Protest at dam turns sour as protesters throw explosives at police until a student gets killed by a - Polidicks

[quote="The Guardian"]French Socialist government leaders and Green deputies are at odds after the death of a protester during clashes with paramilitary police at the site of a controversial dam project in south-west France. Rémi Fraisse, a 21-year-old student, died instantly on Saturday night after being hit in the back by a grenade, according to the results of an autopsy. However, the conclusions of further analyses, which should indicate whether the weapon was fired by gendarmes or by protesters, are not expected until later on Tuesday. Protesters opposed to the Sivens dam project in the Tarn region say it will destroy a reservoir of biodiversity and will benefit only a small number of farmers. Those promoting the project say the dam is in the public interest as it will ensure irrigation and the development of high-value crops.[/quote] [quote="Daily Mail"]A police grenade was today blamed for the death of a young French eco-protester as fellow activists said Francois Hollande's government has blood on its hands. Remi Fraisse, 21, died early on Sunday morning during a fight with riot officers as he campaigned against the building of the Sivens Dam in the south west Tarn region of France. Seven police officers were injured after around 2,000 people gathered to protest, with some throwing Molotov Cocktails. Read more: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2810977/French-eco-protester-killed-police-GRENADE-protest-against-dam-government-accused-having-blood-hands.html#ixzz3HZWLHWCc[/url] Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook[/quote] Sources [url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/28/french-socialists-greens-sivens-dam-protestor-remi-fraisse-grenade-autopsy]The Guardian[/url] [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2810977/French-eco-protester-killed-police-GRENADE-protest-against-dam-government-accused-having-blood-hands.html]Daily Mail[/url] Basically, bunch of douchebag environmentalists decide to occupy a construction site, chug molotovs at the police, and cry when the police responds with grenades. Bunch of cunts.

police should've used tasers

Molotovs don't hurt pigs, though! *sigh* Police State: Worldwide tour I see.

[QUOTE=Pyroknight;46362015]police should've used tasers[/QUOTE] [sp] Should have just shot the grenade in the knee [/sp] Seriously though, why would you even throw explosives at police, they are just people doing their job, "lets try kill or maim people so they don't blow up our dam, that's obviously more important" fucking retards

none of them cared about injuring seven policemen though, idiots how dare they do something about being lit on fire

People won't stop accusing officers of brutality until the cops just assume a fetal position and cry whenever they're ordered to do their jobs.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;46362038]Molotovs don't hurt pigs, though! *sigh* Police State: Worldwide tour I see.[/QUOTE] Who was it that said that again, fucking hilarious.

[QUOTE=Crimor;46362148]Who was it that said that again, fucking hilarious.[/QUOTE] yawmwen iirc

[QUOTE=Crimor;46362148]Who was it that said that again, fucking hilarious.[/QUOTE] Yawmen im sure. Actually more than sure.

Why uncertain origin ? Regardless, the use of grenades by police just got suspended by the politics. This is turning into a media clusterfuck here in France, " public opinion shocked police kill hippie with deadly millitary explosive tnt weapon " and all that. He took the risk, he (sadly) loss. When you stay in the middle of a forest where grenades and molotovs are flying all over the place, you know what to expect.

[QUOTE=Tacooo;46362071][sp] Should have just shot the grenade in the knee [/sp] Seriously though, why would you even throw explosives at police, they are just people doing their job, "lets try kill or maim people so they don't blow up our dam, that's obviously more important" fucking retards[/QUOTE] Actually the protesters were the ones trying to stop the dam construction, not the way around. Nice reading :v:

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46362208]Actually the protesters were the ones trying to stop the dam construction, not the way around. Nice reading :v:[/QUOTE] That would make more sense, still applies though

[QUOTE=426_Hemi;46362168]Why uncertain origin ? Regardless, the use of grenades by police just got suspended by the politics. This is turning into a media clusterfuck here in France, " public opinion shocked police kill hippie with deadly millitary explosive tnt weapon " and all that. He took the risk, he (sadly) loss. When you stay in the middle of a forest where grenades and molotovs are flying all over the place, you know what to expect.[/QUOTE] As far as I know it's not been confirmed that the explosive was thrown by the police, at least that's what every news source I've found said. The ones that claim it WAS confirmed to be from the police either mistranslated their own French sources or were trying to be sensationalist. It's very likely a police grenade thrown after the molotovs started raining, and if that's the case then there's going to be an investigation to find out whether or not that was allowed. Little shits got what was coming to them though, you just don't throw explosives at the police and expect things to go smooth. There's a video of the incident somewhere, I just couldn't find it. It's hilarious how most of the protesters are either barefooted white douchebags with dreadlocks or edgy little shits like this guy [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/28/1414499074431_Image_galleryImage_Mandatory_Credit_Photo_by.JPG[/img] Or just [url=http://m.lesechos.fr/images/2014/10/27/436377_0203890752637_web_tete.jpg]cringeworthy people[/url].

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46362259]As far as I know it's not been confirmed that the explosive was thrown by the police, at least that's what every news source I've found said. The ones that claim it WAS confirmed to be from the police either mistranslated their own French sources or were trying to be sensationalist. It's very likely a police grenade thrown after the molotovs started raining, and if that's the case then there's going to be an investigation to find out whether or not that was allowed. Little shits got what was coming to them though, you just don't throw explosives at the police and expect things to go smooth. There's a video of the incident somewhere, I just couldn't find it. It's hilarious how most of the protesters are either barefooted white douchebags with dreadlocks or edgy little shits like this guy [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/28/1414499074431_Image_galleryImage_Mandatory_Credit_Photo_by.JPG[/img] Or just [url=http://m.lesechos.fr/images/2014/10/27/436377_0203890752637_web_tete.jpg]cringeworthy people[/url].[/QUOTE] uh [quote=Le Monde]Depuis l’annonce, mardi 28 octobre, par le procureur de la République d’Albi que des traces de TNT avaient été retrouvées sur des vêtements de Rémi Fraisse, l’enquête sur les conditions de la mort du manifestant, dans la nuit de samedi à dimanche près du barrage de Sivens, s’oriente du côté des grenades explosives utilisées par les gendarmes. Le TNT figure en effet « dans la composition des charges des grenades lacrymogènes ou offensives utilisées par les gendarmes » , a précisé le procureur.[/quote] [editline]29th October 2014[/editline] actually nvm that's basically what you said

When you're throwing molotovs, rocks and whatnot, you're legitimately trying to kill or seriously hurt someone. If this was a situation with a single police man against a single guy with a molotov, the guy with the molotov would get shot on the spot. The police of course can't shoot indiscriminately at a group (and they most definitely shouldn't), but it's no surprise that there are fatalities in these clashes, and honestly I don't think you can blame the police too much. The demonstrators were definitely beyond what constitutes a peaceful protest.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46363541]When you're throwing molotovs, rocks and whatnot, you're legitimately trying to kill or seriously hurt someone. If this was a situation with a single police man against a single guy with a molotov, the guy with the molotov would get shot on the spot. The police of course can't shoot indiscriminately at a group (and they most definitely shouldn't), but it's no surprise that there are fatalities in these clashes, and honestly I don't think you can blame the police too much. The demonstrators were definitely beyond what constitutes a peaceful protest.[/QUOTE] By the way, in case that wasn't clear, the gendarmes aren't just police, they're the army, which is something a lot of protesters (especially the dumb violent ones) seem to forget. These people are trained to keep your ass in line and they're armed. If you manage to somehow stir enough shit that the CRS (the riot department of the gendarmes) has to respond with fucking grenades, you know you've fucked up your protest.

What bothers me is that so many people are gonna use this to facilitate the 'police brutality' bandwagon even further, regardless of the origins of the grenade.

[QUOTE=Chief Martini;46363959]What bothers me is that so many people are gonna use this to facilitate the 'police brutality' bandwagon even further, regardless of the origins of the grenade.[/QUOTE] According the the guardian comments (take them as you will) the thing which killed him was a stun grenade exploding at close proximity.

being a cop isn't a job. it's a full-time career as a class traitor.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46367035]being a cop isn't a job. it's a full-time career as a class traitor.[/QUOTE] You're on a full time job shitposting, that's for sure. I think you'll learn to appreciate the police force when you get robbed or whatever.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46367088]You're on a full time job shitposting, that's for sure. I think you'll learn to appreciate the police force when you get robbed or whatever.[/QUOTE] And you're a newfag. I didn't say that shit, its a quote from this guy: [quote=yawmwen]being a cop isn't a job. it's a full-time career as class traitor.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46367091]And you're a newfag. I didn't say that shit, its a quote from this guy:[/QUOTE] "newfag" seriously? who uses that word non ironically. :v:

[QUOTE=Skipcast;46367104]"newfag" seriously? who uses that word non ironically. :v:[/QUOTE] Exactly

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46367091]And you're a newfag. I didn't say that shit, its a quote from this guy:[/QUOTE] What is this, 4chan? Some people have other shit to do too, so how about you just quote your shit right. Can anyone elaborate further on why exactly the people are protesting? I read something about preserving a nature reserve but I couldn't find a whole lot about it.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46367005]According the the guardian comments (take them as you will) the thing which killed him was a stun grenade exploding at close proximity.[/QUOTE] They found traces of TNT on the body so it wasn't a stun grenade. [editline]30th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MyAlt91;46367226]Can anyone elaborate further on why exactly the people are protesting? I read something about preserving a nature reserve but I couldn't find a whole lot about it.[/QUOTE] Environmentalists are getting pissy about trees being cut off to create a dam. There's no official nature reserves around there or anything, they're just mad because trees are getting cut down.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46367262]They found traces of TNT on the body so it wasn't a stun grenade. [editline]30th October 2014[/editline] Environmentalists are getting pissy about trees being cut off to create a dam. There's no official nature reserves around there or anything, they're just mad because trees are getting cut down.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the info on the TNT, that might be the protesters being idiots. As for the dam thing it would be more than cutting down trees. Making dams requires you to flood a load of land, often destroying loads of ecosystem which is a more legitimate cause than a few trees being cut down.

Thanks, just found this: [URL="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/france-young-environmental-activist-remi-fraisse-killed-during-protest-against-controversial-1471992"]The Tarn council states that the dam would supply much-needed irrigation to surrounding farms, but activists argue it would kill off wildlife, including 94 protected species that reside in the forest.[/URL] It'd help if the "Rural, family farms" in France would stop farming oldschool and start using more greenhouses. They actually recycle a lot of the water in greenhouses, so not only do you need less water, you're also keeping all the nutrition out of the groundwater, and in the cycle. Plus Europe wouldn't have to pay such amounts of subsidies for them :shakefist:

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46367091]And you're a newfag. I didn't say that shit, its a quote from this guy:[/QUOTE] Fair enough - you don't have to be that old to remember him, and he's probably the reason why I took your post seriously in the first place.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46367091]And you're a newfag. I didn't say that shit, its a quote from this guy:[/QUOTE] That was literally a few months ago, remembering that moron doesn't make you special and not knowing who he was is to be expected because other than his spiral into lunacy he wasn't special. Not like a former mod or something.

[QUOTE=MyAlt91;46367364]Thanks, just found this: [URL="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/france-young-environmental-activist-remi-fraisse-killed-during-protest-against-controversial-1471992"]The Tarn council states that the dam would supply much-needed irrigation to surrounding farms, but activists argue it would kill off wildlife, including 94 protected species that reside in the forest.[/URL] It'd help if the "Rural, family farms" in France would stop farming oldschool and start using more greenhouses. They actually recycle a lot of the water in greenhouses, so not only do you need less water, you're also keeping all the nutrition out of the groundwater, and in the cycle. Plus Europe wouldn't have to pay such amounts of subsidies for them :shakefist:[/QUOTE] Every time I've seen a local farmer use Greenhouses they ended up getting obliterated during fall or winter. We don't get rain consistently and typically there's a small part of the year where everything gets flooded and the wind picks up to absurd speeds, and greenhouses usually get annihilated whenever this happens. [editline]30th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=N-12_Aden;46367691]That was literally a few months ago, remebering that moron doesn't make you special and not knowing who he was is to be expected because other than his spiral into lunacy he wasn't special. Not like a former mod or something.[/QUOTE] What ? The guy died like five days ago.