• Huge anti-nuclear demonstration staged in Tokyo
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[quote] Tens of thousands of people took to the streets in Tokyo on Monday to demand a stop to nuclear power. It is the latest sign of a growing anti-nuclear sentiment among the Japanese population. Demonstrators made use of a national holiday to hold the protest, one of the biggest anti-nuclear rallies since a tsunami and earthquake triggered a nuclear disaster at Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant last year. Organizers said the number of participants was estimated to reach 170,000. Those taking part included Nobel-winning author Kenzaburo Oe and musician and composer Ryuichi Sakamoto. The rally in and around Yoyogi park came a week after a nuclear reactor at the Oi plant in western Japan resumed full operations last week, the first plant to restart since Japan shut down its atomic stations in the wake of the Fukushima disaster in March 2011. Protesters called for a complete end to nuclear power in Japan and demanded the resignation of Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda, who ordered the restart. In mid-June, Noda gave the green light for two reactors at the Oi plant to restart operations, citing the danger of possible power shortages this summer. The second reactor at Ohi is set to go online later this week. A parliamentary report deemed the accident at the Fukushima plant to have been man-made, blaming it on a lack of cooperation between the plant operator, government and regulators. It is considered the biggest nuclear disaster since Chernobyl in 1986. Before the disaster, Japan generated 30 percent of its energy from nuclear reactors. Opinion polls have shown that a large majority of Japanese now opposes nuclear power. [/quote] Source: [url]http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,16099656,00.html[/url] So apparently a massive tsunami is "man-made".
One little disaster and people go apeshit. If a fucking coal plant blew up a small town, they would be arms about that too.
I hate how that nuclear power plants can run smoothly for years and years, but the moment something goes wrong, and it's particularly annoying since this was the fault of the tsunami, everything gets put back twenty years.
Their anger is understandable but wholly misplaced.
[QUOTE=DireAvenger;36793186]One little disaster and people go apeshit.[/QUOTE] What an odd reaction to have.
Perhaps it would be smarter to rather focus on making the country more secure from, hmm, earthquakes and tsunamis?
[QUOTE=proch;36793399]Perhaps it would be smarter to rather focus on making the country more secure from, hmm, earthquakes and tsunamis?[/QUOTE] How exactly does one make an entire country less susceptible to earthquakes? I'm sure if there was a way then the Japanese would be leading the way in doing it. The fact is they can handle earthquakes and shit fairly well with their modern architecture, the only reason the Fukushima Incident even happened is cause the reactor was old as balls and needed to be shut down and replaced.
People don't even realise that nuclear energy is the most reliable and the cleanest out of the non-renewable resources. Idiots. This nuclear energy fear is gonna put a real ditch into funding of thorium plants and cold fusion. (For those that don't know, cold fusion is the fusion of a deuterium and a tritium atom, to make helium-4 and a neutron. This neutron then decays by beta-negative decay, which can be stopped by a lead wall and leaves no hazardous residue [infact, a hydrogen atom is most likely to form since you're left with a proton and an electron], and the antielectron neutrino decays into light.) SO GET ON COLD FUSION ALREADY.
Well the only reason most of the U.S isn't on nuclear power is the TMI incident, which is just as stupid and contrived. People need to get over their inherent fears of new energy sources, especially since we're running out of options with fossil fuels.
Let's run everything on wind and solar power, cause that's really gonna work right? Right?
[QUOTE=Spool;36793571]Let's run everything on wind and solar power, cause that's really gonna work right? Right?[/QUOTE] To be fair, there is tidal and hydroelectric dams as well but I can imagine tidal would only be a viable power source for some countries.
[QUOTE=Kendra;36793439]People don't even realise that nuclear energy is the most reliable and the cleanest out of the non-renewable resources. Idiots. This nuclear energy fear is gonna put a real ditch into funding of thorium plants and cold fusion. (For those that don't know, cold fusion is the fusion of a deuterium and a tritium atom, to make helium-4 and a neutron. This neutron then decays by beta-negative decay, which can be stopped by a lead wall and leaves no hazardous residue [infact, a hydrogen atom is most likely to form since you're left with a proton and an electron], and the antielectron neutrino decays into light.) SO GET ON COLD FUSION ALREADY.[/QUOTE] Nuclear Fusion is anything but cold.
I literally just wrote a college paper about nuclear power. Long story short, nuclear power has the least amount of deaths per kilowatt produced, puts the least amount of radiation into the atmosphere (barring incidents) and is one of the most powerful/efficient forms out there. Unfortunately, people are terribly informed and literally quivering in their boots because of a few accidents. I think it's incredible how well Fukishima was handled since they didn't even design the thing to take a tsunami to the face (though it should have been.)
look japanese guys if you really want to get to the root of the problem you gotta boycott all forms of energy, kinetic potential all that shit it all causes deaths, may as well boycott being alive too since that has the chance of creating disasters
really now Tokyo?? One of those cities that requires power plants to stay lit up and not suffer from blackouts?? stupid hippies go back to school and pay some attention at physics class
Nevermind the thousands that die in coal mines :downs:
[QUOTE=dass;36793719]Nevermind the thousands that die in coal mines :downs:[/QUOTE] Yeah and those that end up dying cause the coal dust and silt and shit settles in their lungs and starts turning to fucking cement.
[QUOTE=Kendra;36793439]People don't even realise that nuclear energy is the most reliable and the cleanest out of the non-renewable resources. Idiots. This nuclear energy fear is gonna put a real ditch into funding of thorium plants and cold fusion. (For those that don't know, cold fusion is the fusion of a deuterium and a tritium atom, to make helium-4 and a neutron. This neutron then decays by beta-negative decay, which can be stopped by a lead wall and leaves no hazardous residue [infact, a hydrogen atom is most likely to form since you're left with a proton and an electron], and the antielectron neutrino decays into light.) SO GET ON COLD FUSION ALREADY.[/QUOTE] Cold fusion is not feasible and is almost universally accepted to be dead.
[QUOTE=dass;36793719]Nevermind the thousands that die in coal mines :downs:[/QUOTE] Or the oil refinery in Japan that as soon as the earthquake hit burst into flames and started spewing toxic, carcinogenic fumes everywhere. Or oil spills, or coal mine fires, or.... The list goes on.
[QUOTE=dass;36793719]Nevermind the thousands that die in coal mines :downs:[/QUOTE] But all that could have been avoided using proper equipment an safety standards!! Really you need to start looking at things rationally!!
[QUOTE=Glorbo;36793599]Nuclear Fusion is anything but cold.[/QUOTE] But fusion that can be achieved at temperatures of just a few million kelvin is cold compared to what current prototype fusion reactors are running at.
[QUOTE=Kendra;36793439]People don't even realise that nuclear energy is the most reliable and the cleanest out of the non-renewable resources. Idiots. This nuclear energy fear is gonna put a real ditch into funding of thorium plants and cold fusion. (For those that don't know, cold fusion is the fusion of a deuterium and a tritium atom, to make helium-4 and a neutron. This neutron then decays by beta-negative decay, which can be stopped by a lead wall and leaves no hazardous residue [infact, a hydrogen atom is most likely to form since you're left with a proton and an electron], and the antielectron neutrino decays into light.) SO GET ON COLD FUSION ALREADY.[/QUOTE] I thought that cold fusion was mostly psuedo-science? (Or at least what I have heard of it.)
[QUOTE=King Tiger;36793740]Cold fusion is not feasible and is almost universally accepted to be dead.[/QUOTE] There's still isolated teams working on it but frankly we just need to get tokamaks working and we'll be singing.
I'm really surprised the Japanese population has such a strong anti-nuclear sentiment. I thought their education was of a very good standard and their culture readily embraced technology in all it's forms. I'd imagine the blame lies with sensationalist media, which is a worrying demonstration of it's influence.
[QUOTE=Reds;36793195]I hate how that nuclear power plants can run smoothly for years and years, but the moment something goes wrong, and it's particularly annoying since this was the fault of the tsunami, everything gets put back twenty years.[/QUOTE] It was partially the tsunami and partially human error because it didn't have all the property safety precautions.
While the alternative to nuclear power in Japan would almost certainly be a fossil fuel I disagree with the sentiment that the implementation of nuclear power would be a convenient solution to the worlds power woes. Frankly, nuclear power seems the self-masturbatory solution for the first world, totally ignoring the inevitable security, financial and infrastructure issues of the third world preventing any meaningful implementation world wide. If anyone actually gave a shit about nuclear power they'd focus on reducing the gap in wealth world wide.
Ho! Godzira curse us all by sending wave! No it was a tsunami. IMPOSSIBRU!
[QUOTE=Kendra;36793439]People don't even realise that nuclear energy is the most reliable and the cleanest out of the non-renewable resources. Idiots.[/QUOTE] Ever heard of nuclear waste? Wannna take a wild guess as to how much it costs to manage it? And by the way, the entire point of this is to ditch these non-renewable energies is favor of renewable ones. I don't give a fuck if it is the cleanest out of the old energies, it's irrelevant. [QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;36793565]Well the only reason most of the U.S isn't on nuclear power is the TMI incident, which is just as stupid and contrived. People need to get over their inherent fears of new energy sources, especially since we're running out of options with fossil fuels.[/QUOTE] Breaking news: Nuclear isn't a new energy source. Nuclear is a dirty-as-shit, non-renewable, old energy. Swapping out a non-renewable energy for another is just dick jerking that makes you feel really good. [QUOTE=Bobie;36793689]look japanese guys if you really want to get tor the root of the problem you gotta boycott all forms of energy, kinetic potential all that shitb it all causes deaths, may as well boycott being alive too since that has the chance of creating disasters[/QUOTE] Two words: Depleted Uranium. Ever heard of depleted uranium rounds? You know, the stuff we shoot up darkies with overseas that creates horrific birth defects all over the place? Bitch please. [QUOTE=QwertySecond;36793868]I'm really surprised the Japanese population has such a strong anti-nuclear sentiment. I thought their education was of a very good standard and their culture readily embraced technology in all it's forms. I'd imagine the blame lies with sensationalist media, which is a worrying demonstration of it's influence.[/QUOTE] Yeah I wonder why they'd have such a negative attitude towards nuclear - oh, maybe THAT might have given them a bad impression. Wait nope just all sensationalism bullshit rite. Not like there are actual reasons why the anti-nuclear people don't want to keep investing in nuclear power. Fuck you the lot of you with your condescending bullshit. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Orkel))[/highlight]
Nuclear waste isn't much of a problem, it's easy enough to store, it's just that it stays there for a few 10 thousand years.
[QUOTE=Florence;36794249]Two words: Depleted Uranium. Ever heard of depleted uranium rounds? You know, the stuff we shoot up darkies with overseas that creates horrific birth defects all over the place? Bitch please. [/QUOTE] Because Im sure we're using [I]armor piercing tank shells[/I] against all those insurgent tanks, right? [editline]16th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Florence;36794249]Ever heard of nuclear waste? Wannna take a wild guess as to how much it costs to manage it? And by the way, the entire point of this is to ditch these non-renewable energies is favor of renewable ones. I don't give a fuck if it is the cleanest out of the old energies, it's irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Renewables straight up dont work in some places of the world. Hydro doesnt work where there isnt large amounts of flowing water, wind and solar dont work in areas that are strapped for space or arent sunny or windy, and geothermal has its own laundry list of problems
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