• A damning verdict in an Italian court against America’s CIA
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[quote=The Economist]NOBODY knows how many people have fallen victim to CIA-organised “extraordinary renditions”—operations in which suspected terrorists are snatched and shipped to third countries for interrogations that often involve torture. In 2007 the CIA director, Michael Hayden, suggested the figure was around 50. But a European Parliament report the same year concluded that more than 1,000 flights had been run by the CIA through European Union airspace. What is certain is that only one extraordinary rendition has led to a trial. On November 4th that trial, in Milan, ended with the conviction of 22 alleged CIA officers and agents, an American air force colonel and two Italian agents, all for helping to kidnap an Egyptian cleric known as Abu Omar, who vanished from a Milan street in 2003. He was released four years later and claimed to have been tortured in Cairo, where he was hung up “like a slaughtered sheep” and given electric shocks. Jeff Castelli, identified by prosecutors as then head of the CIA in Italy, and two other Americans, were acquitted because they had diplomatic immunity. But the reputed former CIA head in Milan got an eight-year sentence. The other Americans were sentenced to five years each. All were convicted in their absence after successive Italian governments blocked efforts by prosecutors to extradite them. Abu Omar went missing during Silvio Berlusconi’s previous administration. For Italians, questions remain over the involvement of their government and their intelligence agencies. To find out, investigators employed wire taps and a controversial raid on premises used by an intelligence official in Rome. But the centre-left administration that ran Italy until Mr Berlusconi returned last year mounted a campaign to have the evidence declared secret. In March the constitutional court ruled it should be. As a result, the court decided it could neither convict nor acquit either the former head of military intelligence or his deputy. But by convicting two more junior officials, each given three-year jail terms, the judge made quite clear that he believed Italian agents had provided operational backup. The prosecutor, Armando Spataro, stumbled on the case only because he was investigating Abu Omar’s links with Islamist militants. He called the outcome “a clear message to all governments that, even in the fight against terrorism, you cannot forsake the basic rights of our democracies.” This warning will resonate far beyond Italy. There is persuasive evidence that several other European countries collaborated with the CIA. And, against all expectations, Barack Obama has yet to ban extraordinary rendition.[/quote] [url]http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14807038[/url] :patriot: The best part is that none of the CIA agents are likely to spend even a day in jail.
Damn verdict! [editline]02:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;18388714]The best part is that none of the CIA agents are likely to spend even a day in jail.[/QUOTE] Of course not. GOD BLESS AMERICA :patriot:
Finally someone's decided to look America in the face and say "Fuck you" and prosecute their best agents after crimes were commited.
God damn verdicts! :argh:
Breaking News: Italy upholds its own laws
ciao bitches!
CIA smooth getaway.
Lol holy shit I didn't know about this.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18388805]Finally someone's decided to look America in the face and say "Fuck you" and prosecute their best agents after crimes were commited.[/QUOTE] But those agents were just fighting for what they believe in? Who are you to judge? :downs:
Torture is not cool and rather unamerican.
[QUOTE=Luxo;18389263]Torture is not cool and rather unamerican.[/QUOTE] Then what do you call Disney Channel
[QUOTE=Luxo;18389263]Torture is not cool and rather unamerican.[/QUOTE] Do what is nessesary, not what makes people feel good about themselves.
[quote]NOBODY knows how many people have fallen victim to CIA-organised “extraordinary renditions”—operations in which suspected terrorists are snatched and shipped to third countries for interrogations that often involve torture.[/quote] reminded me of v for vendetta, thats scary
Goddamnit CIA.
[QUOTE=Jessesmith1;18389509]reminded me of v for vendetta, thats scary[/QUOTE] Yes, the secret prisons all around the world are probably the creepiest part of the CIA.
I love the CIA. [editline]03:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=lulzbocks;18389325]Do what is nessesary, not what makes people feel good about themselves.[/QUOTE] Although exporting torture to 3rd world countries is not exactly a good thing. The threat of brown-outs means there is a relatively unreliable stream of electricity.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;18389325]Do what is nessesary, not what makes people feel good about themselves.[/QUOTE] Then what separates us from the 'terrorists'? If we torture, how are we any better than those we claim to stand against? We are supposed to be the humane ones, the torch in the darkness. If we sink to that level, who will say where the line is?
Diplomatic immunity is the most stupid thing ever. "Hey I just killed one of your people, but you can't touch me because I'm a VIP :downs:"
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;18389325]Do what is nessesary, not what makes people feel good about themselves.[/QUOTE] But it wasn't necessary.
[QUOTE=Tigster;18389787]Then what separates us from the 'terrorists'? If we torture, how are we any better than those we claim to stand against? We are supposed to be the humane ones, the torch in the darkness. If we sink to that level, who will say where the line is?[/QUOTE] Very poetic... and right too!
[QUOTE=Tigster;18389787]Then what separates us from the 'terrorists'? If we torture, how are we any better than those we claim to stand against? We are supposed to be the humane ones, the torch in the darkness. If we sink to that level, who will say where the line is?[/QUOTE] No CIA, you are the terrorists! And then CIA as a bomber.
[QUOTE=Tigster;18389787]Then what separates us from the 'terrorists'? If we torture, how are we any better than those we claim to stand against? We are supposed to be the humane ones, the torch in the darkness. If we sink to that level, who will say where the line is?[/QUOTE] The CIA is a torch in the darkness. The torch is being held up to an Arab man's testicles though
[QUOTE=Zeke129;18389941]The CIA is a torch in the darkness. The torch is being held up to an Arab man's testicles though[/QUOTE] You fail morals forever.
I failed morals in grade 5. :/
[QUOTE=Reaver1991;18390067]I failed morals in grade 5. :/[/QUOTE] \What is this thing you speak of called 'Morals'?
[QUOTE=Silversoda;18390226]\What is this thing you speak of called 'Morals'?[/QUOTE] Yes, what are these "morals?"
DAMN lT!
All going according to plan. [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_on9BwIAr8zo/SqECq3fgwtI/AAAAAAAAAq8/fVG9L8PzvZw/s320/Makarov.JPG[/img]
God damn, this is the kind of shit that makes me believe the raving paranoids.
Note that they never describe said 'torture'.
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