Thunderbird “a tax” on Firefox development, and Mozilla wants to drop it - Polidicks

Source: [url]http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/thunderbird-a-tax-on-firefox-development-and-mozilla-wants-to-drop-it/[/url] [Quote]You might know Mozilla primarily for its Firefox browser, but for many years the company has also developed an e-mail client called Thunderbird. The two projects use the same rendering engine and other underlying technology, but Mozilla Executive Chairwoman Mitchell Baker has announced that Mozilla would like to stop supporting Thunderbird, calling its continuing maintenance "a tax" on the more important work of developing Firefox. "Many inside of Mozilla, including an overwhelming majority of our leadership, feel the need to be laser-focused on activities like Firefox that can have an industry-wide impact," Baker writes. "With all due respect to Thunderbird and the Thunderbird community, we have been clear for years that we do not view Thunderbird as having this sort of potential." Mozilla doesn't plan to drop Thunderbird immediately, however—the current maintenance schedule will continue, and Thunderbird users can continue to use the product. But the end goal for Mozilla, according to Baker, is to find "the right kind of legal and financial home" for the Thunderbird project, and "[separate] itself from reliance on Mozilla development systems and in some cases, Mozilla technology." In other words, the company would like to give Thunderbird to people who will take care of it, freeing the Firefox team from having to worry about it.[/quote]

Running out of free options for email clients.

Feels to me like the only desktop email client outside of outlook is thunderbird, been using it for 7 years

Mozilla should also give away Firefox too before they fuck it up even more in my opinion

Yeah for fucks sake Mozilla, stop trying to make Firefox like Google Chrome. That's why we, the current people that friggin use it, because it isn't Google Chrome. If you continue on this path all you're going to do is drive the people you have using it away...

[QUOTE=Giraffen93;49227293]Feels to me like the only desktop email client outside of outlook is thunderbird, been using it for 7 years[/QUOTE] Probably the best email client that exists is "The Bat!" depending on your needs. It has hands-down the most customizable interface, most in-depth filtering rules and is extremely reliable. Things it doesn't have: Calendar shit. PS: If anyone uses the Apple Mail app then they're an idiot. It is literally the worst email client on earth.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49227826]Can you ELI5 to a chrome user how is firefox ruined? Im just curious, is all.[/QUOTE] Having to play catch-up to get people to use it because nowadays the only people still using Firefox are paranoid ninnies, old folks, those who probably grew up with Netscape, and people who care about having a browser that's actually different from the rest. Similar reason why Opera sucked once it adopted Blink. Kind of a shame, really.

[QUOTE=TheJoker;49227282]Running out of free options for email clients.[/QUOTE] The Bat! ?

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49227854]How was it better before? Sorry, i dont know much about browsers, just using chrome since "it just works" and, well, habit. All my bookmarks and tabs and stuff.[/QUOTE] The "better before" aspect could be more attributed to the face people weren't making 1MB+ web pages with pages of JavaScript trying to make the world wide web rival a traditional desktop. Some people say it's the tacking on of needless features like [URL=https://getpocket.com/]implementing Pocket[/URL] ([URL=https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215694#c4]which was temporary for preparing for their add-on system[/URL]), the "Australis" style to emulate Chrome's interface (tabs on the top, address bar on the bottom, "hamburger menu" on the side), and especially implementing [URL=http://www.pcworld.com/article/2922116/firefox-38-arrives-with-contentious-closed-source-drm-integrated-by-default.html]DRM[/URL] (Windows-only as far as I can find). Here's to hoping more alternatives show up that aren't just Chrome or Safari clones.

[QUOTE=Stonecycle;49227921]and especially implementing [URL=http://www.pcworld.com/article/2922116/firefox-38-arrives-with-contentious-closed-source-drm-integrated-by-default.html]DRM[/URL] (Windows-only as far as I can find).[/QUOTE] you can't really argue that silverlight on netflix is better though

[QUOTE=Stonecycle;49227921] and especially implementing [URL=http://www.pcworld.com/article/2922116/firefox-38-arrives-with-contentious-closed-source-drm-integrated-by-default.html]DRM[/URL] (Windows-only as far as I can find).[/QUOTE] I can't believe you actually said this as a complaint lol they're using ADOBES cdm. If you bothered reading the article you posted you'd know how much of a non issue this is and how its been spun out of proportion.

I [I]just[/I] got a new professional email set up on Thunderbird and all my related scheduling/calendar stuff. Go figure. :v:

Thunderbird is amazing. It's the only mail client I know that supports signing and encrypting emails.

Mozilla is dead or dying for me. As soon edge get extension support I'll jump ship.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49227894]The Bat! ?[/QUOTE] Wikipedia says it's shareware and on the website it says a 30 day trial.

The client is open source so I don't think it will go away anytime soon and there will be plenty of people who are willing to maintain it.

[QUOTE=jordguitar;49228556]The client is open source so I don't think it will go away anytime soon and there will be plenty of people who are willing to maintain it.[/QUOTE] There's already icedove maintained by debian.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49227318]Yeah for fucks sake Mozilla, stop trying to make Firefox like Google Chrome. That's why we, the current people that friggin use it, because it isn't Google Chrome. If you continue on this path all you're going to do is drive the people you have using it away...[/QUOTE] I don't think there's many other choices.

Anyone looking for a good desktop mail client should try out [url=https://nylas.com/N1]N1[/url]. Open source desktop mail client built on a modern technology stack. It's already much better than Thunderbird, in my opinion. [url=https://nylas.com/N1][t]https://camo.githubusercontent.com/82206b31adcaf2f3b620d2dccd4330e50df582f4/687474703a2f2f6e796c61732e636f6d2f4e312f696d616765732f312d312d696e697469616c2d6f75746c6f6f6b2d626173652e706e67[/t][/url]

My mom uses Thunderbird :v: Actual question though, what's the point of desktop email? Not judging, I'm genuinely curious. I've just used gmail for everything as long as I can remember.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;49229333]My mom uses Thunderbird :v: Actual question though, what's the point of desktop email? Not judging, I'm genuinely curious. I've just used gmail for everything as long as I can remember.[/QUOTE] It's really nice when you have a lot of emails and just generally quicker to use once it's setup.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;49229333]My mom uses Thunderbird :v: Actual question though, what's the point of desktop email? Not judging, I'm genuinely curious. I've just used gmail for everything as long as I can remember.[/QUOTE] It can be generally faster than logging into a webmail client. Desktop notifications used to be another big reason but modern browsers can handle that now too. If set up correctly, it can be much more secure. You tend to have a greater degree of flexibility filtering wise too.

You dont need to fuck around with forwarding email to a different address which is just ass.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;49229333]My mom uses Thunderbird :v: Actual question though, what's the point of desktop email? Not judging, I'm genuinely curious. I've just used gmail for everything as long as I can remember.[/QUOTE] While I don't download the application for everything, having an application that is native feels like it runs faster, is better integrated into the design of your computer (i.e. mailto links), gives notifications, comes with more configuration options, etc. If it's in your browser... it's in your browser. And having your mail open in your browser all the time can be annoying - things that I usually leave open for very long I want an app for. Unfortuntely, Google Music, Soundcloud, and Facebook have no programs. (I don't count Facebook Messenger as a viable program in 2015 - it's not updated.)

[QUOTE=Looter;49229322]Anyone looking for a good desktop mail client should try out [url=https://nylas.com/N1]N1[/url]. Open source desktop mail client built on a modern technology stack. It's already much better than Thunderbird, in my opinion. [url=https://nylas.com/N1][t]https://camo.githubusercontent.com/82206b31adcaf2f3b620d2dccd4330e50df582f4/687474703a2f2f6e796c61732e636f6d2f4e312f696d616765732f312d312d696e697469616c2d6f75746c6f6f6b2d626173652e706e67[/t][/url][/QUOTE] If I'm understanding this right as I can't even load the page you linked via home connection and vpn.. you have to sign up to be put on a waiting list to download it. You also have to have something else running in the background to use it.

I believe its written in nodejs/webkit Thats not modern, thats a disaster. Can we stop getting desktop apps disguised as web apps please world thank you i don't want small apps to be 60mb and massive resource hogs.

It is open source [url]https://github.com/nylas/N1[/url] Edit Finally got to download it and I don't really like it a whole lot.

[quote]N1 needs to fetch mail from a running instance of the Nylas Sync Engine. The Sync Engine is what abstracts away IMAP, POP, and SMTP to serve your email on any provider through a modern, RESTful API. By default the N1 source points to our hosted version of the sync-engine; however, the Sync Engine is open source and you can run it yourself.[/quote] now this i don't like one bit

More shit you have to install for it to even work. Why can't apps now a days just put everything in one package

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49229648]I believe its written in nodejs/webkit Thats not modern, thats a disaster. Can we stop getting desktop apps disguised as web apps please world thank you i don't want small apps to be 60mb and massive resource hogs.[/QUOTE] Discord is Javascript, yet is smooth as butter. [editline]2nd December 2015[/editline] I am hopeful that the killing of Thunderbird will shift interest to another, better client. Thunderbird sucks ass but there's not much else.