Tesla to hire hackers at Def Con to ensure security of its cars
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[quote]Tesla Motors, for example, recently attended the Def Con security conference in Las Vegas in order to hire hackers to develop security systems for its current and future vehicles.
Paget told The Wall Street Journal that the electric car company intends to hire as many as 20 to 30 hackers from Def Con alone.
Beyond that, individuals exposing loopholes, security bugs or flaws in Tesla's electronic workings will receive a platinum-colored 'challenge coin' in recognition of their contribution to Tesla's security. They can even get a tour of Tesla's Fremont assembly plant.
Back in April, a Tesla owner managed to hack into the system of their Model S. Tesla caught the individual in the act, via the car's wireless system--and sent an email advising that any further actions would void the car's warranty.
Then, in July, a prize of $10,000 was put up for grabs at a Chinese hacking conference to anyone who could crack Tesla's code and operate major functions of the car.[/quote]
[url]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093809_tesla-hopes-to-hire-hackers-to-ensure-security-of-its-cars-present-and-future?km[/url]
How about a door. That locks. And the OBDII port is inside the locked door.
Congratulations, your car can't be hacked.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45703971]How about a door. That locks. And the OBDII port is inside the locked door.
Congratulations, your car can't be hacked.[/QUOTE]
might be interesting if they offered the option to potential buyers
but we [I]can[/I] improve the classic lock, so why the fuc not?
How about instead you don't tie important systems to all the extraneous bullshit that people keep demanding from their cars, hrm?
And this is why I want an older vehicle: you don't have to worry about its technology getting hacked.
[QUOTE=TestECull;45704018]How about instead you don't tie important systems to all the extraneous bullshit that people keep demanding from their cars, hrm?[/QUOTE]
i was literally just about to say you and used car salesman are literally the same person
thank you for your cameo
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;45704123]You should expect an full-electrical car to have advanced electrical components, shouldn't you[/QUOTE]
He doesn't trust a door that isn't directly connected to an internal combustion engine.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;45704025]And this is why I want an older vehicle: you don't have to worry about its technology getting hacked.[/QUOTE]
Only problem with older, entirely mechanical cars is that some of their hoods (Up until about 1970 from what I've seen) Can be opened without access to a latch inside of the car. So people could fuck up your engine rather easily if they wanted to.
If you ever get an older car, put in a latch under the dash or somewhere inside of the car that locks the hood from the inside.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;45704025]And this is why I want an older vehicle: you don't have to worry about its technology getting hacked.[/QUOTE]
With older cars someone could come along and steal it a lot easier than with a newer car. That's basically just really crude hacking.
[editline]15th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=TestECull;45704018]How about instead you don't tie important systems to all the extraneous bullshit that people keep demanding from their cars, hrm?[/QUOTE]
It's not tied in the way you think it is. There are reports on the internet of both displays in the car crashing entirely and rebooting while someone was driving, and the car continued operating normally throughout. (Aside from some wonkiness in reporting battery levels and whatnot until the next charge)
It's not like someone is going to be able to access the accelerator controls by plugging in a USB drive with a corrupted MP3 file or something. Likely the worst someone could do wirelessly is screw with your sunroof, or intercept diagnostic logs, and if someone has physical access to your car while you're driving it they can do a hell of a lot worse than hack the car.
electric throttles worry me I prefer old fashioned physical linkages.
Same thing with aircraft but thats [I]entirely[/I] off topic
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45704869][img]http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/488773/488773,1260176924,2/stock-photo-computer-hacker-42428629.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/64260/154463477/stock-photo-transportation-and-vehicle-concept-man-using-laptop-computer-in-car-154463477.jpg[/IMG]
WE MUST GO FURTHER
[QUOTE=Nak;45705226][t]http://yoursecurityadvisor.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/camaro_hacker2.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]Gone in 64 bits
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45704637]It's not tied in the way you think it is. There are reports on the internet of both displays in the car crashing entirely and rebooting while someone was driving, and the car continued operating normally throughout. (Aside from some wonkiness in reporting battery levels and whatnot until the next charge)
It's not like someone is going to be able to access the accelerator controls by plugging in a USB drive with a corrupted MP3 file or something. Likely the worst someone could do wirelessly is screw with your sunroof, or intercept diagnostic logs, and if someone has physical access to your car while you're driving it they can do a hell of a lot worse than hack the car.[/QUOTE]
Yep
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yITnSf0moQ[/media]
The center console and instrument cluster are actually two separate computers, each with a nvidia tegra cpu running a custom version of ubuntu. Cool stuff.
[QUOTE=paindoc;45704781]electric throttles worry me I prefer old fashioned physical linkages.
Same thing with aircraft but thats [I]entirely[/I] off topic[/QUOTE]
Steering and Brakes still have physical linkages, you'll still be able to control the car if it somehow completely dies on you. If the throttle becomes stuck, the usual depress brake+throttle will kill throttle.
[QUOTE=Nak;45705226][t]http://yoursecurityadvisor.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/camaro_hacker2.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Now its only missing the watermark
[QUOTE=winsanity;45705561]Yep
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yITnSf0moQ[/media]
The center console and instrument cluster are actually two separate computers, each with a nvidia tegra cpu running a custom version of ubuntu. Cool stuff.[/QUOTE]
if that's true then that's really dumb
a console displaying vital information shouldn't be running fucking ubuntu
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;45705588]if that's true then that's really dumb
a console displaying vital information shouldn't be running fucking ubuntu[/QUOTE]
What would you have it run?
Er, I meant the instruments, not the bigass tablet.
The tablet can run whatever, it doesn't do anything important for safe driving as far as I know, but the dashboard should really be running a minimal RTOS or something similar. Like what other cars do.
Or even just have some simple analogue instruments.
Big desktop operating systems just have a tendency of crashing that these minimal custom ones don't.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;45705588]if that's true then that's really dumb
a console displaying vital information shouldn't be running fucking ubuntu[/QUOTE]
Did you miss out the part where it said "custom" ?
[QUOTE=PirateMax;45705675]Did you miss out the part where it said "custom" ?[/QUOTE]
Did you miss out the part where he said RTOS, you know, like every other car on the market. The fact that this happened already proves his point
Should have gone with Arch Linux.
Without knowing what they changed, it's meaningless to say they shouldn't be using "X".
[editline]16th August 2014[/editline]
Though they really shouldn't be using X.
where "effortlessly" means getting a different port for the Ethernet connector (since it's not an RJ-45) and receiving an e-mail from Tesla about suspicious activity with his vehicle.
[url]http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/tesla-model-s-ethernet-network-explored-possible-jailbreak-in-the-future[/url]
Admin of the site I mod is at went to def con, if he goes to work at tesla and doesn't come back to the site I'm gonna be pissed
People who're scared of "hackers" trying to kill them or something for some undefined reason by messing with electronics in their car are pretty amusing.
[QUOTE=Rents;45707381]People who're scared of "hackers" trying to kill them or something for some undefined reason by messing with electronics in their car are pretty amusing.[/QUOTE]
It's not an amusing matter. You're sitting in a missile that has internet access. If someone has access to mess with it, it can be fatal. Tesla themselves have access to the vehicle remotely (probably not enough access to move it) but anything that you sit in that has internet access should be as secure as possible. I don't see why it's amusing.
[QUOTE=winsanity;45705615]What would you have it run?[/QUOTE]
gentoo
[QUOTE=winsanity;45705561]Yep
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yITnSf0moQ[/media]
The center console and instrument cluster are actually two separate computers, each with a nvidia tegra cpu running a custom version of ubuntu. Cool stuff.
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It's neat how the windshield wipers didn't even stop through the reboot. Guess you wouldn't want those dying in a rainstorm.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45710433]It's neat how the windshield wipers didn't even stop through the reboot. Guess you wouldn't want those dying in a rainstorm.[/QUOTE]
I imagine its simply a user interface. It sends and receive information to the appropriate components. But it doesn't directly control anything but the display. The wipers may not even be connected to the computer, but if they are, the module hadn't been instructed to turn off, and will continue until the computer signals for them to turn off.
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