I live in the United States and for almost all of my life I've seen planes flying, and the wakes they leave. It was only till recently that I learned the difference between a jet's contrail, and what these jets I've seen were leaving.
[img]http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/chemtrail.jpg[/img]
On the 22nd for example, I noticed about 5 jets. 3 going in pattern together, and two more crossing their chemtrails to create what basically looks like this. Now my only base question is what in the fuck are they doing this for? Because whenever I google chemtrail I just get conspiracy theory bullshit, but it's also the only news on the subject since no one likes talking about it.
I think someone is [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-tinfoil.gif[/img]
In reality I doubt they would be doing anything like that.
Most likely still normal jet contrails. You have to consider that there are hundreds of different airplane models and probably the same amount of engine models. The shape of the contrail doesn't have to be the same.
Also, if they were spraying something I think media would actually react.
"No one likes talking about it" since they are afraid of FBI knocking their doors down.
Or they really don't care.
Maybe they are trying to signal aliens with that thing? Or they just fly around.
If they were spraying chemicals at that altitude, with the small amount of storage space available in a plane, it'd be like putting drops of cyanide into the ocean to try to kill some people. The dispersion of a chemical would be so great that they would need to have thousands of planes flying around constantly over a small area just to get sufficient chemicals down to the ground.
It's just contrails.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;33432296]Most likely still normal jet contrails. You have to consider that there are hundreds of different airplane models and probably the same amount of engine models. The shape of the contrail doesn't have to be the same.
Also, if they were spraying something I think media would actually react.[/QUOTE]
Now to start off again.
I know the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail. The contrail disappears after two minutes, whereas the chemtrail dissipates over a much longer time. I live near the 29 Palms Marine Corps Air Ground Command Center, which is a possible military reason for the chemtrail spraying, but if that was also true I wonder why they were spraying over mountains and the towns of Yucca Valley, Joshua Tree, 29 Palms, and Landers.
I've never also gotten a straight answer about them. My father said "They do that to help map the earth" which sounds stupid because of our brilliant electronic prowess, I doubt out satellites need jet help with mapping when they have such advanced detection and imagery systems.
And in seriousness no one is talking about this issue other than conspiracy theorists which is horrible, because I literally notice these things every day. I've yet to see on any media here about why they're spraying.
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[QUOTE=Saber15;33432369]If they were spraying chemicals at that altitude, with the small amount of storage space available in a plane, it'd be like putting drops of cyanide into the ocean to try to kill some people. The dispersion of a chemical would be so great that they would need to have thousands of planes flying around constantly over a small area just to get sufficient chemicals down to the ground.
It's just contrails.[/QUOTE]
Again, living next to a Marine Corps base proves this statement otherwise. I've seen AC-130's flying and leaving both con and chem trails. There is an obvious difference. Fuck I wish I had a camera.
What makes you think they're spraying things on you?
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Again, living next to a Marine Corps base proves this statement otherwise. I've seen AC-130's flying and leaving both con and chem trails.[/QUOTE]
How do you tell the difference between a plain contrail and a chemical trail? It could be that the engines are malfunctioning and allowing oil or jet fuel to escape, unburned - I don't know the nuances of jet turbines, so I'm not sure if that's even possible. :v:
[QUOTE=Jookia;33432463]What makes you think they're spraying things on you?[/QUOTE]
Well to be honest. I don't know. But the wakes these planes leave do not readily disappear. They dissipate over a large area over a large amount of time.
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[QUOTE=Saber15;33432464]How do you tell the difference between a plain contrail and a chemical trail? It could be that the engines are malfunctioning and allowing oil or jet fuel to escape, unburned - I don't know the nuances of jet turbines, so I'm not sure if that's even possible. :v:[/QUOTE]
I can tell the difference between the two because a contrail is more the actual wingspan of the jet, whereas chemtrails are wider than the wingspan of the jet. Whenever I notice a jet flying and leaving a predominant trail, there's always another. Usually about 3 to 6 at any time.
My friend is convinced they are spraying chemicals into our body to control to population. He believes anything. He smokes pot a lot.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;33432549]My friend is convinced they are spraying chemicals into our body to control to population. He believes anything. He smokes pot a lot.[/QUOTE]
That is one theory I've heard on this, but there are so many that I just try to focus on the whole "Why" part of this. Why are they spraying anything?
I also love cannabis.
bro it's water vapor condensed by the pressure zones the aircraft creates as it travels at that altitude, they're just like clouds
[QUOTE=Jookia;33432463]What makes you think they're spraying things on you?[/QUOTE]
Because that's exactly what they WANT you to think! It's probably nothing, though.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;33432591]bro it's water vapor condensed by the pressure zones the aircraft creates as it travels at that altitude, they're just like clouds[/QUOTE]
Plausible. But I honestly doubt there is that much water vapor out here in the Mojave. I honestly do not know the distribution of water vapor in the atmosphere in ratio to location.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;33432616]Plausible. But I honestly doubt there is that much water vapor out here in the Mojave. I honestly do not know the distribution of water vapor in the atmosphere in ratio to location.[/QUOTE]
the upper atmosphere (where these trails form) is largely loose water vapor. the winds up there are higher than anywhere nearer to the surface, so particles in the upper atmosphere get pulled around the world. the distribution is pretty even.
patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;33432494]Well to be honest. I don't know. But the wakes these planes leave do not readily disappear. They dissipate over a large area over a large amount of time.
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Contrails normaly tend to last longer if there is higher moisture in the atmosphere.
Also, high-altitude windshear can spread them over massive areas, and even if it's calm on the ground, It may be very windy above.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;33432755]the upper atmosphere (where these trails form) is largely loose water vapor. the winds up there are higher than anywhere nearer to the surface, so particles in the upper atmosphere get pulled around the world. the distribution is pretty even.
patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.[/QUOTE]
God I wanted to physically punch every NCR soldier that said that in FNV, it got kind of annoying, just like the GET OUT OF HER STALKER and COME IN, DON'T JUST STAND THERE guys from SHOC.
Now my question. If the distribution of water vapor is pretty much the same at the same altitudes around the earth, then how come I've seen jets on different days at the same altitudes with differing contrails, with contrails that dissipate after 2 minutes, and the ones that form these "clouds"?
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;33432432]Now to start off again.
I know the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail. The contrail disappears after two minutes, whereas the chemtrail dissipates over a much longer time.
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And how does that make you able to deduct what's contrail and what is chemtrail?
Are you an aircraft engineer? A meteorologist?
The whole phrase "chemtrail" are made up by conspiracy theorists. There is ZERO evidence that backs up chemtrails.
pretty much the same was sort of an exaggeration; the winds throw shit around crazily up there. as for different altitudes, "the upper atmosphere" where these aircraft fly and produce contrails like this constitutes an area of immense volume (i don't know the actual numbers off the top of my head, but it's very very tall). the further they want to go, the higher they fly (saves fuel) and depending on the conditions in the atmosphere the denser their contrail will be. they get wide because they dissipate over time (so the wider the trail the longer it's been there until the winds rip it apart, which you can see sometimes)
You seem to draw your knowledge from what you're observing. You have conducted no scientific evidence that supports they are what the conspiracy theorists call "chemtrail" and you can't back yourself with facts because they all come from conspiracy nuts.
I can't even see what there is to debate.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;33432943]You seem to draw your knowledge from what you're observing. You have conducted no scientific evidence that supports they are what the conspiracy theorists call "chemtrail" and you can't back yourself with facts because they all come from conspiracy nuts.
I can't even see what there is to debate.[/QUOTE]
he's here because he wants to know why it actually happens and what it is. doesn't really belong in debate, but it's a valid question. ease off a bit.
I don't think it's feasible to dump chemicals like that in what would be surely the most inefficient way imaginable.
First off the amount of fuel you need to carry a substance in a distributable liquid form is staggering, especially compared to the amount of return you get. Imagine a jet, lumbering into the air under the immense weight of a dense liquid in a tank that should surely fill the aircraft to capacity. Then, like you say, there's five or six more of them. And their cargo dumps are almost completely innefectual due to the immense surface area over which they're being spread. Who the hell pays for all that? What kind of idiot organizes it?
The return I mentioned is the actual level of distributed chemical in the local environment, and it won't be very high at all because there's just so little of it compared to the area over which it is spread. The metaphor someone mentioned earlier about putting a couple drops of cyanide into the ocean is dead on.
If you really wanted to distribute some chemical agent to the population, you'd use water treatment plants. Airdropping it would net you probably .05% of the distribution goal for at least 100x the price of deploying it via a water treatment facility.
Basically I'm saying this doesn't sound stupid because I think nobody would want to covertly distribute some chemical agent to the population, I'm saying it sounds stupid because if someone were to do that, there are a million better, cheaper, more efficient ways of doing so.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;33432871]And how does that make you able to deduct what's contrail and what is chemtrail?
Are you an aircraft engineer? A meteorologist?
The whole phrase "chemtrail" are made up by conspiracy theorists. There is ZERO evidence that backs up chemtrails.[/QUOTE]
Now now. Calm down a bit. I never said I absolutely knew, I said I noticed a varied difference between contrails of planes on differing dates, some of which become these clouds and some of which that just disappear.
I'm not an aircraft engineer, nor a meteorologist. Neither are you, with your earlier deduction that these jets I see could be many differing models with many differing models of jet turbines, yet the only jets I've seen and noticed with these features are military jets, specifically big bombers, and their equipped turbines are usually military standard issue, so not only are they not differing models of jets, they're not differing models of jet turbines.
Now I also used the term chemtrail because it readily points out the difference between a normal contrail and these clouds that jets leave a times. I was merely asking the people of FP their opinions on this phenomenon.
I used to think it was just contrails until I grew a second penis.
Here's a pdf file regarding contrails by the US Air Force.
[url]http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-051013-001.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;33432991]Now now. Calm down a bit. I never said I absolutely knew, I said I noticed a varied difference between contrails of planes on differing dates, some of which become these clouds and some of which that just disappear.
I'm not an aircraft engineer, nor a meteorologist. Neither are you, with your earlier deduction that these jets I see could be many differing models with many differing models of jet turbines, yet the only jets I've seen and noticed with these features are military jets, specifically big bombers, and their equipped turbines are usually military standard issue, so not only are they not differing models of jets, they're not differing models of jet turbines.
Now I also used the term chemtrail because it readily points out the difference between a normal contrail and these clouds that jets leave a times. I was merely asking the people of FP their opinions on this phenomenon.[/QUOTE]
i doubt you can tell the difference between the various aircraft at the altitudes these contrails form at, since they tend to look like dots with wings, however for the record it does in fact occur with civilian aircraft of all sizes and purposes at that altitude (though only commercial jets fly at that altitude; need FAA clearance to fly over a certain level). helicopters can also create similar trails, though at lower altitudes.
the pressure zones coming off the tips of the blades form vortexes in which water vapor is compressed and condensed into tangible clouds, you can observe this on a warm, humid day fairly clearly.
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Now I also used the term chemtrail because it readily points out the difference between a normal contrail and these clouds that jets leave a times. I was merely asking the people of FP their opinions on this phenomenon.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=teh pirate;33432963]he's here because he wants to know why it actually happens and what it is. doesn't really belong in debate, but it's a valid question. ease off a bit.[/QUOTE]
Then this is the wrong section to talk about this. I suggest you both to read the rules.
Fast threads or General discussion. Where do you want it purvisdavid?
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And I apologize if I seemed to sound like an asshole. That's how I tend to type sometimes :v:
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;33432222]
[img]http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/chemtrail.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Those are called chem trails.
They are used to dictate the weather, much like the koreans use artillery shells.
The most they are good for is stuff like bringing in a cold front or adding precipitation.
Some speculate that chem trails could be partially at fault for the increasing statistic of cancer or asthma.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;33433076]Then this is the wrong section to talk about this. I suggest you both to read the rules.
Fast threads or General discussion. Where do you want it purvisdavid?
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And I apologize if I seemed to sound like an asshole. That's how I tend to type sometimes :v:[/QUOTE]
To be honest I'd like it to stay here, because it honestly doesn't feel like fast thread of general discussion material. And I know how you pointed out that I have neither photographic or scientific proof on my part, but then again there is not much on this subject at all.
In all honesty, you'd ask questions about things like this if you were to see jets in unison leaving trails as if they purposely did it in a pattern. I noticed this on the 22nd as I previously said in my OP.
I still don't know where this should go. Fuckfuckfuck.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;33432432]I know the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail.[/QUOTE]
The difference between a contrail and a chemtrail is that contrails exist.
You mentioned whenever you google chemtrails all you get is conspiracy theory bullshit, but that's because literally everything about chemtrails is conspiracy theory bullshit.
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