[Quote]Anti-terror police are searching for a Ministry of Defence shipment of munitions stolen from a goods train in Warrington.
Sky sources understand they are powerful anti-tank mines.
Ten packages, each containing four separate plastic cases, were taken from the train as it travelled between Cumbria and Oxfordshire.
They were reported missing to British Transport Police at around 7.30am on Thursday when the train arrived at Didcot, Oxfordshire.
Seven of the packages were later discovered near a railway line in the Folley Lane area of Warrington, Cheshire.
The remaining three, which were made up of a total of 12 plastic cases, are still missing.
The munitions were on the train when it left Longtown in Cumbria at 11.30am on Wednesday.
Police understand the munitions were taken off the train while it was temporarily stationary in Warrington, and seven of the packages were discarded nearby.
They are described as being rectangular plastic tubes, approximately 4ft (1.2 metres) in length.
The North West Counter Terrorism Unit (NWCTU) is leading a joint investigation, which includes the Metropolitan Police, British Transport Police and MoD.
Assistant Chief Constable Terry Sweeney, from NWCTU, said: "A number of enquiries are now being made by police officers into this theft, and our main priority is to safely recover the missing items.
"At this stage there is nothing to suggest the theft is terrorist-related, but due to the potential complexity of the investigation, our enquiries are being led by counter-terrorism officers.
"We would like to appeal to any members of the public who may know the whereabouts of these items, or any persons involved in the theft of these items to contact the police immediately.
"I want to make it clear that, in their normal condition, these munitions are stable and do not pose a risk to the public.
"However, the materials could be hazardous if they were to be tampered with and we therefore ask that anyone who sees them or knows where they are to call the police as soon as possible."
Anyone with information is asked to call police on 0161 856 1027 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.[/Quote]
[url]http://news.sky.com/story/1003564/anti-tank-mines-stolen-from-freight-train[/url]
Where were they taking these? What do we need anti tank mines for? Taliban and Al Queda don't even have tanks. Interesting story none the less.
Aren't using mines a Warcrime?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Campaign_to_Ban_Landmines[/url]
[QUOTE=The mouse;38208037]Aren't using mines a Warcrime?[/QUOTE]
What the fuck? No.
[QUOTE=The mouse;38208037]Aren't using mines a Warcrime?[/QUOTE]
Not when you're either a superpower or an ally of a superpower.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;38208051]Not when you're either a superpower or an ally of a superpower.[/QUOTE]
They're not warcrimes period, every army needs mines for territory denial and ambushes.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;38208010][URL]http://news.sky.com/story/1003564/anti-tank-mines-stolen-from-freight-train[/URL]
Where were they taking these, what do we need anti tank mines for? Taliban and Al Queda don't even have tanks. Interesting story none the less.[/QUOTE]
Just so you know, try copy and pasting the whole story into quote tags. People don't really like clicking on links.
And also, militaries don't just produce weapons to counter the current foe. They produce them to fight any potential foe.
[QUOTE=The mouse;38208037]Aren't using mines a Warcrime?[/QUOTE]
I mistily remember today landmines should have timed self-defusing properties, but I don't know how much is that obligatory.
[QUOTE=tyanet;38208065]Just so you know, try copy and pasting the whole story into quote tags. People don't really like clicking on links.
And also, militaries don't just produce weapons to counter the current foe. They produce them to fight any potential foe.[/QUOTE]
Done, don't normally make threads here, just reply.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38208058]They're not warcrimes period, every army needs mines for territory denial and ambushes.[/QUOTE]
AFAIK; Anti-personnel mines were banned, but anti-tank mines are good.
[QUOTE=tyanet;38208082]AFAIK; Anti-personnel mines were banned, but anti-tank mines are good.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this, anti tank mines are generally used in conventional warfare so it's all good.
[QUOTE=The mouse;38208037]Aren't using mines a Warcrime?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Campaign_to_Ban_Landmines[/url][/QUOTE]
It says anti-personnel mines in the first sentence of that article
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Heheh look at this
Every civilised country in the world has signed up to the anti-personnel landmine ban
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Ottawa_Treaty_members.svg/2000px-Ottawa_Treaty_members.svg.png[/t]
[QUOTE=smurfy;38208112]It says anti-personnel mines in the first sentence of that article
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Heheh look at this
Every civilised country in the world has signed up to the anti-personnel landmine ban
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Ottawa_Treaty_members.svg/2000px-Ottawa_Treaty_members.svg.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Basically all the world powers that actually matter don't give a shit.
[QUOTE=smurfy;38208112]
Every civilised country in the world has signed up to the anti-personnel landmine ban
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Ottawa_Treaty_members.svg/2000px-Ottawa_Treaty_members.svg.png[/t][/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;vmBw0B_KboA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmBw0B_KboA[/video]
[QUOTE=The mouse;38208037]Aren't using mines a Warcrime?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Campaign_to_Ban_Landmines[/url][/QUOTE]
Your Wiki:
[QUOTE]working for a world free of anti-personnel mines and cluster munitions[/QUOTE]
The article:
[QUOTE]Sky sources understand they are powerful anti-tank mines.[/QUOTE]
Understandable mistake.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;38208010][URL]http://news.sky.com/story/1003564/anti-tank-mines-stolen-from-freight-train[/URL]
Where were they taking these? What do we need anti tank mines for? Taliban and Al Queda don't even have tanks. Interesting story none the less.[/QUOTE]
it's possible that they were in surplus from years ago, cold war maybe? transportation doesn't mean they were manufactured yesterday.
the homemade bombs are just as bad.
[QUOTE=Zarjk;38208425]the homemade bombs are just as bad.[/QUOTE]
Bombs made in labs are unable to best bombs made in garages? Sounds legit. Maybe the MOD should hire al queda to make munitions for them in that case :)
[QUOTE=Zarjk;38208425]the homemade bombs are just as bad.[/QUOTE]
Confirming that a home-made explosive can take out a tank.
wait
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;38209073]Confirming that a home-made explosive can take out a tank.
wait[/QUOTE]
Did the " job " go alright? Send me the " package " and we can start our " plans " asap man.
didnt mean in tanks, meant vehicles like troop transports.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;38208545]Bombs made in labs are unable to best bombs made in garages? Sounds legit. Maybe the MOD should hire al queda to make munitions for them in that case :)[/QUOTE]
An IED uses propelled super-heated copper to burn everything inside a vehicle alive, professionally made AT/V mines use a variant of this to ensure a mobility/crew kill.
So yeah, they are the same shit, just one looks nicer.
[QUOTE=Mike42012;38209601]An IED uses propelled super-heated copper to burn everything inside a vehicle alive, professionally made AT/V mines use a variant of this to ensure a mobility/crew kill.
So yeah, they are the same shit, just one looks nicer.[/QUOTE]
An IED is any type of improvised explosive device. You're thinking of explosively formed penetrators (EFPs).
[QUOTE=Mike42012;38209601]An IED uses propelled super-heated copper to burn everything inside a vehicle alive, professionally made AT/V mines use a variant of this to ensure a mobility/crew kill.
So yeah, they are the same shit, just one looks nicer.[/QUOTE]Incorrect, most anti-armor IEDs use explosively formed penetrators, which is just a metal plate (usually copper) deformed into a hollow slug that tears through even anti-mine armor.
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[QUOTE=Apache249;38209711]An IED is any type of improvised explosive device. You're thinking of explosively formed penetrators (EFPs).[/QUOTE]
Goddamn it.
All I know is ... Probably not safe to take the bus, train or underground at the mo ;)
That's going to liven up the daily commute into Warrington...probably the most exciting it's ever been!
[QUOTE=entertainer89;38212406]All I know is ... Probably not safe to take the bus, train or underground at the mo ;)[/QUOTE]
already ordered my infowars water filters
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Mines aren't warcrimes. Hell, there is a minefield about 400 meters from me right now. At KAF, they have a minefield in the middle of the base.
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[QUOTE=scout1;38212538]Hello I don't know anything
The munroe effect (shaped charges) works on contact and slight standoff depending on the makeup of the warhead. The big explosives used in IEDs are simply that - High explosive. It does not work via "super-heated" copper. Temperature barely passes a few hundred F, not enough to melt armor. Its ability to punch through armor is due to the incredible [i]pressure[/i]. Spalling and fragmentation produces casualties inside the vehicle.
And even among modern AT mines, shaped charge effects are a specialty.[/QUOTE]
He got EFP IEDs mixed up with regular ones, chill man. He is pretty correct in his description though, EFPs will fuck you up.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38212576] At KAF, they have a minefield in the middle of the base.[/QUOTE]
Keeps troops on their wits.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;38208010]
Where were they taking these? What do we need anti tank mines for? Taliban and Al Queda don't even have tanks. Interesting story none the less.[/QUOTE]
Because the British army / MoD aren't dumb they don't narrowly focus on one single conflict. They rolled up into Iraq and had to deal with tanks, whats to say in the next few years they roll into another country with tanks?
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