• Up to 13,000 were hanged at Syria prison- Amnesty Report
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[IMG]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14D02/production/_94005258_230241_sadnaya_-_syria_detentions__279.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]As many as 13,000 people, most of them civilian opposition supporters, have been executed in secret at a prison in Syria, Amnesty International says. A new report by the human rights group alleges that mass hangings took place every week at Saydnaya prison between September 2011 and December 2015. Amnesty says the alleged executions were authorised at the highest levels of the Syrian government. The government has previously denied killing or mistreating detainees. However, UN human rights experts said a year ago that witness accounts and documentary evidence strongly suggested that tens of thousands of people were being detained and that "deaths on a massive scale" were occurring in custody. Amnesty interviewed 84 people, including former guards, detainees and prison officials for its report. It alleges that every week, and often twice a week, groups of between 20 and 50 people were executed in total secrecy at the facility, just north of Damascus. Before their execution, detainees were brought before a "military field court" in the capital's Qaboun district for "trials" lasting between one and three minutes, the report says. A former military court judge quoted by Amnesty said detainees would be asked if they had committed crimes alleged to have taken place. "Whether the answer is 'yes' or 'no', he will be convicted... This court has no relation with the rule of law," he said. According to the report, detainees were told on the day of the hangings that they would be transferred to a civilian prison then taken to a basement cell and beaten over the course of two or three hours.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38885901"]BBC[/URL]
And people think supporting Assad is still a good idea
Hah, go figure. A country ruled by a ruthless shitlord dictator who cares more about holding power than anything else sanctions mass killings of dissenters. List of people surprised by this:
[QUOTE=Tasm;51787277]And people think supporting Assad is still a good idea[/QUOTE] And who do you think we should support, smart guy? Geopolitics isn't always good vs bad, sometimes you have to settle for the bad that will do the least damage.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51787286]And who do you think we should support, smart guy? Geopolitics isn't always good vs bad, sometimes you have to settle for the bad that will do the least damage.[/QUOTE] Least damage is definitely not Assad. Not once did I mention good vs bad, so keep your fiction to yourself.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51787286]And who do you think we should support, smart guy? Geopolitics isn't always good vs bad, sometimes you have to settle for the bad that will do the least damage.[/QUOTE] I'm really not convinced that Assad is the "least bad option." The retribution from a total regime victory would be absolutely massive, and they have access to far more information about who's who in the civilian populace as well as a security organ well prepared to carry it out. Compare it to another possible scenario where Sunni islamists rule large portions of the country. They won't be able to conquer the Alawite areas and enact genocide as some speculate they would do. It would still be bad. But if we're talking least bad/least damage the confidence you have in the Assad regime is likely misplaced.
"A new report by the human rights group alleges that mass hangings took place every week at Saydnaya prison between September 2011 and December 2015." Here let me fix that for you BBC "A new report by the terrorist groups alleges that mass hangings took place every week at Saydnaya prison between September 2011 and December 2015." Sorry to break it you people but these so called human rights groups with no names aren't enough proof for me to believe my government is doing such a thing. EVEN if there was such thing happening, it's happening on ISIS, Al--Nusra and other terrorist groups, which they deserve. And these so called "rebels" are all terrorists they aren't even Syrian by blood or papers, they shouldn't have been in Syria in the first place. [editline]6th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tasm;51787277]And people think supporting Assad is still a good idea[/QUOTE] Coming from the one that supports the killings of millions of people, I love how you don't even know about Syria until the terrorist war started and now you suddenly think you know better then the Syrian people
Even if hate ISIS, you don't have to support Assad. He's still piece of shit and has been since the war started. The person who started this and has shown no lessening of the punishments against his people is not someone you should support.
[QUOTE=vrej;51787431]"A new report by the human rights group alleges that mass hangings took place every week at Saydnaya prison between September 2011 and December 2015." Here let me fix that for you BBC "A new report by the terrorist groups alleges that mass hangings took place every week at Saydnaya prison between September 2011 and December 2015." Sorry to break it you people but these so called human rights groups with no names aren't enough proof for me to believe my government is doing such a thing. EVEN if there was such thing happening, it's happening on ISIS, Al--Nusra and other terrorist groups, which they deserve. And these so called "rebels" are all terrorists they aren't even Syrian by blood or papers, they shouldn't have been in Syria in the first place. [editline]6th February 2017[/editline] Coming from the one that supports the killings of millions of people, I love how you don't even know about Syria until the terrorist war started and now you suddenly think you know better then the Syrian people[/QUOTE] You don't trust Amnesty International?
[QUOTE=vrej;51787431]"A new report by the human rights group alleges that mass hangings took place every week at Saydnaya prison between September 2011 and December 2015." Here let me fix that for you BBC "A new report by the terrorist groups alleges that mass hangings took place every week at Saydnaya prison between September 2011 and December 2015." Sorry to break it you people but these so called human rights groups with no names aren't enough proof for me to believe my government is doing such a thing. EVEN if there was such thing happening, it's happening on ISIS, Al--Nusra and other terrorist groups, which they deserve. And these so called "rebels" are all terrorists they aren't even Syrian by blood or papers, they shouldn't have been in Syria in the first place. [editline]6th February 2017[/editline] Coming from the one that supports the killings of millions of people, I love how you don't even know about Syria until the terrorist war started and now you suddenly think you know better then the Syrian people[/QUOTE] So you're completely willing to brush off the execution of 13,000 people, because you don't trust Amnesty international even though time and time again Assad's Regime has shown it has little to no regard for human life.
[QUOTE=Tasm;51787277]And people think supporting Assad is still a good idea[/QUOTE] Well we're not going to actually oust him unless there's boots on the ground, and then there's the whole thing with Russia... So at this point it's kind of the lesser of two very evil evils.
[QUOTE=Tasm;51787323]Least damage is definitely not Assad.[/QUOTE] Assad's government already has a foundation, from there everything else can be restored. If you let any old radical Islamist fuckhead take over, there will be no foundation and no stability. There will be a drawn out power struggle, and we'd see a civil war would have no end in sight, possibly with actual genocide on the side.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51787668]Assad's government already has a foundation, from there everything else can be restored. If you let any old radical Islamist fuckhead take over, there will be no foundation and no stability. There will be a drawn out power struggle, and we'd see a civil war would have no end in sight, possibly with actual genocide on the side.[/QUOTE] Regardless of who "wins" the civil war we're going to have a Syria 2: Electric Boogaloo. If the rebels win their loose alliance against Assad is going to crumble and they're all going to turn on each other to try and implement their idea of whats right. If Assad wins there is going to be a massive crackdown on the population that's left and you can bet we're going to hear of mass executions of people who in any way might be related, related to, sympathized, or related to someone who sympathized with the rebels. The only thing that's going to follow this conflict is a lot more blood.
[QUOTE=Senscith;51787710]Regardless of who "wins" the civil war we're going to have a Syria 2: Electric Boogaloo. If the rebels win their loose alliance against Assad is going to crumble and they're all going to turn on each other to try and implement their idea of whats right. If Assad wins there is going to be a massive crackdown on the population that's left and you can bet we're going to hear of mass executions of people who in any way might be related, related to, sympathized, or related to someone who sympathized with the rebels. The only thing that's going to follow this conflict is a lot more blood.[/QUOTE] Again what "rebels" are you talking about? This is not a civil war! This is war on terror! Syria is being attacked by foreigners not by its own people, why is it so hard for you people to understand that we Syrians don't kill each other?!
[QUOTE=vrej;51787718]Again what "rebels" are you talking about? This is not a civil war! This is war on terror! Syria is being attacked by foreigners not by its own people, why is it so hard for you people to understand that we Syrians don't kill each other?![/QUOTE] So Assad hasn't killed a single syrian
[QUOTE=vrej;51787718]Again what "rebels" are you talking about? This is not a civil war! This is war on terror! Syria is being attacked by foreigners not by its own people, why is it so hard for you people to understand that we Syrians don't kill each other?![/QUOTE] so your saying that not a single group active in syria is led by syrians other then the government?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51787733]So Assad hasn't killed a single syrian[/QUOTE] I am not saying that, those terrorists went into peoples homes, of course the army has made accident fires sometimes, it's expected with hundreds of thousands of foreign terrorists hiding in a densely populated cities.
[QUOTE=vrej;51787759]I am not saying that, those terrorists went into peoples homes, of course the army has made accident fires sometimes, it's expected with hundreds of thousands of foreign terrorists hiding in a densely populated cities.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that all Syrian deaths caused by the government are accidental, and that there is not a single nongovernmental millitant group in Syria led by Syrians. Citation needed.
[QUOTE=vrej;51787718]Again what "rebels" are you talking about? This is not a civil war! This is war on terror! Syria is being attacked by foreigners not by its own people, why is it so hard for you people to understand that we Syrians don't kill each other?![/QUOTE] People who within a counry take up arms against the government are known as rebels. A war on terror can also be a civil war. See Turkey, Colombia. I'm sure no Syrians have killed each other in this conflict, that would be very unlikely, right? How can you even believe that yourself. At the very least, some Syrians must sympathize with the terrorists. That's just pure likelihood.
[QUOTE=vrej;51787759]I am not saying that, those terrorists went into peoples homes, of course the army has made accident fires sometimes, it's expected with hundreds of thousands of foreign terrorists hiding in a densely populated cities.[/QUOTE] That's not what I'm saying though, I'm say do you think Assad(or his army rather) hasn't killed a single Syrian during this entire conflict? Not by accident, killed.
[QUOTE=vrej;51787759] it's expected with hundreds of thousands of foreign terrorists hiding in a densely populated cities.[/QUOTE] Even the largest estimates I can find online about foreign fighters in Syria puts the number at around 40,000. Where are you getting your information?
[QUOTE=vrej;51787759]hundreds of thousands of foreign terrorists[/QUOTE] If that were the case, there would be no Syria left. Ease up on the exaggerations, please.
Wasn't it confirmed that Assad (or at least the Syrian government) [URL="http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/04/18/bashar-al-assads-war-crimes-exposed"]straight up ordered mass executions and torture?[/URL] I don't get how he'd be the lesser of any evil.
[QUOTE=PresidentDomo;51787779]Wasn't it confirmed that Assad (or at least the Syrian government) [URL="http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/04/18/bashar-al-assads-war-crimes-exposed"]straight up ordered mass executions and torture?[/URL] I don't get how he'd be the lesser of any evil.[/QUOTE] Because the other evil are groups like and including ISIS. The only mostly good group would be the SDF.
Can't condone mass murder but the rebels physically cannot win. Better to let the government re-establish control (either through diplomacy or through violence if we continue to fund the rebels) then let Assad slink away to Russia and let a less hated guy take the lead. Russia backed groups have said Assad has no future in Syria. Then Syria can rebuild refugees can go home (international observers in place to ensure mass killings do not happen) and IS can be defeated. The alternative is us continuing the fund the rebels and Russia, Iran, Iraq, Hezbollah and Syria continuing till they win - then the rebel groups will retreat into nearby countries causing unrest and will spend the next few decades bombing the shit outta people and spreading their poison. The defeated rebel groups, already [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Front_(Syria)"]many[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabhat_Fateh_al-Sham"]of[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suqour_al-Sham_Brigade"]them[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jund_al-Aqsa"]terrorists[/URL], will absorbed either into IS or into the next big Islamist terrorist group and the cycle will continue. If stability is the only choice on offer then you have to take it, even if you would have preferred "liberdy".
Syria is fucked regardless of who wins. The war has gone on for too long and at this point would require decades to return to a normal state. If government wins = ongoing insurgency + half the population is fighting, dead, or run away If government loses = war continues as rebel factions start fighting eachother more for power
[QUOTE=vrej;51787431]"A new report by the human rights group alleges that mass hangings took place every week at Saydnaya prison between September 2011 and December 2015." Here let me fix that for you BBC "A new report by the terrorist groups alleges that mass hangings took place every week at Saydnaya prison between September 2011 and December 2015."[/QUOTE] This person thinks Amnesty is a terrorist group
[QUOTE=vrej;51787431] Here let me fix that for you BBC "A new report by [B]the terrorist groups[/B] alleges that mass hangings took place every week at Saydnaya prison between September 2011 and December 2015." [/QUOTE] Ah yes Amnesty International the infamous terrorist group, I remember just the other day people shooting at police waving the AI flag and screaming "the right to life is sacred"
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51787286]And who do you think we should support, smart guy? Geopolitics isn't always good vs bad, sometimes you have to settle for the bad that will do the least damage.[/QUOTE] And sometimes you don't settle for the lesser evil because in reality it is not lesser just different. Humanitarianism is not focused on geopolitics, but the simple need to halt suffering and atrocity.
[QUOTE=vrej;51787718]This is not a civil war![/QUOTE] Sure, let's just ignore that it started with civilian protests against the government. Or that the FSA was formed by defectors from the Syrian Armed Forces. Or that they received continued support and grew because of repeated use of live fire against protestors in late 2011. Nope, not a civil war, they were all secretly foreign terrorists infiltrating the SAF and masquerading as protestors. [QUOTE=vrej;51787718]why is it so hard for you people to understand that we Syrians don't kill each other?! [/QUOTE] Because the very first protests ended with [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/middleeast/19syria.html]police shooting and killing protestors[/url]. Nope, definitely not intentional killing of Syrians, that can't possibly happen. And the only way I can possibly make sense of you calling Amnesty International 'terrorists' is that you must A. have no idea who they are and B. refuse to accept any fact that runs counter to your hilariously bullshit narrative that the Syrian government has done no wrong and all conflict is the result of evil foreigners and the West usurping Assad's perfect regime. C'mon, your turn, now you can bluster about how you're a Real Syrian™ and how I'm wrong because I'm misled by Western Media.
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