're adopted. I've known plenty of people in my life who have been adopted and stayed with the same family their whole life. The "problem child" thing usually comes when they're adopted as a kid, not as a baby.[/QUOTE]
that or they were adopted by asshole parents
but that USUALLY isn't an issue.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43531323]I've never heard of adoption working out very well.
Any kid that has actual problems ends up being bounced around foster homes and doesn't come out as a better person for it generally speaking.[/QUOTE]
It's really hard to develop a general opinion of how well adoption (as a practice and as a system in the United States/around the world) works simply because each case is so unique in and of itself. If the child is an infant, there's a good chance that they'll imprint to their new parents. If the child is a toddler or above, there might be some developmental issues down the road. Mind you that's a very strong [b]if[/b] simply because, again, every case is so unique.
Source: My father contemplated adopting two orphaned Haitian toddlers after the earthquakes in 2010, and we delved extensively into the adoption process. Eventually we (read: he, we figured it out way before he did) realized that we couldn't do it financially, and he wasn't in good enough physical condition to be caring for toddlers.
[QUOTE=J!NX;43531317][video=youtube;zk6gOeggViw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViw[/video][/QUOTE]
Of course. That's why I'm pro-choice.
There's a difference between contradicting yourself and viewing an issue in its entirety, not just the points that are favorable to you.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43531338]but i'm sure abortions play into the number of kids being put into adoption after their birth.
not all babies are adopted either[/QUOTE]
It's probably just different environments. Being from a rural area, I'm not even aware if we had a large foster program. All the people I knew who were adopted were well-adjusted and loved their adopted parents as much as anyone else loves theirs.
[QUOTE=Jund;43531300]There's also a chance that the child could be adopted into a loving home and grow up to be a monumental benefit to society. The pros may outweigh the cons but they will never erase them. Pretending like nothing is given up just cause it's what you agree with is dangerous.
If my grandpa wasn't adopted I wouldn't be typing this right now. Guess that makes me a bit biased, but whatever.[/QUOTE]
There's that chance, and there's the chance they'll be taken by some old abusive couple (such as my neighbors) who adopt kids for the money and treat them like shit. Occasionally we've had to offer a bed to some of the kids because the fat bald dude looking after them is majorly pissed off.
Let kids be born when the parents are good and ready, so they can get off on the right foot.
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