• 15 Year Old Boy Mugs Off Duty FBI-Agent, Gets Shot
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[url]http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/08/fbi_agent_shoots_15-year-old_r.html[/url] [QUOTE]CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio -- An off-duty FBI agent shot a 15-year-old boy accused of robbing him of his wallet and badge about 11:30 p.m. Monday in Cain Park. According to police Capt. Michael Cannon: The FBI agent from Chicago and a friend had been at a restaurant near Cain Park and were walking to the friend's house when two people walked up behind them. One of the robbers put a gun on the friend's head and said, "Don't turn around or I'll blow your head off." The other robber then took the agent's wallet, ID and badge. He did not find the agent's concealed gun. The two robbers ran off and the agent fired twice, striking the 15-year-old twice. Investigators found a gun near the boy --- a pellet gun. The boy was taken to Huron Hospital. He is recovering from non-lethal injuries, according to community activists who spent the morning with the family. The other suspect got away. The duo may face federal charges, Cannon said. "The investigation so far shows the use of deadly force was justifiable," Cannon said. He said he couldn't discuss further details, like the distance between the boy and the agent and what the boy was doing at the time the agent fired, this early in the investigation.[/QUOTE] [url]http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/08/police_say_fbi_agent_who_shot.html[/url] [QUOTE]CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio -- The shooting of a fleeing 15-year-old robbery suspect by an FBI agent late Monday was justifiable, authorities say, because the teen and his accomplice threatened to use a gun and posed a threat to the community. The teen was shot in the leg and back, his mother said, and a bullet remained lodged near his lung Tuesday evening. He remained in Huron Hospital and will require additional surgery. 99 3 82Share The boy was charged with aggravated robbery. It is The Plain Dealer's policy not to name juvenile suspects until their cases are moved to adult court. The FBI agent, Matthew Alcoke, lives and works in Chicago and was visiting a friend in Cleveland Heights. He will return to Illinois, an FBI spokesman said, but has cooperated with investigators. He is a 13-year veteran, spokesman Scott Wilson said. This is how the shooting occurred, according to Police Capt. Michael Cannon: Alcoke and his friend, who lives in Cleveland Heights, were walking in Cain Park about 11:30 p.m. after leaving a nearby restaurant. Two robbers walked up from behind and put a gun to the head of Alcoke's friend. "Don't turn around or I will blow your head off," one of the robbers said. They took Alcoke's wallet, ID and badge and began to run away. As they ran off, Alcoke took out a gun he had concealed on him and chased the suspects toward Superior Avenue. Alcoke fired two shots, both striking the 15-year-old Cleveland Heights boy. The other suspect got away. Police did not release a detailed description of the suspect but officers were searching for him. Officers recovered a pellet gun that resembled a .45-caliber handgun near the teen. Juvenile court records show the teen does not have a criminal record. His mother said in a telephone interview that she does not believe he was one of the robbers. She acknowledged he was in the park and he was with some friends, but she didn't know if they were involved in the crime. She said the police and FBI searched her home Tuesday and hadn't allowed her to see her son. "I'm not saying he is (completely) innocent," she said. "But I know guilty or not, I need to be there with him. I am his momma." But she also said that if her son was in anyway involved, he should be held accountable. Cannon said the preliminary investigation leads police to believe the shooting was justifiable. The Justice Department policy states federal officers can apply deadly force when they have the reasonable belief a suspect has inflicted or threatened injury to an officer or other people. If officers believe a fleeing suspect poses a danger, they have the discretion to use deadly force. Cleveland attorney Craig Bashein, who has litigated deadly force cases, said he believes the agent had the right to shoot. "Keep in mind the agent has a duty not to only protect himself, but the public," Bashein said. "The age of the suspect is not relevant when they are using a deadly weapon." Police would not say which restaurant the agent and his friend left before the robbery. But Bob Gould, general manager at the popular Melt Bar and Grill on Cedar Road not far from Cain Park, said the area is relatively safe and he believes the incident was isolated. He said they warn employees to be cautious whenever they leave the establishment at night. "You just have to be careful and not walk around in the park at night," he said. "It is fortunate they did this when an agent was around rather then local folks walking in the neighborhood[/QUOTE] Someone tell me why the police should have exclusive right to carrying weapons, and not Citizens, considering Police Officers are notorious for being bad shots.
Citizens are allowed to carry guns with the proper license, what are you talking about.
Well they stole his shit, and were mugging him. You have a right to defend yourself.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;24558608]Someone tell me why the police should have exclusive right to carrying weapons, and not Citizens, considering Police Officers are notorious for being bad shots.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States[/url]
This was an FBI agent, not a police officer who could just be some bitter prick not long out of high school.
That FBI agent is now on my list of heroes.
You would think if everyone read this, there would be a lot less muggings worldwide. You never do know who you're mugging. This is an exemplary case to set the example.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24558643]Well they stole his shit, and were mugging him. You have a right to defend yourself.[/QUOTE] Defend yourself or defend your material possessions? The suspects were fleeing.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;24558608] Someone tell me why the police should have exclusive right to carrying weapons, and not Citizens, considering Police Officers are notorious for being bad shots.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? 1) It was night, and hard to see. 2) The FBI agent had no way to tell who the robbers were, or how old they were. It's also safe to assume that the agent and the friend were not allowed to turn around during the confrontation. 3) It was a fair shot. They were threatened with a (fake) gun. Honestly, what would you do if you were the agent? You can't run after the robbers, as you would be shot as the supposedly-real gun. Plus, the agent made sure to place a none-lethal shot.
I'm finding this article oddly hilarious.
Oh, wow. OP isn't very smart.
i hope he yoinked that wallet back up after that kid dropped it
Whether or not it was a pellet gun, the officer had the right to shoot him, as he thought it was a real gun. He and his friend were supposedly threatened with death. He had the right to kill the boy. I'm sure some stupid people will disagree, though.
That'll teach him
What happened to shooting in legs or shoulders?
At least the mother realizes her son did something stupid, and isn't flipping out on the agent.
[QUOTE=aydin690;24558758]What happened to shooting in legs or shoulders?[/QUOTE] [quote=The damn article]The teen was shot in the leg and back, his mother said[/quote]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;24558608][url]http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/08/fbi_agent_shoots_15-year-old_r.html[/url] [url]http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/08/police_say_fbi_agent_who_shot.html[/url] Someone tell me why the police should have exclusive right to carrying weapons, and not Citizens, considering Police Officers are notorious for being bad shots.[/QUOTE] Seriously? I mean really do you even need to ask that? An Officer without a gun is just as useful as a mall cop. They can't do anything about even knife or blunt object wielding criminals.
[QUOTE=aydin690;24558758]What happened to shooting in legs or shoulders?[/QUOTE] Shot in leg and back, read the article.
"non-lethal injuries" I don't think he's a bad shot. He fired two shots and both were non-lethal. The agent probably just put a bullet in each ass cheek. Edit: Woops, leg and back. See, I bet he aimed there on purpose.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;24558639]Citizens are allowed to carry guns with the proper license, what are you talking about.[/QUOTE] The European mindset only the police and military should have the monopoly on firearms
[QUOTE=Broseph_;24558608] Someone tell me why the police should have exclusive right to carrying weapons, and not Citizens, [b]considering Police Officers are notorious for being bad shots.[/b][/QUOTE] What. Okay. Uhhm 1.See if you do any better in those situations. 2.Two shots, two hits on a moving target. One on the leg another in the back. That's pretty damn good shooting what are you talking about. 3. I know Chicago is ridiculously anal when it comes to hand guns and I wouldn't be surprised if Concealed Carry hasn't gotten there yet. 4. Kid shouldn't have been a dumbass to do something like that to begin with.
[QUOTE=aydin690;24558758]What happened to shooting in legs or shoulders?[/QUOTE] He did shoot in non-lethal spots, don't worry. My mom, however, told me that if I am ever threatened, that I should shoot to kill, even if I don't know that he has a gun(IE: a robber in my house). I've always wanted to just shoot them in the leg to get them down, and just have them put in jail. I guess that's not how it works, though. :smith:
[QUOTE=toastedspyro;24558823]"non-lethal injuries" I don't think he's a bad shot. He fired two shots and both were non-lethal. The agent probably just put a bullet in each ass cheek. Edit: Woops, leg and back. See, I bet he aimed there on purpose.[/QUOTE] Yeah he probably just dimpled his cheeks.
Incoming "Police Brutality ! Fuck da police."
[QUOTE=aydin690;24558758]What happened to shooting in legs or shoulders?[/QUOTE] Ambulance Chasing Lawyers, remember a corpse can't sue you
[QUOTE=Broseph_;24558838]The European mindset only the police and military should have the monopoly on firearms[/QUOTE] have you ever made a post rooted in fact or is it all assumption and fantasy?
Seems a little trigger happy. The suspect was fleeing and no longer posed an imminent threat. The FBI agent CHASED him and then shot him in the back. The better solution would have been to just call the police. I wouldn't support pressing charges against him, but I think he could have handled the situation better.
[QUOTE=JDK721v3;24558909]Seems a little trigger happy. The suspect was fleeing and no longer posed an imminent threat. The FBI agent CHASED him and then shot him in the back. The better solution would have been to call the police. As a DA, I doubt I would charge him with anything, but I think he could have handled the situation better.[/QUOTE] He may have posed no immediate threat to the agent himself, but there is an armed gunman running around.
snip i so dumb
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